Author Topic: HIGH CAPACITY (Read 1929 times)

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:37:16 AM »

Wow. Two lengthy resonses. You both took time to try and explain the matter to me. I appreciate the effort, but it looks like we should agree to disagree. We are not about to convince each other. I'll step away from this one.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:42:31 AM »

Mike don't play politics play the devils advocate call the mags with lower round count low capacity mags

and all others standard.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2012, 04:47:59 AM »

Amen SharonAnne, preach on. Mike, we are not argueing about terms so much as to find a way to talk to liberals in their types of terms. They use terms irrationally. Liberals are very emotional people. Bleeding heart ivory tower types like my professor inlaws, to the poor who listen to them. They use terms like "undocumented workers" instead of illegal aliens. They use terms like "revenue enhancements" vs tax increases which is what it is. They use terms like stimulus vs throwing money at the problem hoping it goes away. They use terms like "investment in our economy" vs lets tax and spend money where we think it should go, and redistribute the wealth on OUR projects.

We have got to start changing terms. I like the idea of standard capacity and low capacity magazines. Forget high capacity all together in our talking terms. Liberals don't know the difference anyway. It is not whether high capacity is right or not terminology, it is what we need to tell libs and news media.

We have got to start fighting back on EVERY conservative issue, otherwise they will run roughshod over ALL conservative values. For instance, conservatives value life and think abortions should be strickly limited. There are so many ways not to get pg today, abortion is a stupid solution anyway. There are pills, condoms, iuds, diaphrams, and abstinance (dicipline).

We value our belief in God, whether protestant, Catholic, Jew or otherwise. We have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. The majority is/was supposed to rule in America, but we have allowed minorities like atheists, blacks, hispanics, and Muslims to use our laws against the majority and/or exploit the system. Atheists want to eliminate God from everything, including why the Pilgrams and Puritans came to America. Blacks want to keep using the poor me and I don't have a chance to make it in the white mans world constantly whether true or not, and it is more not true today than ever. Hispanics want to cross the border illegaly and not come to America legal. Muslims have taken over Dearborn, Michigan (I lived there as a child) and have loudspeakers declaring when it is time to pray and it annoys some who still live there. Only a mater of time till they have sheria (sp?) law there if not already.

People who once came to America became Americans. Italians, Greeks, Jews, Irish, Germans, and English. All adapted the customs, politics, and hopes of Americans. Some refused to let their kids speak their home tongue and made them speak English to adapt.

We have got to fight in every area to keep our values, strengths, and beliefs. Liberals, socialists, communists will run roughshod over us if we don't.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2012, 07:18:39 AM »

lets cut the bs we are trying to stop the spin the gun grabbers put on every gun related thought.
BTW true after market mags like the one used at the theater or wwhen the senator got shot did not work very well . Had the guy in either case had standard mags first they most likely would have worked and second had little to grab and hold on to. It would seem the grabbers would demand the use of the after market mags

SharonAnne · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:31:35 AM »

When it comes to Negros, (they are not black, they are darker brown), truly they should be thankful for slavery. If it were not for slavery, which was born in Africa and is rampant there today, they would still be living in Africa. Mud and straw huts, ethnic cleansing, tribal warfare, arms, noses, ears and lips being cut off. Violence in the USA is a walk in the park compared to Africa.

Todays Negro was not a slave. His/Her parents, grandparents and great grandparents were not slaves. No Caucasian today has ever owned slaves. Neither did our parents, grandparents or great grandparents. Perhaps a couple of generations further.

My ancestors were Irish potato farmers. They went to Canada as indentured servants. That is when someone owns a contract for your services and you must buy the contract from them to gain your freedom. Sound familiar? Slavery by a different name. Only you could buy your freedom and Negros were not allowed to.

I am an immigrant. I came here from Canada when I married. I went through all the immigration procedures. I sat in the immigration office in Detroit and I had the only 'white' face in the waiting room. But I did it LEGALLY. I have no use for or sympathy with those who come illegally. If you do not come in on a fiance' visa and get married then you should have to show you have something to contribute to the country. You should have a needed skill or show that you have sufficient resources so that you are not a drain on the country, as all the illegals do. The obamanation has encouraged illegals to apply for 'entitlements'. Entitlements, another way of saying resource redistribution. The folks who are doing this need to remember what Margaret Thacher said about socialism. Eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend. We are dangerously close to that today.

Mike in Virginia, we can agree to disagree, but please remember which side of this fight you are on. You are a Patriot, I can tell. Please, walk the walk and talk the talk. When you use terms like 'high capacity' you are literally giving aid and comfort to the enemy and I know that is not your intention.

God Bless America

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:45:55 AM »

I had the chance to work with two brothers who came from Africa . They were true African Americans as they also did it legal. I can tell you they believed in America and had a deep hate for Africa as it was the clensing that took their father and other family members. They lived thinking their mother had also been killed but found out later she was alive and visited her . I have had a chance to also work with a guy from Hong Kong who also did it legal and also loves America. When China took over he was on a list of those that were not desired , he was a chemical engineer with western connections. There have been others.
As for sympathy , how many white parents are glad that Canada and other places had sympathy for their draft doging kids during the VN war ? People who leave their home for a better life or avoiding getting killed are no worst than those who came to the USA back in the day. Its is our fault we don't control our borders and have laws to insure who comes in will be assets not burdens.
Don't blame people when they become political pawns .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:47:10 AM »

And make no mistake the borders should be closed . I'm not for what is going on . I just want justice not picking a scape goat.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #37 on:** December 10, 2012, 11:37:29 AM »

what a joke we have federal department called Homeland Security and they can't stop over one million illegals from crossing our southern border every year. Homeland Security aka Gestapo. I am just waiting for the brown shirts and jack boots.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2012, 11:55:16 AM »

Yep, and now the Energy department secretary told Obama back in November that anyone with a 22 rifle can shoot transformers on poles at 200 yards and blow them causing widespread power outages. Hmm. Trying to sneak gun OR ammo control in. First most good ole boys can't hit a transformer with a 22 at 200 yards, and second by the time it gets there it has lost so much energy it might not penetrate the outer casing, just dent it. However, they just gave out information to real potential terroists who could drive by and shoot out transformers. Really smart. I've never thought of that. It would however take a larger caliber rifle to probably penetrate and do damage. (Notice I didn't use high powered rifle).

Mikey · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2012, 12:40:34 PM »

Brown shirts make goood targets.

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:28:21 PM »

Dixie, there's another term we needn't fear. "High powered rifle." It's okay to say that. I have one of those. It's an M1A, "high powered" and "high capacity." It's pre-ban "assault rifle," and will accept (dare I say it?) a bayonet. Good grief, lets not let the liberals hear us say "assault rifle." What a horrible term. ASSAULT RIFLE! That's what it is regardless of who termed it so. It is used for assault. It's father, the M14, was made to be used in assaults. It is an offensive weapon, intended to kill and offend. I wish I could shut up about this, but I cannot and won't. I would like for the Democrats to know I have high capacity assault weapons and that more Americans possess such weapons than they can deal with. I'm afraid the day is fast approaching that our standard capacity defensive weapons will be needed in another way. The sissy term "defensive" will turn to "offensive" all the more quickly if we bow to what the idiots of this nation want. Make no mistake. Those people are many. They are more than us in number. It's a very real threat to the current laws that let us have our guns. I believe that we willkeep our rights longer if we take a firm stand and say whatever the hell needs to be said. We will never convince the growing population of liberals that the 2nd Amendment means what it says. They will not change. They will feed on our weakness. We cannot stop an individual from becoming a liberal by giving him what he wants to hear. He will still become a liberal. You know what? Even after this nation fails, the liberals still won't understand it was their fault. They will blame conservatives, or simply fade away in confusion. They cannot be stopped. Keep your firearms close. Keep them no matter what. Don't play at such a serious matter. Don't be weak and fight with liberals about terminology. The stupid people who take the wrong side on gun rights, will take that side regardless of what it's called. Stand up and demand freedom. Those who need the accepted terminology to decide where they stand are stupid indeed. They are no help to us. They will vote Democrat no matter what. Idiots all. Those we can pacify with weak phrases are the very same idiots who will vote Democrat anyway.

Mikey · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2012, 03:12:54 PM »

Folks, I love this sort of banter. It is good for the brain and always lets us know that we can agree to disagree but this has gone far enough off topic and far enough away from the core of topics this forum addresses for me to ask you all that we put this one to bed.

We have all agreed to the necessity of standing firm in the face of adversity, from whichever side it comes and there is where we should all stand.

If push comes to shove in this great nation of ours I would expect all of you, all of us, to stand together and to fight together if the need be.

We can argue amongst us all we want but if it comes to a fight, young or old, man or woman, I expect us all to fight as one, and therein is our strength. With this we cannot fail, and we will not. I am proud of you all.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2012, 03:13:03 PM »

Remember, at the Revolution 1/3 supported the Revolution, 1/3 were against and 1/3 did not care. It is the 1/3 who do not care that we need to appeal to and get them to wake up to the danger of the liberal agenda. It is patently ANTI Constitution. My partner may well end up mourning me. When they come for my guns I will fight. I cannot defeat them but perhaps I can be the 'shot heard round the world'.

I will be 61 in just over 2 weeks. I am in chronic pain, see a pain specialist and take enough narcotics to kill the average drug addict. I am on total disability and I am crippled, not enough to keep me in a wheel chair, though that was my prognosis. My partner was told I would be brain damaged to the point of being a vegetable and if I ever did recover cognition I would never walk. I tend to be contrary. The narcs just barely keep me from crying all the time. Being killed by the brown shirts to get more people to just say NO really will be a small sacrifice.

You may not hear about it but if the internet is still up and I am not on then you know what happened.

You all know I have a big mouth (figuratively)(well really too) and what I have written could certainly have me on a watch list. I truly believe that in the next 4 years we will really need to take up arms against illegal actions of the standing government. Note I did not say MY or OUR government because I voted against every one of them. Well, not every, some of my Conservatives got elected.

We need to do away with the electoral college. The obamanation won the popular vote by 0.1% but won 2/3 of the electoral college. The obamanation won some counties by more votes than there were residents of the county. Voter fraud was rampant. There is something VERY wrong there. What is wrong is the elites control the electoral college and it was set up to make sure the 'elite' would control the government because joe average is just too stupid to think for himself, or so they believe. They truly believe that we must be told what is good for us, us not them. Creeping socialism is what the obamanation is forcing on us. Disarming us is the step needed to allow them to force it on the entire country.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #43 on:** December 11, 2012, 02:28:53 AM »

SharonAnne,

Sorry to hear about your condition. I have recently been diagnosed with rumatoid arthritis. I get around, but when a low pressure comes in I get joint, tendonitis type pain. I am 59-1/2 and am considering early retirement. I just wish my kids took prepping seriously. I have 7, but only about 2 take it seriously. My youngest has to go to Afganistan next August. He is in the national guard and they are going to get them packed up to come home. Hope you can make it a while longer. You are a wealth of knowledge.

williamlayton · « **Reply #44 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:12:38 AM »

SA has more than one secret admirer---well, some of us are not so secretive about our admiration's.
Just be glad you are sensitive enough to find meds that work on you consistantly--If I should ever get in your condition, I would be in a world of hurt--both figuratively and in reality.
What to do about this discussion---I say to-mato and you say toemato.
I say a standard mag holds 7 round---all else is one less xtra mag i don't have to have.
High capacity has no connatation of reality.
Blessings

SharonAnne · « **Reply #45 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:26:12 PM »

The title of this Page has had the effect I hoped for. We are having heated (sometimes) but civil discussion. Yes, where we have gone has less and less to do with HIGH CAPACITY but it certainly looks to me like we have lit some fires of Patriotism that may have been banked too long.

William, you have said it very well. High capacity has no connotation in reality. It is a buzz word (phrase) the radica-libs use to fire up sentiment. I just want to take their buzz words away from them. We need the gun owners who voted liberal or did not vote at all to wake up to what is happening in America. Maybe those of us who have written so passionately will take that passion out into our non internet lives and 'rally the troops' so to speak. Yes we are really at the tomato/tohmahto stage.

Most of all, we want the same thing, a free America; something we have less and less of everyday.

We can close this page I suppose. I have however truly enjoyed the back and forth we have had without name calling. I am sure I came the closest when I told Mike in Virginia that he was "wrong in fact". He wasn't, he just has a different perspective.

We have had the kind of intellectual discussion liberals are incapable of having without resorting to emotional statements that have no basis. As I said earlier when they say it loud enough, long enough, people believe. We need to get the truth out.

Another aside. I just read about the "Presidents 100". They are the top 100 finishers at the annual High Power Matches at Camp Perry. The obamanation must sign letters of congratulations to those 100 who have used those nasty black rifles in sport. I know the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with sport but there he is forced to sign 100 letters of congratulations to sportsmen/women for using the very rifle he says have no sporting use. Something about being hoisted on his on petard.

Old Syko · « **Reply #46 on:** December 12, 2012, 01:20:50 AM »

I think you folks are right. This one has run it's course alright but without any feathers getting too ruffled. Patriotism is seldom in question among gun owners. I feel the worst argument most of us would have in a shooting situation would be who gets up front for the clear field of fire.

Those who fear inanimate objects can't be expected to sustain such rational discussion.

SA ya done good. What else ya got on your mind? I dare ya!

SharonAnne · « **Reply #47 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:00:22 PM »

ya' dare me? oh honey!!!!!!!!

Mikey · « **Reply #48 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:24:42 PM »

Syko: oh man, don't go darin' her, thou knowest not whateth thy do.

SharonAnne: Please dear, be kind.........

Old Syko · « **Reply #49 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:52:57 PM »

If ya look at my avatar, are ya sayin I'm the penguin and SA is the bear? Kinda chose that avatar for a reason.

Besides, I ain't skeerd. From what I've read so far I don't see much to disagree on.

Aaron1100us · « **Reply #50 on:** December 12, 2012, 07:27:16 PM »

High capacity should only be used for belt fed guns

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SharonAnne · « **Reply #51 on:** December 13, 2012, 02:40:21 PM »

Ok Mikey. I shall indeed by kind. This time

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #52 on:** December 14, 2012, 11:26:07 AM »

Wait! Got one more thing to say. I've been corresponding with Sharon by PM, and I very much stand corrected. If anyone on this site knows what they're talking about, it's her.