Author Topic: HIGH CAPACITY (Read 2855 times)

SharonAnne · « **on:** December 01, 2012, 02:25:43 AM »

Please stop using the term HIGH CAPACITY. Our magazines and firearms are NOT high capacity, they are STANDARD CAPACITY. As long as they are what they are designed for they are STANDARD CAPACITY. Eugene Stone designed the 20 AND 30 round magazines for the AR15 (which the military renamed the M16). They are the STANDARDS for it.

My Para P14-45 holds 14 or 15 depending on which ParaOrd/Para-USA you buy. They are STANDARD CAPACITY. I will agree that a 20 round magazine sticking way below the grip of the P14 is high capacity. Para did not design it. If Para designs a 20 rd magazine for the P14-45 it will not be high capacity. It will be a STANDARD CAPACITY or perhaps and OPTIONAL CAPACITY but if the designer of the firearm designs a magazine of whatever capacity for a firearm then it is STANDARD CAPACITY.

Now the military is using the 100 rd Beta Mag and the Surefire 60rd magazines then they become OPTIONAL CAPACITY for the AR15 too. As long as someone of authority makes a particular magazine part of the standard or optional kit then it becomes STANDARD or OPTIONAL CAPACITY for that firearm. I think the US Army and the USMC are authorities for the M16/M4 and by extension the AR15 and derivatives.

Only when someone other than the designer, manufacturer or major user (like our military) comes up with a higher capacity magazine can it be PROPERLY termed 'high capacity".

Please, let us bury the term HIGH CAPACITY.

JeffG · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2012, 02:54:25 AM »

Good point. Why use the media's headline garbage terminology?

Old Syko · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:34:50 AM »

Terminology used when dealing with any subject can be one of the most frustrating and telling things about one's knowledge. Although the term high capacity is frustrating it isn't nearly as frustrating to me as the description of magazines as clips. I picked up 5000 AR stripper clips from one of my suppliers some time back. When I told his helper I wanted to pick up 5000 clips he started pulling out boxes of magazines to see how many they had. We just let him go. I finally picked up the little bag of clips and left him to put everything away and get an education from his boss.

I have a high capacity 22 revolver. Must be. It holds 9 rounds.

PowPow · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:38:28 AM »

Converted my Ruger No.1 to HIGH CAPACITY. Put half an Allen elastic sleeve on the stock. Will that get me on a watchlist?

SharonAnne · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2012, 02:49:09 PM »

Thank you Jeff.

Syko I would love to have seen that flunky pull 4500 magazines and then see you walk away with a bag of 5000 clips. An education indeed.

OMG!!!! A HIGH CAPACITY Ruger No. 1!!!!!!!! A watchlist be damned. They are coming for you

cjclemens · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2012, 06:38:39 AM »

Its bad enough that the media cant seem to tell the difference between an fully automatic machine gun and a semi-automatic rifle. I don't know how many times I've had to explain to people that my AR only shoots once per pull of the trigger. Huge fundamental difference. The sad thing is that the media seems to be OK with this level of ignorance, when it comes to firearms.

Mikey · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2012, 12:11:23 PM »

cj: the sad truth is that you may have to shoot them with both types of firearms before they understand. But, it could be worse.......

SharonAnne · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM »

we get to shoot them? do we have to sign up?

Mikey · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2012, 06:02:13 AM »

Yep! No sign-up, no limits either.....

SharonAnne · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:00:37 AM »

open season too?

SharonAnne · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2012, 11:12:55 AM »

Dixiejack · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2012, 02:24:52 PM »

I agree with you SA. I got chastised on another forum because I asked about a source for some surplus AR/M16 20 round mags. A couple of posters jumped on me because I didn't see the sense in buying 30 round mags. I kind of hesitate to get in AR discussions. Even though Uncle Sam loaned me one back in the 60's, I made the comment that I felt like a newbie since it had been so many years and so much had changed in the AR platforms. One dude said he hated when newbies tried to join in and basically to get the h*ll of the forum.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:46:49 PM »

If newbies do not join in then whatever the activity it is will die as the members die. We always need new blood and should welcome newbies with open arms and be as helpful as we can. The more of us we are the stronger we are.

That 'dude' had his head way up where the sun don't shine!

Old Syko · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:26:35 PM »

Sounds like another arfcom story. If benching an AR I would never consider anything more than a 20 round box. Then again I don't hang out over on the darkside much either. More knowledge there than I can cope with.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2012, 05:27:03 AM »

I never use 30 rd mags on the bench. You wind up with borrowing sandbags from the benches on each side of you to build the Matterhorn just to keep the mag off the bench.

Ex 49'er · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2012, 09:02:32 PM »

The new catch-word is "Assault Magazines". Feinstein, Mike Thompson & Pelosi have been quoted as using that term. I guess it sounds more intimidating than Hi-Cap. Stupid is as stupid does!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #16 on:** December 25, 2012, 11:30:35 PM »

the term "assult rifle" is the one that bugs me. Its used to catorgorize about any rifle with a magazine anymore. Its about like calling any car with over 300 hp a race car. An assult rifle is a select fire weapon.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #17 on:** December 26, 2012, 04:23:25 AM »

"Assault Magazine" so what? Do they think that the magazine will be used to strike someone? Oh they are so very very stupid. Remember, YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID

cjclemens · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2012, 02:34:14 AM »

Assault magazine...that's a good one. Then again, if you load it up and put it in a sock, you could really whack someone with it.

This whole thing reminds me of a debate I once had with a family member about this. I laid out my old standard AR, an AWB friendly Ruger Ranch rifle, and a Ruger 10/22. While supposedly being "pro-gun," but against assault weapons and high capacity mags, they couldnt even tell me which one was or was not an assault rifle, based on the 1994 definition. The only remark was that they all looked "dangerous" when they had a 30 round magazine in them.

I guess the thing that bugs me is that, despite the facts, politicians that want to ban guns simply grab for the lowest hanging fruit - things that "look dangerous." I don't think politicians are stupid. I think they are very aware that incidents with so-called assault weapons and magazines are exceedingly rare. They're also aware that banning guns requires an uneducated population to support them. "Assault weapons," since they don't have universal support from all pro-gun people, is just a logical first step to a larger agenda.

Anyway, I've rambled about this long enough. I think I'll step down from my soap box before I get this thread kicked into the conspiracy theory forum...

cjclemens · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2012, 02:41:47 AM »

I almost forgot to mention - I have a few 30 rounders, but I actually have a couple 20 round mags for my AR that I use all the time. It seems like they're the perfect balance between capacity and not getting snagged on everything.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2012, 03:09:17 AM »

I too prefer 20s but ive been told by the news media that its just to hard to reload an ar so i might have to swap them out for drums.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #21 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:30:38 PM »

"Assault Weapons", "Assault Magazines", what next "assault hammers?". Anything used to assault anyone is an assault weapon. If never used against anyone then no firearm, no matter how 'scary' looking is a weapon, assault or otherwise.

The antis' know that they must 'strike while the iron is hot'. Only while there is high emotion regarding Sandy Hook is there opportunity for the antis' to get useless legislation passed. As emotion wains so too does the chance for useless lawmaking. There are no laws that can prevent such massacres. Only armed citizens can do that.

An armed society is a polite society - Robert Heinlein

Dixiejack · « **Reply #22 on:** December 29, 2012, 11:46:05 AM »

My wife has a cousin who lives out West and is a journalism professor. He has also worked for several newspapers. What started off as an argument between him and my wife about her AR15 and how she should turn it in because it is an "assault weapon." His definition of an assault weapon is that it's black, has a pistol grip, a short barrel, shoots 5.56 bullets and can hold up to 30 rounds. She chewed his butt out about his ignorance about firearms and told him I have a Remington R15 in .450 Bushmaster, and it has a 4 round magazine, plus it is painted camo. She sent him a link to it on Remington's web site. He argued that my R15 was also an assault rifle because it looked like an M16 and was painted camo. like terrorists use. It's a shame that people are so misinformed and take the attitude "if it looks like a duck, etc., then it must be a duck." I know he is not totally antigun because he has his dad's shotgun which he keeps "loaded for protection" and he like to duck and goose hunt and I have been with him several times. He is just stupid.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #23 on:** December 29, 2012, 03:06:38 PM »

Stupid is as stupid does and remember, you can't fix stupid.

btw, where 'out west'? I am in Phoenix, AZ. Maybe I can take him to the range.

Mikey · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2012, 03:33:54 PM »

Dixiejack: SharonAnne is right, ya can't fix stupid, and since ya can't fix it well maybe ya oughta take'm out duck huntin' again.........

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2012, 07:17:59 AM »

Here's one for you to ponder , my Dodge is 4 wheel drive , sits 4" higher than a standard truck and has a brush guard on the front -- Is this now an Assault Truck ?

It is not as driven off the lot and has the ground clearance to mow over most Kias !

stimpy

mechanic · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2012, 08:44:42 AM »

I wasn't gonna' say anything, but it occured to me I just bought some tactical underwear. Does that make me paramilitary? I'm constantly amazed at the use of the word tactical nowadays.....

Ben

dmd1911 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2012, 10:49:55 AM »

I have eight 30 rd magazines...for AR'S....I have accumulated them over the years...they are heavy...they hang down below the pistol grip...they can really get in the way.....everybody has a different preference here...I prefer the 20 rounder...10 most of the time....I occasionally run into to large groups of hog's...I can normally put four or five on the ground...and have plenty of ammo left with the 20 rounder.....the gimmicks as I call them...like the drums...are stirring up more controversy...in my eyes there are really no use for these....they remind me of the Saturday night specials that give us bad names also..."guilty by association"

SharonAnne · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2012, 06:29:52 PM »

What is a "Saturday Night Special" again? Oh yes, it is an inexpensive pistol that must be kept out of the hands of the POOR!

Magazine capacity is a smoke screen. It is one more thing to divide gun owners. Stand Together or loose our guns one at a time.

corbanzo · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2012, 08:46:51 PM »

If I was going for efficient assault technology.... 20's are way better than 30's. No stupid curve, compact design, doesnt go down past the grip.... Hell yeah low capacity! Low capacity 20 rounders! Screw those high cap 30's, ban 30's! All 20's! Drop the price on 20's!

so.....

high capacity vs low capacity
Magnum vs standard
tactical vs sporting
sporting vs standard
tactical vs assault
assault vs sporting
caribou vs reindeer

More arguing!! Keep GBO alive!!!