Author Topic: H&R Pardner Turkey Vs.... (Read 2637 times)

evan1395 · « **on:** December 13, 2012, 01:33:51 PM »

So after the holidays, I plan on buying a shotgun. I'm trying to keep it a single shot or an over/under.
Right now i'm debating between the H&R Pardner Turkey (With Mossy Oak Finish) and 3.5" Chamber.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HRSB1F12

Or I'm really liking this over/under made by Tri-Star (Has anyone heard of this company)? I have never shot an over/under but like the idea better than a traditional double barrel that is a side by side. How hard is it to become accustomed to shooting a over/under? I imagine it being quite a bit different with having one barrel on top of the other.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/78854#

Reviews on any/both ?

Thanks,
-Evan

brayh92 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2012, 01:59:12 PM »

There not much different than a single shot they there usually different chokes in different barrels unless you change them out I have 3 and there all great bird guns I usually run modified and full chokes in mine but the H&R turkey gun is a great shooting shotgun too I've shot a few and I'm planning on getting one

evan1395 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2012, 02:32:41 PM »

Quote from: brayh92 on December 13, 2012, 01:59:12 PM

There not much different than a single shot they there usually different chokes in different barrels unless you change them out I have 3 and there all great bird guns I usually run modified and full chokes in mine but the H&R turkey gun is a great shooting shotgun too I've shot a few and I'm planning on getting one

I figured the Turkey was the same as the orginal single shot pardners. But camo stock and foregrip and a 24" barrel. It comes with different chokes?

brayh92 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2012, 03:30:22 AM »

I was speaking of the O/U guns but the Parsees are all mostly the sawn and the turkey gun only comes with one choke

jpshaw · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2012, 04:05:40 AM »

Never one to spend a lot of money just to get a second shot so I'm mainly a Pardner shooter. The O/U does give you an instant choice of choke and or shot load that can be an advantage though.

Never found a price on that TriStar anyway.

evan1395 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2012, 08:37:17 AM »

Quote from: jpshaw on December 14, 2012, 04:05:40 AM

Never one to spend a lot of money just to get a second shot so I'm mainly a Pardner shooter. The O/U does give you an instant choice of choke and or shot load that can be an advantage though.

Never found a price on that TriStar anyway.

I got a local quote on that TriStar for somewhere around $400. The Pardner Turkey is only wanting about $250. I love my single shot rifles, so i'm sort of leaning torwards that Turkey Break Barrel!

Ol BW · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2012, 05:10:00 AM »

I don't think you could go wrong with a Pardner, especially if you got one with interchangeable chokes.

I have heard of Tri-Star and handled a couple in the gun store, they seem to be made pretty good for a Chinese gun.

I'm not trying to bash O/U's but I could never hit anything with the bottom barrel. I had a Traditions field grade 12 ga. O/U. As much as I loved the gun and the way it looked I could not hit anything unless I shot it with the top barrel! Needless to say I ended up selling it.

Of course if you are looking at a camo gun, fine bluing and engraved receivers are not high on your priority list anyway. You could get any Pardner and paint it the way you want.

evan1395 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2012, 09:41:53 AM »

Quote from: Ol BW on December 16, 2012, 05:10:00 AM

I don't think you could go wrong with a Pardner, especially if you got one with interchangeable chokes.

I have heard of Tri-Star and handled a couple in the gun store, they seem to be made pretty good for a Chinese gun.

I'm not trying to bash O/U's but I could never hit anything with the bottom barrel. I had a Traditions field grade 12 ga. O/U. As much as I loved the gun and the way it looked I could not hit anything unless I shot it with the top barrel! Needless to say I ended up selling it.

Of course if you are looking at a camo gun, fine bluing and engraved receivers are not high on your priority list anyway. You could get any Pardner and paint it the way you want.

Very true BW. I was watching people online not really being able to become accustomed to the underside barrel. I had a feeling I would be no different. I'm sure it does throw your line of sight off quite a bit when trying to aim high to compensate for the barrel being on bottom. I read the same thing and heard it quite a bit in person.
I really do dig the Pardners. I already have a .45-70 Handi and my Sportster 17 should be in next week (already 2 single shot break barrels). So why not buy a nice little 12 Gauge to join the fam ! If I feel like I do want a pump later, I can always pick up the Pump Model.

I was unaware TriStar was from China, that kind of a turn off on the gun. The single shot pardners are made here in the states right? Just not the Pumps?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:19:08 AM »

Single shot H&Rs are made in the US, current production pumps and recent semi-autos have been imports.

Tim

evan1395 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:22:33 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on December 16, 2012, 10:19:08 AM

Single shot H&Rs are made in the US, current production pumps and recent semi-autos have been imports.

Tim

Thank ya Quick. What do you think of getting the Turkey Pardner with full choke for flying fowl and skeet/trap shooting?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:27:25 AM »

Best let someone else answer that, I haven't shot flying fowl for years other than pheasant and some trap with a 20ga flintlock trade gun about 15-20yrs ago, rest of my shotgun shooting has been called turkeys for the last 20yrs or so.

Tim

evan1395 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2012, 10:31:30 AM »

Ok forget the flying fowl part XD. Is a full choke really intended for skeet? Or do people usually like a wider spread? Like a modified or whatever..

jpshaw · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2012, 01:48:00 AM »

Skeet is usually shot with more open chokes and Trap with tighter ones. I know a Skeet 1 choke us more open then improved cyl. Since I've never gotten a decent recipe for "clay pigeons" I tend to favor a modified choke

evan1395 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2012, 07:22:22 AM »

Quote from: jpshaw on December 17, 2012, 01:48:00 AM

Skeet is usually shot with more open chokes and Trap with tighter ones. I know a Skeet 1 choke us more open then improved cyl. Since I've never gotten a decent recipe for "clay pigeons" I tend to favor a modified choke

Well I was just informed by someone that the Pardner Turkeys Chokes are interchangable. I thought it came with a FIXED Full Choke. A gentleman told me you can swap them out. That is a HUGE relief for me. I really loved the look of this H&R but hated the fact I was gonna be stuck with one style choke.
Needless to say, that was music to my ears. I believe I found my shotgun boys!

Not mine, but damn does it look nice!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2012, 07:45:55 AM »

Evan, page 27 of the 2012 catalog states the 10ga Pardner Turkey comes with a screw-in xtra full choke, and the 12ga has a fixed full choke, the website sorta says the same thing, but they don't indicate fixed on the 12ga.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerTurkey.asp

http://www.digitaleditiononline.com/publication/?i=89652&pre=1

evan1395 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2012, 07:47:26 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on December 17, 2012, 07:45:55 AM

Evan, page 27 of the 2012 catalog states the 10ga Pardner Turkey comes with a screw-in xtra full choke, and the 12ga has a fixed full choke, the website sorta says the same thing, but they don't indicate fixed on the 12ga.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerTurkey.asp

http://www.digitaleditiononline.com/publication/?i=89652&pre=1

Than it is a fixed full choke -.- Damn it! lol.

Ol BW · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2012, 10:17:31 AM »

Is there any way you can look at the gun you intend to buy? You should be able to tell easily by looking at the muzzle end of the barrel. . .could be a older or different version.

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quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2012, 11:16:46 AM »

Some accessory barrels have screw-in tubes.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/support/accessoryprogram.asp

.Dirty-.30 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2012, 12:05:07 PM »

I have the H&R turkey guns in 12ga and 10ga, if you are serious about blowing up turkeys, you want the 10ga, recoil is nothing more than a 3.5" 12. The 10ga takes chokes and I shoot the 2 1/2oz @ 1240fps nitros and have a turkey destroyer out to 70 yds. It is also drilled and tapped for a scope which any serious turkey gun also has.

evan1395 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2012, 02:24:39 PM »

Quote from: .Dirty-.30 on December 17, 2012, 12:05:07 PM

I have the H&R turkey guns in 12ga and 10ga, if you are serious about blowing up turkeys, you want the 10ga, recoil is nothing more than a 3.5" 12. The 10ga takes chokes and I shoot the 2 1/2oz @ 1240fps nitros and have a turkey destroyer out to 70 yds. It is also drilled and tapped for a scope which any serious turkey gun also has.

I'm just looking for a nice (and good looking) single shot skeet shotgun from H&R. I don't want the Topper or Topper Deluxe, I like the pardner turkey with camo in 12G. I suppose I just need to find an accespry barrel I like in length with screw in chokes.

bluecow · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2012, 01:18:09 AM »

any gunsmith can tread the barrel to take choke tubes for $50 give or take. h&r web sight.. 24" 12g barrel 31/2 chamber screw in choke tube ( sold separately ) $75 imho its a wash

Ol BW · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2012, 05:20:13 AM »

I'm not sure what you do not like about the Topper or Topper deluxe, (I never really liked the black stock and silver finish) but I think once they made a version that was blued with brown walnut stock. Topper Deluxe Classic I think? Chime in here Quick!

I have a 16 ga. that has brown walnut checkered stock and a beautiful blued vent rib barrel. The vent rib is stamped Simmons Barrel Co. Either someone sent it to Simmons for a custom barrel or it was a special run from the factory. Maybe there are more out there. . .

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quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** December 18, 2012, 05:27:00 AM »

I love my Topper Deluxe Classic for turkeys, never shot a vent rib gun for trap tho, but unfortunately the Toppers are hard to find now that they've been discontinued, so it's prolly a moot point. $:-\$

Tim

Ol BW · « **Reply #23 on:** December 18, 2012, 05:33:18 AM »

Not trying to hijack this thread, but Tim what is the difference in the TDC? Does it have choke tubes or fixed?

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quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** December 18, 2012, 05:41:10 AM »

Tubes, vent rib and checkered walnut stock, no paint.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/topper.asp

evan1395 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 18, 2012, 12:49:24 PM »

Quote from: bluecow on December 18, 2012, 01:18:09 AM

any gunsmith can tread the barrel to take choke tubes for $50 give or take. h&r web sight.. 24" 12g barrel 31/2 chamber screw in choke tube ( sold separately ) $75 imho its a wash

So it'd be in my better interest to buy the Turkey 12G, trim the barrel down to my desired length, then go see a gunsmith and have him thread the end for chokes?
It'd end up being cheaper than buying a whole new barrel through H&R. Plus then they have to fit them at the factory right?

hoytcanon · « **Reply #26 on:** December 20, 2012, 04:29:58 AM »

Evan... From your stated purposes for this gun... The H&R singles do not make sense. Don't drop $150 (or more) into a $200 gun for skeet shooting... You will be wanting an extra barrel pretty soon for doubles and follow-ups... I don't know what this talk is of difficulty lining up over/unders??? You D'ONT make any adjustments to your aim and form for the bottom barrel... There is no practical difference in POI considering the pattern you are shooting... I have shot O/U's for more than 40 years... The beauty of them is you have the same sight picture and plane as a single barrel... Now a S/S is a different story! Side-By-Side guns tak some getting used to. I know nothing about Tri-Star... But there are plenty of decent O/U's in the $400 range... Take a look at Stoeger etc... IMO you will be disappointed in a single for your uses... If this were solely a turkey gun... Then I would definitely say go with the H&R.

evan1395 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 20, 2012, 01:33:36 PM »

Quote from: hoytcanon on December 20, 2012, 04:29:58 AM

Evan... From your stated purposes for this gun... The H&R singles do not make sense. Don't drop $150 (or more) into a $200 gun for skeet shooting... You will be wanting an extra barrel pretty soon for doubles and follow-ups... I don't know what this talk is of difficulty lining up over/unders??? You D'ONT make any adjustments to your aim and form for the bottom barrel... There is no practical difference in POI considering the pattern you are shooting... I have shot O/U's for more than 40 years... The beauty of them is you have the same sight picture and plane as a single barrel... Now a S/S is a different story! Side-By-Side guns tak some getting used to. I know nothing about Tri-Star... But there are plenty of decent O/U's in the $400 range... Take a look at Stoeger etc... IMO you will be disappointed in a single for your uses... If this were solely a turkey gun... Then I would definitely say go with the H&R.

I was informed and under the impression that it is rather difficult to become used to a O/U. Personally I didn't think it would be THAT big of a change.
I was looking at the Maverick Hunter 12 O/U. Fairly cheap. My buddy used to own a Maverick model 88, it was a solid little unit. Anyway this is it..
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/61681

Very odd, as of yesterday (I believe) Cheaperthandirt does not sell firearms, nor give out ballparks ranges of the Price. Very odd. Anyone know what happened.

But yeah that is the over/under I was condsidering getting, or the tristar.

TxGun · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2012, 05:32:31 PM »

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quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:24:33 PM »

Quote from: TxGun on December 20, 2012, 05:32:31 PM

Very odd, as of yesterday (I believe) Cheaperthandirt does not sell firearms, nor give out ballparks ranges of the Price. Very odd. Anyone know what happened.

They still list em.

Tim

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MfgContent.aspx?mfgId=135&catId=1612&fmp=Y