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Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« on: December 15, 2012, 02:25:55 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9746935/Teachers-sacrificed-themselves-to-save-their-pupils.html Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils Three teachers murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School all died heroes as they attempted to save their young pupils from a gunman they recognised as the son of one of the school’s kindergarten teachers.      The teachers who sacrificed themselves to save their pupils    Image 1 of 3 Dawn Hochsprung left a meeting to confront the gunman along with two other members of staff at the school Photo: AP Victoria Soto: one of the teachers who sacrificed themselves to save their pupils    Image 1 of 3 Victoria Soto attempted to shield her students and usher them into a closet  Mary Sherlach    Image 1 of 3 Mary Sherlach Photo: BRYAN LITTLE            Sean Rayment  By Sean Rayment 9:49AM GMT 15 Dec 2012
     Authorities have identified principal Dawn Hochsprung, 47, school psychologist Mary Sherlach, 56, and 27-year-old Victoria Soto, a young first grade teacher, as three of the eight adults found dead at the school on Friday.   Twenty eight people died in the shooting rampage, including 20 young children between the ages of five and ten. The alleged gunman Adam Lanza, took his own life.   It has been reported that Miss Soto sacrificed herself to save her students – throwing her body in front of the young children.   When Lanza began started firing at the school in suburban Newtown, Connecticut, some teachers dived under tables – but the Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach never hesitated, according to reports.   They ran into the hallway to confront the danger – and were murdered execution-style as a result.    Related Articles   It is understood that Mrs Hochsprung buzzed Lanza into the school, bypassing the newly-installed security system – recognising him as the son of Nancy Lanza, a kindergarten teacher.
By that stage he had already killed his mother at the home they shared nearby with one of her guns and used her car to drive to the school.
    Diane Day, a school therapist, told the Wall Street Journal that she and several other teachers were in a meeting with Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach when the shooting began.
“We were there for about five minutes chatting and we heard, 'pop pop pop',” she said. “I went under the table.”
But the principal and the school psychologist ran toward the sound of the gunfire with complete disregard for their own safety.
“They didn’t think twice about confronting or seeing what was going on,” Ms Day said.
Rabbi Shaul Praver who visited the scene said that Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach were killed in an execution-style.
Miss Soto, who had taught at the school for five years was described by one of her deeply distraught 10-year-old boy pupils as ‘really nice and funny’, was trying to shield her students and usher them into a closet when she came face-to-face with the gunman.
Miss Soto’s cousin, Jim Wiltsie, said: “She put herself between the gunman and the children and that’s when she was tragically shot and killed,’ Mr Wiltsie said.
“I’m just proud that Vicki had the instincts to protect her kids from harm. It brings peace to know that Vicki was doing what she loved, protecting the children and in our eyes she’s a hero,’ he added.
Jacob Riley added that Miss Soto liked to chew gum in class – something is not usually allowed for teachers. He said he often teased her about her habit – and she playfully teased him back.
Former school superintendent John Reed told the Connecticut Post that Mrs Sherlach was warm and cared deeply for her students.
“If there ever was a person, by qualifications and personality, to work with children, to be a school psychologist, it was Mary,’ he said.
She was married and half daughters in their 20s and enjoyed gardening, reading and the theatre, according to her school biography.
Mrs Hochsprung, who was happily married to her second husband after her first marriage ended in divorce, tweeted dozens of pictures of her school since the start of term earlier this year.
Friends and neighbours said it was immediately clear to everyone she knew that she loved her students and her school.
“I don’t think you could find a more positive place to bring students to every day,’ she told a local newspaper recently.
Another tale of heroism came from an eight-year-old student who said a teacher pulled him from the hallway as bullets rang out.
“I saw some of the bullets going down the hall that I was right next to and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom. It sounded like someone was kicking a door,’ he said of the piercing sound of the gunfire.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 03:28:00 AM »
"When Lanza began started firing at the school in suburban Newtown, Connecticut, some teachers dived under tables – but the Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach never hesitated, according to reports."

Perhaps the outcome would have been better if one of these brave individuals had a CCW and were permitted to carry in school.   Of course the national media would never look at it from this angle.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 05:03:28 AM »
Right Brett, the media always whines about to many guns in society, especially when something like this happens. In reality all these no gun zones are nothing but soft targets for deranged, and evil people with the intent of murder. It is insanity to make places like schools "gun free zones". If adults were able to carry, what would the difference have been in this case? What if at least the principle carried? There are always going to be evil people, and making areas gun free are only going to stop the very people that could have stopped something like this from happening. It will not stop evil people from murdering.   
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 05:49:53 AM »
I'd be more interested to know how the shooter was able to enter an elementary school dressed in black, wearing body armor, carrying 2 Glock pistols, an AR-15 and a 4th firearm without any resistance or anyone even realizing it until the shooting began.

Oddly enough, news reports claimed that the "new school security measures" had been instituted this year. Hmmmm

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 06:05:37 AM »
It's again very sad that when teachers go on strike or any  other news that shows teachers as the bad guys , this board is full of anti teacher posts. Sad that no one has made any positive  comments about how these teachers were heroes. I'm convinced it's alot easier for many here to criticize than to give praise. That way of thinking truly sickens me.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 09:09:12 AM »
deleated by poster - double post for some unknown reason ?


Wake up and re-read my OP.   I referred to the teachers as brave individuals.   And I did not see one single post criticizing any of the teachers involved.   Get off your hi-horse.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 10:16:43 AM »
deleated by poster - double post for some unknown reason ?


Wake up and re-read my OP.   I referred to the teachers as brave individuals.   And I did not see one single post criticizing any of the teachers involved.   Get off your hi-horse.
If only wish the principle had been armed.... she lunged for him, so apparently she recognized what was going down.  I wish the media would push at least for the principle and his/her veep be armed.
one of those are usually in the entrance area most of the time.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 10:24:07 AM »
deleated by poster - double post for some unknown reason ?


Wake up and re-read my OP.   I referred to the teachers as brave individuals.   And I did not see one single post criticizing any of the teachers involved.   Get off your hi-horse.
I never said the teachers involved were critized. I'll stay on my high horse, and you work on reading comprehension.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 10:35:04 AM »
Kimber is just trolling, no other reason for him to go there in a thread like this one.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 12:31:35 PM »
It's again very sad that when teachers go on strike or any  other news that shows teachers as the bad guys , this board is full of anti teacher posts. Sad that no one has made any positive  comments about how these teachers were heroes. I'm convinced it's alot easier for many here to criticize than to give praise. That way of thinking truly sickens me.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 01:43:05 PM »
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this,that a man lay down his life for his friends.

If suicide hands one a one way ticket to hell. What we see here hands one a quick ticket to Heaven.
Where this act alone washed their souls of all sin. These courageous women now sit on the right
hand of God, along with the children they tried to protect.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 01:46:24 PM »
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this,that a man lay down his life for his friends.

If suicide hands one a one way ticket to hell. What we see here hands one a quick ticket to Heaven.
Where this act alone washed their souls of all sin. These courageous women now sit on the right
hand of God, along with the children they tried to protect.
I totally agree with you.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 01:55:14 PM »
Kimber, I know you do. Thank you for starting this thread, it needed to be said and it was you who
said it.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 03:46:49 PM »
I personally think any teacher who wants to should have the right & ability to carry.
In the world we live in today they along with parents/children are currently at the will of the nutcases.
Give them training and the opportunity and maybe the shooter would think twice about schools as targets.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2012, 04:10:39 AM »
There are no perfect answers, because there are no perfect people.  It's almost a sure thing that if teachers, or principals were allowed to carry, somewhere, sometime, one of those would flip out and use it on students.  Just the same, schools should not be easy targets for the demented.  I think maybe an armed security person might be worth considering.  None of this was ever thought of when I was a yute and guns were everywhere.  My buddy and I used to carry our rifles right through the middle of town when we were 12 years old and no one gave it a second look.  I remember a kid who brought a toy gun to school everyday and used to play cowboys and indians with himself--right up through high school.  Nobody gave that a second thought--it was just they way he was.  Can you imagine that in today's world?
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2012, 06:08:13 AM »
Remember these brave , heroic teachers the next time you hear - Teachers do it only for the money or teachers don't care about their students.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2012, 06:41:29 AM »
Remember these brave , heroic teachers the next time you hear - Teachers do it only for the money or teachers don't care about their students.


And they most likely knew that they would die. They did it mostly by who they were, in their last
moments no thought of being a teacher was likely to have crossed their minds.
True heroes are born out of necessity, few get there out of planning.   

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2012, 09:32:24 AM »
How about looking at these three women as the heros they are, that gave up their lives trying to protect others.
Instead of trying to turn this terrible thing into a" TEACHERS ARE HEROS" thread!
I would bet these women would have done the same thing to save just one child if a nut case went off in the local Wal-mart.
Then would we see  a "ALL WOMAN SHOPPERS ARE HEROS" thread?
These women are true heros filled with love for others above themselves.
No matter if they were teachers or dog catchers!
 
btw-I have a daughter that teaches kindergarden, and believe that the way she feels about kids she would have done the same thing.
NOT  because she is a teacher,,,,but because of the type of person she is.
 
 

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Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2012, 09:34:26 AM »
Definitely!  Some of them dove under tables.  These stepped up.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2012, 09:42:43 AM »
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this,that a man lay down his life for his friends.

If suicide hands one a one way ticket to hell. What we see here hands one a quick ticket to Heaven.
Where this act alone washed their souls of all sin. These courageous women now sit on the right
hand of God, along with the children they tried to protect.
Thanks for that Bible verse.  we can add all our military who have died to keep us free.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2012, 11:09:48 AM »
How about looking at these three women as the heros they are, that gave up their lives trying to protect others.
Instead of trying to turn this terrible thing into a" TEACHERS ARE HEROS" thread!
I would bet these women would have done the same thing to save just one child if a nut case went off in the local Wal-mart.
Then would we see  a "ALL WOMAN SHOPPERS ARE HEROS" thread?
These women are true heros filled with love for others above themselves.
No matter if they were teachers or dog catchers!
 
btw-I have a daughter that teaches kindergarden, and believe that the way she feels about kids she would have done the same thing.
NOT  because she is a teacher,,,,but because of the type of person she is.


That's what I have been saying.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2012, 11:36:50 AM »
How about looking at these three women as the heros they are, that gave up their lives trying to protect others.
Instead of trying to turn this terrible thing into a" TEACHERS ARE HEROS" thread!
I would bet these women would have done the same thing to save just one child if a nut case went off in the local Wal-mart.
Then would we see  a "ALL WOMAN SHOPPERS ARE HEROS" thread?
These women are true heros filled with love for others above themselves.
No matter if they were teachers or dog catchers!
 
btw-I have a daughter that teaches kindergarden, and believe that the way she feels about kids she would have done the same thing.
NOT  because she is a teacher,,,,but because of the type of person she is.
These women are true heros filled with love for others above themselves. Exactly -they are caring people . - Thanks for supporting my point of view. .
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2012, 11:50:21 AM »
Redundancy makes the original intent a moot point based only in confusion. It is what Kimber has
been saying all along, as an outsider looking in that is the way I would see it .
And from my emails from those who do look in on this site they are seeing it the same way.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2012, 12:35:06 PM »
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Exactly -they are caring people . - Thanks for supporting my point of view. .

 
 
 
Talk about beating a dead horse.  I don't think he is supporting your point of view, which appears to be that "teachers" are heros.  As someone else already pointed out, some (most, I think) of the teachers hid, while these three "individuals" tried to help.  They were heros because of who they were, not because of their jobs.
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2012, 12:47:14 PM »
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Exactly -they are caring people . - Thanks for supporting my point of view. .

 
 
 
Talk about beating a dead horse.  I don't think he is supporting your point of view, which appears to be that "teachers" are heros.  As someone else already pointed out, some (most, I think) of the teachers hid, while these three "individuals" tried to help.  They were heros because of who they were, not because of their jobs.
Nope - you missed the point that others seemed to have gotten.
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2012, 01:17:02 PM »
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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2012, 01:53:26 PM »
I really can't find where anyone ever said that just because they were teachers that made them
heroes. We need to get off of this and focus on what the OP had intended to say.
All I've seen is that as teachers they loved their students, as courageous individuals they died trying
to protect them. I can see nothing wrong with that, anything else is conveluted and is running a
good thread into the ground. This is wrong, we argue about the simplest things when in the end
we are all saying the same thing. This thread was not intended to be about politics, it is about
courage in the face of fire and the faith to believe these souls are now in Gods hands.


Now we all need to STOP IT, people are watching.

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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2012, 02:53:39 PM »
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This thread was not intended to be about politics

 
 
 
Anna, you're heart is in the right place.  But, this certainly sounds like it was intended to be political:
 
 
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It's again very sad that when teachers go on strike or any  other news that shows teachers as the bad guys , this board is full of anti teacher posts.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2012, 03:26:20 PM »
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This thread was not intended to be about politics

 
 
 
Anna, you're heart is in the right place.  But, this certainly sounds like it was intended to be political:
 
 
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It's again very sad that when teachers go on strike or any  other news that shows teachers as the bad guys , this board is full of anti teacher posts.


Thank you Casull, a voice of sanity was most needed here. Even if it were meant to be political or
became that way. We all need to step back and take a hard look at this.
I mean we all are better than this, especially with its subject matter being what it is.
It reminded me of that scene in Saving Private Ryan, where they were digging through those dog
tags looking to see if he was dead or not. They didn't understand at that moment what they were
doing. But the looks on the other soldiers looking on said it all.

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Re: Teachers sacrificed themselves to save their pupils
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2012, 03:34:14 PM »
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It reminded me of that scene in Saving Private Ryan, where they were digging through those dog
tags looking to see if he was dead or not. They didn't understand at that moment what they were
doing. But the looks on the other soldiers looking on said it all.
        Well said.  I'm stepping back from this one. 
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