Voice Your Support to Correct the Root Cause of All Mass Shootings

[Coltdriver]

The root cause of the mass shootings we see here in America is mental illness.
 
 The United States has done a pathetic job of addressing this problem.
 
 It would be so much more effective to manage a few hundred thousand severely mentally ill people than it would be to attempt to manage the hundreds of millions of guns in this country.
 
 You can voice your support by signing this petition to re establish a nationwide network of mental health facilities.
 
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reestablish-nationwide-network-mental-health-facilities-and-make-treatment-compulsory-severe-cases/2pjkv0xh#thank-you=p

 I believe that if we can get this argument rolling then the next step of forming a registry of mentally ill people can be put in place as a check prior to selling guns or ammo.
 
 It would sure beat allowing the politicians to trample our 2nd amendment rights!

[magooch]

I'm more afraid of politicians than all the crazies in the world.  Who is going to be the decider of who gets put in the looney bin?  I'm pretty sure that to most lefty liberals, anyone who owns a gun is a nut.

[blind ear]

We already have a nationwide network of mental health facilities. The problem is that they are used to reduce the cost of housing social problems rather than treat the mentally ill. Drug and alcohol take most of the beds by saying "i want to kill myself" to qualify for MI help rather than going to jail for the crime they have committed and having jail time and a fine for the crime that they have committed. They are coached by LE officers to make the plea so that local LE doesn't have to put up with them. Three strikes and your are out would fill our prison system to the point of needing to greatly expand it's size.
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It is "cheaper" for the state to house the "criminal" that is classified as mentally ill for 2 or 3 weeks in a MH facility rather than have to keep them in jail or prison for 2 or 3 years. It is like all things run by politics. There is no way to make it effective. Many of the mentally ill need full time care of housing and medication management. They can't make it on their own. The medicines make them feel like crap and they like to "party" also. They stop taking their meds for either reason. No easy option available. Society doesn't want to pay the price.
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Most of the patients both Mi or drug and alcohol have the mentality that all of their problems are "someone else's fault!"
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[jimster]

Sadly, this kind of thing can't be stopped through any kind of legislation. Including building a data base of mentally ill people, in which case your probably headed for some over reach in that area as well...such as vets returning home from war being denied their rights, and the list could expand as far as they want, including what people posted even on this site. This kind of thing happens all over the world, including places where massive legislation and bans are already in place. They will look at hi cap mags, semi- auto's...who knows, truth is someone could have done the same damage with a 1892 lever gun and a bandoleer full of ammo.  Only way to stop a bad person with a gun, is with another gun, I think that is one fact that will always stand, since everyone that showed up after this tragedy was armed to the teeth, although too late.  The people who will write and sign the legislation can't even stop their own ATF from running guns and getting hundreds killed.
The root cause can't be stopped with legislation. IMO. 
The way we raise and monitor our young people is the key, over time.
 

[thumper113]

I'm still up in the air on this.  The guy being declared mentally ill because he was a Christian was too recent for me to trust them.

[JonnyReb]

 I don't think we can fix the root cause of this problem quickly enough to keep it from happening again. I do think its time to have armed security, public or private, installed in our schools and public places. They certainly have them at our banks and financial institutions to ward off bank robberies, if its good enough for our banks, as it has been for a century, why not our schools?   
                                                                                          Jeff

[Defoe]

I'm more afraid of politicians than all the crazies in the world.  Who is going to be the decider of who gets put in the looney bin?  I'm pretty sure that to most lefty liberals, anyone who owns a gun is a nut.

Hussein has already said that gun owners are criminals, so it's a short trip to calling us crazy

[powderman]

The root cause is not having God in their lives. We need to make God a part of our daily lives again, get the ten commandments back in our schools and judicial system. Liberalism is a sickness too, another example of folks without God in their lives. Christians need to take our country back away from liberals. Quit electing folks with no morals or family values, hussein is a prime example of this. Quit all the liberal anti Christian crappola. Put Gods laws ahead of mans. Go to Church, Pray. Do away with tv shows focusing on and promoting homosexuality, like ellen degenerate. POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

In the 80's the leftists are the ones that declared the housing of the mentally ill illegal and against their civil rights.
The leftists are the ones that changed the mentally illness rules and are suprised at the actions of people that get their hands on firearms and do some very horrific things like this. 
And no matter what you sign they will not go back on this and keeping the mentally ill on the streets.
It was done to imbarass Reagan by increasing the numbers of homeless.  Trying to prove the lower income taxes would not raise all boats in the sweeping tied of economic growth. 

[Cuts Crooked]

Here's a link to the reality of life for the mentally ill and their families: http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son

I've seen this stuff a thousand times during my career!

[1puckaway]

The explanation of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[jammer308]

whether or  not it can or can't make a difference in any way, i think its at least a good idea to try it. let us law abiding folks keeps our guns and give the anti's a little something to show we're not heartless and willing to contribute to help try and solve a serious problem. you cant deny the problems we face. with freedom comes a cost. The gun owner's and the organizations that represent us are looked on as gun toting uptight white guys who need anger management. hey thats me lol.... seriously we gun owners, all gun owners seriously need to band together IN SUPPORT of finding a solution. we still fight tooth and nail for the old #2 ........ back in '93 or '94  i lived directly across the street from the guy who walked inside the mcdonald's in kenosha wi. and shot the place up.. i was there for a good 7 months and never even knew anyone lived in that house until the day he snapped. then after watching the video he made of himself in the months prior to shooting those people, i couldnt help but think, how in the hell somebody didnt see that coming?!?!?! the guy was absolutely gone out to lunch... very scary.. my heart goes out to everyone involved out there in Connecticut.. Sickening is what it is...
 

[jammer308]

i signed the petition and shared it to facebook
 

[Swift One]

I do think its time to have armed security, public or private, installed in our schools and public places.

I agree with this alot.
 
 
  While I dont agree with religion getting all "middle ages" again, I do agree with something like the 10 commandments.  You dont have to be a bible thumper to realize and respect that they are some pretty sound things to live by- even the ones that talks about not taking the lord's name in vain. It does offend the religious ones- so respect thier beliefs (even when they want to burn less religious people at the stake)

[magooch]

Oh wait just a minute; some very smart common taters have described liberalism as a mental disorder.  By golly they're right and if it means they would all have to be institutionalized along with all the other nutcakes--I'm god with that.  Let's do it.

[BBF]

I do think its time to have armed security, public or private, installed in our schools and public places.

I agree with this alot.
 
 
  ...........
....................... (even when they want to burn less religious people at the stake)

 it has been done before plus other unkind methods of persuasion or disposal of the heathen

[guzzijohn]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"In the 80's the leftists are the ones that declared the housing of the mentally ill illegal and against their civil rights.The leftists are the ones that changed the mentally illness rules and are suprised at the actions of people that get their hands on firearms and do some very horrific things like this. 
And no matter what you sign they will not go back on this and keeping the mentally ill on the streets.
It was done to imbarass Reagan by increasing the numbers of homeless.  Trying to prove the lower income taxes would not raise all boats in the sweeping tied of economic growth. "


As I stated in another thread:
It was not to embarrass Reagan it was a combination of misguided human rights movements and massive funding cuts for mental health treatment which we are paying greatly for now. I worked in the mental health field during the 80s. State hospitals were being closed with the promise that the saved funds would be given to local communities to be able to treat those folk in their home communities instead. The problem was that the vast majority of the funding was never handed down to the local communities. This also is another reason for jail overcrowding. The jails have become the "treatment Centers" for the mentally ill. Currently 56% of prisoners are considered mentally ill.
GuzziJohn

[blind ear]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"In the 80's the leftists are the ones that declared the housing of the mentally ill illegal and against their civil rights.The leftists are the ones that changed the mentally illness rules and are suprised at the actions of people that get their hands on firearms and do some very horrific things like this. 
And no matter what you sign they will not go back on this and keeping the mentally ill on the streets.
It was done to imbarass Reagan by increasing the numbers of homeless.  Trying to prove the lower income taxes would not raise all boats in the sweeping tied of economic growth. "


As I stated in another thread:
It was not to embarrass Reagan it was a combination of misguided human rights movements and massive funding cuts for mental health treatment which we are paying greatly for now. I worked in the mental health field during the 80s. State hospitals were being closed with the promise that the saved funds would be given to local communities to be able to treat those folk in their home communities instead. The problem was that the vast majority of the funding was never handed down to the local communities. This also is another reason for jail overcrowding. The jails have become the "treatment Centers" for the mentally ill. Currently 56% of prisoners are considered mentally ill.
GuzziJohn

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Drug charges are the main reason for jail over crowding, selling, buying or drug use consequences. If by age 35 a person hasn't achieved responsibility and commit crimes or endanger them self or others they should be separated from society permanently. It would be cheaper than using the community MH system to allow  criminals avoid jail. It would free up treatment services so that people with MH problems that wish to get help would have staff and beds available. Most of the revolving door patients aren't mentally ill, they are habitual druggies or dangers to others that use the system to avoid jail time and fines. ear
Age of maturity: 30 - 40
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alcohol is a drug

[RevJim]

 I understand that 'some" mental patients need to be institutionalized, but I don't want Govt. deciding who that is! The Nazis started out slow, then ended up 'euthanizing" these "unproductive, genetically inferior" ( children and old folks too) humans. Many political prisoners were executed by this claim of "mental illness". Do I believe our Govt wants to do this? No, not at this time, but neither did the German people...at that time.

[ChungDoQuan]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"In the 80's the leftists are the ones that declared the housing of the mentally ill illegal and against their civil rights.The leftists are the ones that changed the mentally illness rules and are suprised at the actions of people that get their hands on firearms and do some very horrific things like this. 
And no matter what you sign they will not go back on this and keeping the mentally ill on the streets.
It was done to imbarass Reagan by increasing the numbers of homeless.  Trying to prove the lower income taxes would not raise all boats in the sweeping tied of economic growth. "


As I stated in another thread:
It was not to embarrass Reagan it was a combination of misguided human rights movements and massive funding cuts for mental health treatment which we are paying greatly for now. I worked in the mental health field during the 80s. State hospitals were being closed with the promise that the saved funds would be given to local communities to be able to treat those folk in their home communities instead. The problem was that the vast majority of the funding was never handed down to the local communities. This also is another reason for jail overcrowding. The jails have become the "treatment Centers" for the mentally ill. Currently 56% of prisoners are considered mentally ill.
GuzziJohn

+1. The mentally ill were released into community-based management plans. (I got free housing in college for rooming with a "mainstreamed" schizophrenic young man. For 2 semesters, before the program was cancelled.) Then the funding never happened, so those plans disappeared. You cannot argue against public funding for mental health and at the same time demand more hands-on treatment of the mentally ill. On the other hand, there is nothing functionally wrong with psychopaths, sociopaths, borderline personalities, and, quite often, simple psychotics--- these are the most violence-prone mentally aberrant individuals. They are very hard to screen for, so it will COST a lot to do so, and there are still no guarantees. I think there should be some sort of mental qualification for owning guns, maybe even graduated licensing for military style guns. But that's just me...

[45-70.gov]

I'm more afraid of politicians than all the crazies in the world.  Who is going to be the decider of who gets put in the looney bin?  I'm pretty sure that to most lefty liberals, anyone who owns a gun is a nut.

yep  you are correct
people need to get over it and move on
2 days ago a car swered and killed the oncoming  harly bike driver
age and name given in paper...no other details.....and the harley was totaled
why are all the other deaths throughout the country  NOW irrelavent??


freedom  isn't free.....move on

[guzzijohn]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/police-find-no-evidence-connecticut-gunman-was-on-medication/

[jhm]

     Well we have a downs son he is 46+ yrs old, and has always lived with us and always will, he deer hunts with us on the place here and has harvested 3/4 nice deer, he is refered as our special son on several posts and we are proud of him, and we never thought about WHAREHOUSING him so OUR life would be better, we have always included him in all of our lives, he goes on cruises, shops for whatever he wants, he is RESPONSIBLE for his own bedroom and his laundry, as far as guns go we have always had guns loose in the house without a worry, we only started buying safes in our later years since crime across the country has increased, not to keep any of our children from showing a interest in them, I think that the influx of drugs and the circular door policy of jail is one mof our main causes of crime across this country, It is easy to blame a object like a gun it has no rights and wont fight back, however it is everyones responsibility who do own guns to do the fighting back for your gun rights and take responsibility for owning them, If the Government gets away with the so called assult weapons ban it wont be long before your H&R single shot will be on the list!!  Dont do a DICKS sporting goods store act to see if that satisfies the government it wont.  Jim

[45-70.gov]

there is nothing much  can be done that  won't impose on freedom


''give me liberty or give me death''......guess that goes for the children too


each  of us as an individual  can be the best parent or grand parent we can be


too  bad EVERY one doesn't think like me but  they are free.... and don't answer to me


we don't here about every drunk driving death in every dedail...when  is the funeral etc


these incidents  are publicized by democrats with an agenda spawning copycats


too  many violent movies and games.......want censorship...or good parenting??

[mcbammer]

Keeping   you   firearms  under  lock & key  when  not  useing  them  would  help  . one  of  the    best  purchase  I  ever  made  was a  gun  vault.

[Mike in Virginia]

This ain't something new.  The root cause is evil.  We just see more of it now because there are more people.  Like cancer.  More people getting it because there are more people. 
It's not something that can be stopped, fixed or managed.  An evil person will do his evil deeds no matter what.  I don't like to let anyone off the hook because he demonstrated signs of instability or insanity. 

[lgm270]

Don't fall into the mental illness trap.

Liberals think everyone who disagrees with them is mentally ill.

If you disagreed with them about communism and communist penetration of and espionage against  our government in  the 1940-1950's, you  had a mental illnesses called "paranoia" and Authoritarian Personality Disorder.
 
If you disagree with second class citizenship for white people, you're racist and you suffer from a mental illness called  "racism."

If you support traditional marriage as one man and one woman, you suffer from a mental illness called "homophobia."


If you believe in self defense when liberals call for you to be murdered, you suffer from a mental illness called "paranoia."

Do not fall into the mental illness trap.  It is a trap for the unwary.

In California, they're already talking about  making  every gun owner  get mentally certified every year as a condition of having guns or even buying ammunition. The mental exam will cost $500.00. 

Who do you think will administer the mental health exam?     LIBERALS, that's who!!!   

[45-70.gov]

if you think you need a 30 shot clip you are insane

[Redtail1949]

I have tried my best to think of a law that would stop stuff like this..there simply is not one. also, anyone that thinks we should start locking up any one with mental problems is a fool. only those that are outright criminaly insane that is ones that tell you they will kill others. you know what i am talking about i am sure.
hower. leaving it up to the legislators to make a determination is a very slippery slope. it would not be long until some corrupt cop, judge, or other in power would start abusing it and send people that had a fight with their wife or a out of control teen to prison and/or take away their right to own a gun. then they would have the lawyers in divorce court arguing that someone needs an evaluation and some leftie shrink or other will declare that that person and their guns should be separated forever. abuse of the system to provide a means to get rid of firearms and or the person would most likely be common place. the gov or its agents would use and abuse. all nations of a communist slant even socialist have used the courts to rid themselves of those that oppose them in some cases they used the system to enable killing them.
no one person has the answer, no one can predict someone flipping out. how many times has everything been good with a person deemed a little strange or even with those that were considered normal..until something happened setting them off into a murderous rage. it can be a fit of jealousness ignited in an instant and death and destruction follows all within minutes or most likely seconds.
they are saying they want to prevent something like this from happening again. OK lets see the so called gun show loophole had nothing o do with this one or some if not all of the others ..so why pass a law about that? FULL AUTO was mentioned so many times in the first days after this one..until someone pointed out to the know it alls that they did not know what they were talking about. now it all semi autos jeese 10 shot clips max mother of god..what idiots,the damage a person can do with 5 shot clips ready to go could even kill more..so what do you do. go to single shots ..well lets see i can load and old single hot 22  pretty dang quick.. i an sure others can as well. look alike m4 or whatever..lunacy..they looks of a gun do not kill. i even heard a woaman newscaster on cnn say  "what does anyone but a lunatic need these guns equipped with a grenade launcher. What? Did I hear right, god almighty, misinformation and outright lies just to stir the emotions of all the people they can. they say "lets have a civil and sensible conversation" when they want no such thing. they want your guns and they are not going to listen to any sane and civil conversation. they are going to pass laws about any and all things they can most that will have no bearing on what has happen recently or happened in columbine or any of they others. They will not accept that they the elite the gifted and all knowing DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER! they will not accept that a person for whatever reason went crazy and started killing.  there was not time enough to see it coming and most likely if his mother saw it she was dead before she could act.
the root cause..started with adam and eve in the garden..cain and able.. and we as humans will see it over and over again as long as we live.
 

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