Author Topic: Is it time to get a single shot rifle ? (Read 1582 times)

Conan The Librarian · « **Reply #30 on:** December 20, 2012, 04:39:09 AM »

I disagree with the idea that civilian firearms should be limited to obsolete military firearm designs. For example, bolt actions instead of semi autos. The state of the art and the state of practice in civilian arms should not be limited like that. For example, semi autos have been standard for longer than bolt actions were standard. In other words, semi autos are normal, mainstream designs.

Likewise with the notion that civilian arms need to be made with wood. Why? Polymers offer more design flexibility, lower cost, and have improved stability over a wide range of temperature and humidity.

Ergonomic improvements should not be limited to military weapons. If a more pronounced pistol style grip results in better performance from the shooter, it should be standard, and it has become so except for nostalgia buffs.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #31 on:** December 20, 2012, 05:12:13 AM »

Quote from: Conan The Librarian on December 20, 2012, 04:39:09 AM

I disagree with the idea that civilian firearms should be limited to obsolete military firearm designs. For example, bolt actions instead of semi autos. The state of the art and the state of practice in civilian arms should not be limited like that. For example, semi autos have been standard for longer than bolt actions were standard. In other words, semi autos are normal, mainstream designs. good point

Likewise with the notion that civilian arms need to be made with wood. Why? Polymers offer more design flexibility, lower cost, and have improved stability over a wide range of temperature and humidity. do they want us to be green or not ?

Ergonomic improvements should not be limited to military weapons. If a more pronounced pistol style grip results in better performance from the shooter, it should be standard, and it has become so except for nostalgia buffs.Well maybe but I find the old style guns like 94 just easier to hunt with .

nw_hunter · « **Reply #32 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:54:50 AM »

Today it's the evil AR15.........Tomorrow it will be the EVIL H&R SS.

They will never be satisified until Americans (Law abiding Americans) are dis-armed.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2012, 10:07:26 AM »

some one mentioned a double gun

well dummy...how long will it be till they come and get that

you don't NEED the type of rifle used to hunt elephants here in america

any optics will make any gun a SNIPER GUN

they just want some reasonable gun laws
reasonable means.....one more than we have
whats the matter.....can't you or the NRA compromise??

coyotejoe · « **Reply #34 on:** December 20, 2012, 12:20:07 PM »

I doubt the blow back will amount to anything more than a reinstatement of the "assault weapons ban". That will be "feel good legislation" which allows the slime balls to claim "we did something" without actually doing anything.
I bought a Colt AR-15 back in the 80's and found it to be remarkably accurate but ill balanced, awkward and ugly and I didn't keep it long nor did I ever hanker for another. Over the years I've also tried out an SKS and an AK-47 and could not find a redeaming virtue to either of them so they didn't last long either. Spray and pray is just not what I'm about. I prefer a firearm with graceful lines, smooth handling, quality of construction and something which instills some pride of ownership. I do most of my hunting with traditional muzzleloaders, many of which I've built myself, but when I do use modern firearms they are single shots, doubles, bolt actions and revolvers. I get a bit annoyed when some black rifle is called a "modern sporting rifle" because we all know damn well it is a semi-auto version of an assault rifle and calling it something else reminds me that "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet and a turd by any other name would still be a turd.
With all that said I still stand by the right of any American to own one if they so desire. It is the height of hypocrisy that the very same people who for years have tried to claim that the second amendment only protects the militia then speak out of their other face to ban the very weapons most suited for militia use on the grounds that they aren't needed for hunting. The second amendment is intended to secure for the people the means to defend themselves against any threat to liberty and has nothing to do with hunting.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #35 on:** December 21, 2012, 07:02:19 AM »

joe

some see the AR as a thing of beauty and don't like muzzle loaders

some think i an odd because i like stainles and neoprene grips on my single action revolver

we all need to just support each other

they were after the 50bmg for awhile but they couldn't get some one to flip out with one

reasonable gun laws will AWAYS MEAN one more law

Conan The Librarian · « **Reply #36 on:** December 21, 2012, 08:12:37 AM »

One of the things about an assault weapons ban now versus in the 1990s is that black plastic stocked semi autos have become a lot more popular since then, so there are likely to be a lot more models on the banned list.

Old Fart · « **Reply #37 on:** December 21, 2012, 09:48:55 AM »

Quote from: Conan The Librarian on December 21, 2012, 08:12:37 AM

One of the things about an assault weapons ban now versus in the 1990s is that black plastic stocked semi autos have become a lot more popular since then, so there are likely to be a lot more models on the banned list.

Or a much broader defintion of what would qualify.

BBF · « **Reply #38 on:** December 21, 2012, 09:51:53 AM »

Quote from: Conan The Librarian on December 21, 2012, 08:12:37 AM

One of the things about an assault weapons ban now versus in the 1990s is that black plastic stocked semi autos have become a lot more popular since then, so there are likely to be a lot more models on the banned list.

We could go with camo or as last resort go pink. The rainbow crowd should support that.

BBF · « **Reply #39 on:** December 21, 2012, 09:55:12 AM »

Quote from: Old Fart on December 21, 2012, 09:48:55 AM

Quote from: Conan The Librarian on December 21, 2012, 08:12:37 AM
One of the things about an assault weapons ban now versus in the 1990s is that black plastic stocked semi autos have become a lot more popular since then, so there are likely to be a lot more models on the banned list.

Or a much broader defintion of what would qualify.

Similar to what I found out up here.
An aftermarket 10 round Mag that fits a Rem 760 will also fit a Rem 742.

The same Mag is legal to own and use on the 760 but a No No with the 742. Arrgh and the make laws. !!

pastorp · « **Reply #40 on:** December 22, 2012, 12:44:19 AM »

We got into this mess when people found out they could vote to get free money. The liberals are working hard to help us to trade our freedoms for dollars.
The SS check I now get is not an entitlement. After all I paid into that system since I was 16. How is that different than a 401 K?
The folks that want free money are fast growing larger than those of us that worked to support this whole mess. I don't believe income tax is even really legal. I mean that's what the Boston tea party was about was it not.
Consider the plot for the government to own America. It's called " reverse mortgage"
The plot thickens. Not only do they want our guns, they want our jobs and our property.

Obama is following the same plan that ancient Egypt used to make surfs of the people.

Just a few thoughts. Regards,

kennyd · « **Reply #41 on:** December 22, 2012, 02:30:26 AM »

Funny how my SS insurance is an entitlement, my soon to come and be need medicare INSURANCE is an entitlement. When we were young remember how we told about "compound interest" and how a few bucks put away would triple or so? Now they tell us how we paid "only" X amount into these things, but will take out more. What did they do with my money? Actually, I know, they put it into the general fund, spent it, and left IOU's.

As for the original question: Yes, it is time to buy a SS just because they are a pleasure to use, if you haven't ever tried.

KIMBER45 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 22, 2012, 02:41:40 AM »

I personally don't see the need to have more than 3 rounds for hunting . After shooting 3 rounds, if the animal isn't dead it deserves a second change. I'm personally tired of the spray and prey hunters. When my dad turned 70, he started hunting with a Ruger no. 1 in 30-06. The one round never prevented him from killing what he shot at.

buffermop · « **Reply #43 on:** December 22, 2012, 03:44:26 AM »

Excellent post Kimber 45

magooch · « **Reply #44 on:** December 22, 2012, 04:05:15 AM »

Quote from: KIMBER45 on December 22, 2012, 02:41:40 AM

I personally don't see the need to have more than 3 rounds for hunting . After shooting 3 rounds, if the animal isn't dead it deserves a second change. I'm personally tired of the spray and prey hunters. When my dad turned 70, he started hunting with a Ruger no. 1 in 30-06. The one round never prevented him from killing what he shot at.

It is entirely dependent on what you are hunting. In any case, the number of rounds a magazine holds is and should be a matter of choice and should not be subject to the whims of a stinking liberal.

RB Rooson · « **Reply #45 on:** December 22, 2012, 04:28:05 AM »

In Cowboy Action matches, I can shoot eight (

rounds in 11.94 seconds with my Stoeger .12 gauge SxS Coach Gun and I am not even considered to be fast.....I guess it all depends on your perception of firepower!

RB

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** December 22, 2012, 04:36:23 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on December 19, 2012, 03:46:40 AM

Well with all the attacks on simi auto anything would it be a good time to buy a good single shot rifle , maybe a revolver , and a dbl. bbl. shotgun for future hunting ?

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You haven't got any yet? In spite of current news, ANYTIME is a good time to get a single shot rifle!

I recently added a CVA Scout (rifle) to my locker ...and just take a look at this beauty available from CZ-Brno.

BBF · « **Reply #47 on:** December 22, 2012, 07:05:46 AM »

I'm afraid to know what those Czech's will set you back.

ironglow · « **Reply #48 on:** December 22, 2012, 07:55:23 AM »

Quote from: BBF on December 22, 2012, 07:05:46 AM

I'm afraid to know what those Czech's will set you back.

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According to their website, that top one is about $1,500+ MSRP...not too bad, considering the quality.. I suppose there may be an "on the street" price, but not sure. Here's an interesting article concerning it.
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2010/09/23/featured_rifles_rs_brnaeffect_200910/

Or take a look at CZ's website. http://www.cz-usa.com/ I have only one CZ, (a 452), but it is a work of art!

BAGTIC · « **Reply #49 on:** December 22, 2012, 08:11:43 AM »

I could get by with a single shot rifle or shotgun for hunting. I am there more for the experience than for the bag and I seldom hit with a second shot what I already missed with the first.
I would want a repeater for home defense or self defense because predators often travel in packs.
I would really miss a repeating, in my case a semi-auto, .22 rimfire because they are so much fun for game playing, also for shooting running small game. It seems that the first sight I usually get of the bunny is when he bolts and a quick follow up shot is often helpful. I know I could use a shotgun but it doesn't seem too sporting and does a lot of damage to dinner.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #50 on:** December 22, 2012, 11:16:26 AM »

last deer i shot was running at 90 yards in the fog

i removed the empty casing from the gun after the deer was in the fridge

i still had 3 more live ones in the mag....but why bother to chamber one

but that doesn't give me the right to tell some else what to use and own