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The NRA's speach.....from their website
« on: December 21, 2012, 07:11:20 AM »
WAYNE LAPIERRE
The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and
daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer
for the families of Newtown, Connecticut … who suffered such
incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.
Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are
known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried
to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully
silent.
Now, we must speak … for the safety of our nation's children. Because
for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one
— nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and
immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right
now, starting today, in a way that we know works?
The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth.
Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press
releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.
And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools
are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.
How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think
about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with
armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants,
courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed
security.
We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret
Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by
armed Capitol Police officers.
Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable
members of the American family — our children — we as a society
leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this
world know it and exploit it. That must change now!
The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of
genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by
voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever
comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody
really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a
school he's already identified at this very moment?
How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of
fame — from a national media machine that rewards them with the
wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while
provoking others to try to make their mark?
A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even
guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active
national database of the mentally ill?
And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger
and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang
members who have spread like cancer in every community in this
country. Meanwhile, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40%
— to the lowest levels in a decade.
So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous
criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in
19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural
or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national
nightmare of violence and victimization.
And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to
conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting
shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.
Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm,
Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one:
it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come
my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or
didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?
Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho"
and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on
"Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that
portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have
the nerve to call it "entertainment."
But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a
way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?
In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one
another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized
society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and
criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of
every month of every year.
A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000
acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.
And throughout it all, too many in our national media … their corporate
owners … and their stockholders … act as silent enablers, if not
complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings,
the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more
laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest
thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that
the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.
The media call semi-automatic firearms "machine guns" — they claim
these civilian semi-automatic firearms are used by the military, and
they tell us that the .223 round is one of the most powerful rifle
calibers ... when all of these claims are factually untrue. They don't
know what they're talking about!
Worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban
— or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people — will protect
us where 20,000 others have failed!
As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those
classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those
police were when they responded, they were unable — through no
fault of their own — to stop it.
As parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is
now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school.
The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally
involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The only thing
that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you
rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile
away ... or a minute away?
Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow
morning: "More guns," you'll claim, "are the NRA's answer to
everything!" Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no
place in society, much less in our schools. But since when did the
word "gun" automatically become a bad word?
A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President
isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United
States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your
living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard
enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough
to protect you.
So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our
President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to
protect our children in their schools?
They're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty
to protect them — it's our right to protect them.
You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said
we should put armed security in every school, the media called me
crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into
Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by
qualified, armed security?
Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have
been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather
continue to risk the alternative?
Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by
fear and hatred of the NRA and America’s gun owners that you're
willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a
lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the
children in her care? No one — regardless of personal political
prejudice — has the right to impose that sacrifice.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is no national, one-size-fits-all solution to
protecting our children. But do know this President zeroed out school
emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped
"Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.
With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget,
we can’t afford to put a police officer in every school? Even if they did
that, politicians have no business — and no authority — denying us
the right, the ability, or the moral imperative to protect ourselves
and our loved ones from harm.
Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of
qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military;
security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and
an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join
with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for
every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can
immediately make America's schools safer — relying on the brave men
and women of America’s police force.
The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources
are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and
they can be deployed right now.
I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is
necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it
now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children
return to school in January.
Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate
over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return
to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school
in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work —
and by that I mean armed security.
Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan
meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local
authorities — and draw upon every resource available — to erect a
cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have
a different solution based on its own unique situation.
Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and
deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place
right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America's preeminent
trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50
years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.
Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That
expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our
children now. We did it for the nation's defense industries and military
installations during World War II, and we'll do it for our schools today.
The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and
resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency
Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security
to building design and access control to information technology to
student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be
developed by the very best experts in their fields.
Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National
Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided
by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a
U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and
Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him
the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and
credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and
running from the first day forward.
If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities,
we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the
security that is only available with a properly trained armed
good guy.
Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this
the best program in the world for protecting our children at school,
and we will make that program available to every school in America
free of charge.
That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive
and indisputable difference in the safety of our children —
starting right now.
There'll be time for talk and debate later. This is the time,
this is the day for decisive action.
We can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act.
We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won’t work. We
mustn't allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us.
We must act now.
For the sake of the safety of every child in America, I call on every
parent, every teacher, every school administrator and every law
enforcement officer in this country to join us in the National School
Shield Program and protect our children with the only line of positive
defense that's tested and proven to work.
And now, to tell you more about the program, I'd like to introduce
the head of that effort — a former U.S. congressman, former
U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Arkansas and former
administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the
Honorable Asa Hutchinson.
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ASA HUTCHINSON
Thank you, Wayne.
One of the first responsibilities I learned at Homeland Security was
the importance of protecting our nation’s critical infrastructure,
and there is nothing more critical to our nation’s well being than
our children’s safety. They are this country’s future and her most
precious resource.
We all understand that our children should be safe in school, but it is
also essential that the parents have confidence in that safety. As a
result of the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, that confidence has
been shattered. Assurance of school safety must be restored with a
sense of urgency.
That is why I am grateful that the NRA has asked me to lead a team of
security experts to assist our schools, parents and communities. I took
this assignment on one condition: That my team of experts will be
independent and will be guided solely by what are the best security
solutions for the safety of our children while at school.
Even though we are just starting this process, I envision this initiative
will have two key elements: First, it would be based on a model
security plan — a comprehensive strategy for school security based on
the latest, most up-to-date technical information from the foremost
experts in their fields.
This model security plan will serve as a template — a set of best
practices, principles and guidelines that every school in America can
tweak, if needed, and tailor to their own set of circumstances.
Every school and community is different, but this model security plan
will allow every school to choose among its various components to
develop a school safety strategy that fits their own unique situation,
whether it's a large urban school, a small rural school or anything
in between.
Armed, trained, qualified school security personnel will be one element
of that plan, but by no means the only element. If a school decides for
whatever reason that it doesn't want or need armed security
personnel, that of course is a decision to be made by parents at the
local level.
The second point I want to make is that this will be a program that
doesn't depend on massive funding from local authorities or the
federal government. Instead, it'll make use of local volunteers serving
in their own communities.
In my home state of Arkansas, my son was a volunteer with a local
group called "Watchdog Dads," who volunteer their time at schools to
patrol playgrounds and provide a measure of added security.
Whether they're retired police, retired military or rescue personnel,
I think there are people in every community in this country, who would
be happy to serve, if only someone asked them and gave them the
training and certification to do so.
The National Rifle Association is the natural, obvious choice to sponsor
this program. Their gun safety, marksmanship and hunter education
programs have set the standard for well over a century. Over the past
25 years, their Eddie Eagle Gunsafe Program has taught over 26
million kids that real guns aren't toys and, today, child gun accidents
are at the lowest levels ever recorded.
School safety is a complex issue with no simple, single solution.
But I believe trained, qualified, armed security is one key component
among many that can provide the first line of deterrence as well as
the last line of defense. And I welcome the opportunity to serve in this
vital, potentially lifesaving effort.

Thank you very much.
It's all a hot mess...........

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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 07:47:13 AM »
I have family in California who have their heads lodged where the sun doesn't shine on this issue, so I posted it on my FB page. They will at least listen to me more receptively than any NRA rep.


This is one of the best works I've seen from the NRA or Wayne LaPierre and we all should pass it on to anyone we can and be prepared to debate in a calm, mature and rational manner.


I would advise abandoning the thought of using the 2nd Amendment at all in your arguements as it seems these days that many are very out of touch with their Constitutional rights.


But rather, focus on "ABC-XYZ" LOGIC!! Backed by factual statistics.


Fortify your "knowledge arsenal" with powder and cannon balls because you will soon be going "ship to ship" with arguments of emotion, irrationality; and in general, a very unrealistic perspective of reality.


Refrain from point fingers at one party or the other and address just the issue itself and address everyone as individuals. You may find that people can be more receptive when you do not tack a political label on them .


Good luck everyone.


Thanks for the post Swift One.

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Re: The NRA's speech.....from their website
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 08:41:16 AM »
I thought the speech was excellent.
 
The media is a disgrace, and hollywood and hoplophobes have the blood on their hands.
 
Ignorant libs.
 
There will always, ALWAYS, be wolves.
There are sheep.
And there are sheepdogs.

 
We give billions away each year in foreign aid.
We have how many men and women in the middle east.
We have SKILLED men and women passionate about security that would line up for the chance to stand guard over defensless kids.
 
May God bless the victims and families.
 

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 09:01:26 AM »
I thought the speech was excellent.
 
The media is a disgrace, and hollywood and hoplophobes have the blood on their hands.
 
Ignorant libs.
 
There will always, ALWAYS, be wolves.
There are sheep.
And there are sheepdogs.

 
We give billions away each year in foreign aid.
We have how many men and women in the middle east.
We have SKILLED men and women passionate about security that would line up for the chance to stand guard over defensless kids.
 
May God bless the victims and families.

That's right.  End foreign aid and put a clamp on Hollywood.   Glad the NRA sees where the problem really is. 
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 09:20:58 AM »
I thought is was a very good, well thought out speech.  DC is still kicking the can down the road trying to figure out the "best" way to face this problem and the NRA is taking action.
It's all a hot mess...........

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 09:49:22 AM »
HC,
I saw your original response. It was over the line. I am glad that you thought better and editted it. Also, you must not have heard the speech before you commented.
 
I should clarify for others that the foreign aid opinion is mine. I never said END foreign aid, but do feel strongly that if funding is an issue in protecting our schools, we reassess our budget and priorities. Charity starts at home.
 
I liked the stance and the proposal of a plan and the offering of resources.
 
Good suggestions, Finisher.
 

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »
And all hussein can think about is taking away the ability to protect our children. shameful....
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 12:04:36 PM »
i listened to the speech on fox news this morning.


La Pierre did an excellent job as far as i'm concerned.


i'm very pleased he stated we're "Standing our ground" as gun owners and admonished the media for being so biased and explained that the MSR's of today are NOT military weapons.


and...what i feel really stood out was the feeling he conveyed that we're tired of being demonized in the media.

what amazes me , most of all, is that many feel the NRA should shoulder the responsiblilty for this and such events...



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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 12:27:21 PM »
The reason we don't see media coverage on the magnanimous statement made by the NRA, but we  keep seeing pictures of kids and funerals, to be later joined by Piers Morgan to continue hammering away against the 4 million families who exercise a right to protect themselves, is because we have a controlled media in America.  It is controlled by an ethnic minority doing it at the expense of the majority.  It's that simple.   8)
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 01:48:31 PM »
Armed guards in schools: Who's going to pay for it? If the right approves RAISING TAXES to do this, it will only apply to public schools, leaving private schools to cover their own rears. Either way, the cost of education, primary and secondary this time, would have to go up. And what happens when these guards unionize? It's a slippery slope, I tell you. Those of us who never had children are already subsidizing those of you who breed through tax credits. It's not fair! I demand equal representation! Death to all fanatics!
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »
The reason we don't see media coverage on the magnanimous statement made by the NRA, but we  keep seeing pictures of kids and funerals, to be later joined by Piers Morgan to continue hammering away against the 4 million families who exercise a right to protect themselves, is because we have a controlled media in America.  It is controlled by an ethnic minority doing it at the expense of the majority. It's that simple.   8)
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IS it that simple?  :-\ ?
That's news to me ??? . I thought it was controlled by corporate entities, funded by heavy hitting market research groups; that are funded by industrial corporate entities that, off of our shallow human foolishness and childish need of superficial material goods, profit obscene obscene amounts of wealth, power, and influence.
Enough to say.... rent a senator or congressmen..., buy a few souls, so to speak.

BUT..... the "ethnic minority", they control it all, you say...

Are they all share holders or employees of the media and corporate entities? ...these PEOPLE who compose this "ethnic minority"?

Because they would have to be such of those organizations as a majority corporate body in order to validate the statement: It is controlled by an ethnic minority doing it at the expense of the majority.  It's that simple.
And since I doubt that such, of my last statement, is not the case; therefore rendering the highlighted statement to be sparse of validity, I can only ask...
HOW DO YOU FIGURE?

Are we discussing how to keep our children safe and how to try and get some sense through to other PEOPLE; or are we picking a very bad time to sling "excrement" at PEOPLE who are different :o


What if the NRA launched a campaign to influence people into leaving their televisions OFF for at least 23 hours a day.
Or pushing a regulation requiring all politicians, as part of the job, to relinquish all privacy out side of family. In other words make them wear cameras at all times and make ALL their activities including any with private and corporate special interests publicly accessible on the net. What would you call that? ACCOUNTABILITY?


There're a couple IDEAS. Sorry I don't have any "prejudicial excrement" to throw.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 02:23:22 PM »
Armed guards in schools: Who's going to pay for it? If the right approves RAISING TAXES to do this, it will only apply to public schools, leaving private schools to cover their own rears. Either way, the cost of education, primary and secondary this time, would have to go up. And what happens when these guards unionize? It's a slippery slope, I tell you. Those of us who never had children are already subsidizing those of you who breed through tax credits. It's not fair! I demand equal representation! Death to all fanatics!
If we can pay for Iraq we can put armed security in our schools. 

Here's a link to the NRA speech.  It is good to watch because the delivery by La Pierre was great.  La Pierre hit the ball out of the park. Way to go, NRA President.  Now if your time is short, go to the 7 minute and after mark.  He points out the name of a video game that has been out for 10 years is called 'Kindergarten Killer' and asks why is it his staff researched and came up with that piece but the national media ignored it but chose to focus on law abiding gun owners.  Unbelievable.  Really.  Where is the media discussing the effects on young adults playing Kindergarten Killer?  Why are they silent? La Pierre attempted to answer that one.  They are silent because the media who are discussing our rights are also the purveyors of violent movies and games, a conflict of interest.  They make a profit on it, on their violent TV shows that are happening everyday, every minute right now. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGzXkZDT0cc
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 03:36:10 PM »
This is somewhat different than what the news told me on my way home from work:  "NRA wants to put armed police in every school".  And they came up with a cost of $80,000 per officer, complete with training, equipment, benefits, and CAR.
It doesn't do any good to point out the misinformation, things like an AR with something that look like elephant rounds as examples of the "bullets".  Truth be known, Colorado will not OK .22 anythings for big game as it is too small in their opinion.


There was a Texas school noted on the news where SOME of the personnel carried.  I do not expect every kindergarten teacher to be mentally or physically able to use a gun, but let those who can do so.  One fallacy with a single guard is that there are more than one door in, and there will be a need for backup; H forbid that a lucky shot takes out the first responder without backup there.


As for limiting what hollywood, games, etc. put out, the public consumes this.  My wife watches murders and gunfights every night, few of them realistic.  Then she gets on me for having my stuff around.  And as much as I dislike some of the shows, there is still a 1st amendment.  I think that if they want to put up the 2nd for being pulled, they should put all 10 bill of rights in the same vote.  This bunch probably would be glad to see all speech, freedom, due process, rights go to whoever has the power (guns)


The news is already that Biden's fact finding has come up with redoing the ban, no study of it's affect, nor of the other things like mental health care.


QDC:  An educated populace is necessary for the common well being.  Where do you think those doctors, airline pilots, mechanics, store clerks come from.  We all benefit from it.  The old quote is "if you think education is expensive, wait 'til you see the cost of ignorance."
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 04:23:59 PM »
No argument from me. I want public funded education through at least the community college level, plus complete public funding for good students through Med School or Doctorate, if they're qualified. And whatever is needed to keep schools safe is OK with me. Problem is, education budgets have been cut so much over the past 20 years or so, I'd doubt the extremists will vote for the taxes. If they don't do something for education, the results ARE going to be expensive.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 04:35:44 PM »
Armed guards in schools: Who's going to pay for it? If the right approves RAISING TAXES to do this, it will only apply to public schools, leaving private schools to cover their own rears. Either way, the cost of education, primary and secondary this time, would have to go up. And what happens when these guards unionize? It's a slippery slope, I tell you. Those of us who never had children are already subsidizing those of you who breed through tax credits. It's not fair! I demand equal representation! Death to all fanatics!

To start we could take the armed guards from congressmen and hussain and redeploy them to the schools.
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 04:41:04 PM »
The NRA and Wayne Lapierre........CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 06:58:45 PM »
This is somewhat different than what the news told me on my way home from work:  "NRA wants to put armed police in every school".  And they came up with a cost of $80,000 per officer, complete with training, equipment, benefits, and CAR.
It doesn't do any good to point out the misinformation, things like an AR with something that look like elephant rounds as examples of the "bullets".  Truth be known, Colorado will not OK .22 anythings for big game as it is too small in their opinion.


There was a Texas school noted on the news where SOME of the personnel carried.  I do not expect every kindergarten teacher to be mentally or physically able to use a gun, but let those who can do so.  One fallacy with a single guard is that there are more than one door in, and there will be a need for backup; H forbid that a lucky shot takes out the first responder without backup there.


As for limiting what hollywood, games, etc. put out, the public consumes this.  My wife watches murders and gunfights every night, few of them realistic.  Then she gets on me for having my stuff around.  And as much as I dislike some of the shows, there is still a 1st amendment.  I think that if they want to put up the 2nd for being pulled, they should put all 10 bill of rights in the same vote.  This bunch probably would be glad to see all speech, freedom, due process, rights go to whoever has the power (guns)


The news is already that Biden's fact finding has come up with redoing the ban, no study of it's affect, nor of the other things like mental health care.


QDC:  An educated populace is necessary for the common well being.  Where do you think those doctors, airline pilots, mechanics, store clerks come from.  We all benefit from it.  The old quote is "if you think education is expensive, wait 'til you see the cost of ignorance."

That's one of our problems.  We're too idealistic.  That is a character trait that allowed the majority people of America, the Anglo-Saxon, to be upended in the last century.  We ditched our ethnic heritage in favor of "universal rights", which resulted in nothing that has ever happened successfully for any race of people in mankind's history.  There comes a time when decisions need to be made not for any "universal rights" but for the people.  Think of it as a "health issue."  We are removing the poison that is infecting our young. 
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2012, 01:16:25 AM »
I'm apppalled at the misinformation the media spews and at the incredible lack of sensibility spit out by school officials over the NRA speech.  I fail to understand how some of these school superintendants get elected or appointed and at how much common sense they lack.  It is no wonder that the children today get such a piss poor education.
 
It seems they all miss the boat, completely, on the need to secure our schools but principaps, school administrators and superintendants simply do not get it. 
 
There are only 4 things that need to be done:  relax the federal privacy laws to allow for coordiantion and interface of gun purchase data with mental health records.  Anyone purchasing a gun who has someone with a mental health history in their home/residence must be able to demonstrate that the firearm is secured and that only they can reach it.  Secure schools with sally-ports that can be observed by armed guards, and with alarm systems directly connected to local pd on windows that can be accessed.  Require all police academies that obtain federal LEO funding to require a percentage of their graduates to serve terms as armed school security, until the next class graduates.  Require at least one person in the school administration, the principal, asst. principal, secretary, anyone who is competant to have immediate access to a firearm.
 
4 plainly common sense approaches but the amount of screaming that school officials would spew should let the communities know that those officials simply are not competant to decide those issues and should be replaced. 
 
Cost - what is more important?  we have armed guards for our banks and money, for our airports and train stations, for our hospitals but not for the children??  Is there not one smart enough teacher or pricip[al out there to understand that a 'gun free zone' simply means a 'target free environment'??  Can they all be that completely, blithely stupid? 

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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2012, 01:20:32 AM »
By the way, has anyone yet shown the world that this murdering little psychopath did not use the Bushmaster?  What the hell did he do, go back outside and put it in the trunk of the car when he was finished with.  Why has non one yet shown the fallacy of the media and the gross stupidity of the school officials who have gone public on the banning for a firearm that wasn't used.
 
Why don't the local cops come out with a definitive statement as to what firearms were used, unless they don't want to slow down or trip up the democrat lust for dis-arming America? 

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2012, 01:52:26 AM »
It would be easier to put fences with electronic locks that you have to swipe a badge through to get into the grounds, plus swiper locks on the doors into the school, like they have at hospitals. Webcams would be a good touch, too.(Just brainstorming.) Then, at least it would take more than just walking up and into the schools with a gun.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2012, 02:51:23 AM »
 Yesterday I renewed my membership to the NRA, while I don't agree with everything that Wayne said, I agree with almost all of it and I agree with the goal of the NRA and that is to protect the rights of gun owners.  We are in tough times ahead if we don't have a strong core defending our constitutional rights as Americans.   Every school in this nation has the ability to fit an armed guard into the equation.  For crying out loud, we have marines taking up post at schools because they feel it is there duty to protect this nation.  Even if it was a revolving guard, sort of like the air marshalls, they impression that there might be a marine behind that door will make these cowards think twice.  Our schools are improving security measures, such as buzz in doors, locking classrooms, etc. These measures will help, but I feel we need to get rid of this gun free zone crap. Talk about putting a bullseye on our kids...
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2012, 04:49:11 AM »
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun
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this is a man that is idolized by the current administration.  obama has grown several agencies with mostly armed men.
so the barrel of a gun is all that will save this country.
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2012, 05:34:42 AM »
I'm not so sure if the NRA would agree with my view, but my view is I "should" be able to have whatever the government has or whatever they issue to the fed employees, and my reasoning is fairly simple. Our government has not only used their weapons against civilians, including women and children both here and abroad, but have also transferred their weapons to criminals as well which could also cause me grief. Therefore I reserve the right to possibly be able to defend myself against these type of weapons.  Any laws that hinder my self preservation against these forces are unjust. The rights I take for myself (and only myself) can't be granted to me. I speak for nobody else. All people must decide themselves what rights they already have or what they think should be granted to them. Most people have already decided.
I did like what the NRA had to say...I agreed with it. I hope to someday hear something from them about being able to protect ourselves from our own government or the employees they employ, as this is also a key point of the second amendment. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2012, 05:53:43 AM »
By the way, has anyone yet shown the world that this murdering little psychopath did not use the Bushmaster?  What the hell did he do, go back outside and put it in the trunk of the car when he was finished with.  Why has non one yet shown the fallacy of the media and the gross stupidity of the school officials who have gone public on the banning for a firearm that wasn't used.
 
Why don't the local cops come out with a definitive statement as to what firearms were used, unless they don't want to slow down or trip up the democrat lust for dis-arming America?

 
On the news I thought I saw a LEO carrying the AR from the car to the school but it was stated later that the AR was found in the school and the gun found in the trunk of the car was a shotgun???
The coroner stated that every child was shot with the rifle???
I don't know which is the truth as you can't even believe what you see anymore.
The rifle had to be in the school or else the anti-gun side would not have a case for any more laws and bans on our guns!!!
Either way, it is something I am sure we will never know the real truth about, just like so many other things that has happened over the years.
You will only see & hear what they want and if something is brought to light they will do a great job of covering it up as always!!!
 
PS:
I am all for armed guards, a panic button connected directly to the police just like the banks have, cameras, all school doors locked, the swipe cards is also a good idea. I also thought about maybe being connected to the panic button when pushed all class room doors lock also.
I am not opposed to my taxes going up some if it is used only to fund the securing of our schools!
Just some thoughts.

 
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2012, 06:02:11 AM »



I did like what the NRA had to say...I agreed with it. I hope to someday hear something from them about being able to protect ourselves from our own government or the employees they employ, as this is also a key point of the second amendment.
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Right you are Jimster, and for some reason ::) this is overlooked by most, and only the right to use guns to hunt is mentioned.This is not what the framers had in mind with the second!The next time someone in the media ask's the question.....Why do we need these so called (Assault)  ::)  guns to hunt?
Someone needs to mention the need to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2012, 06:17:51 AM »
I thought is was a very good, well thought out speech.  DC is still kicking the can down the road trying to figure out the "best" way to face this problem and the NRA is taking action.


The speech is what their members have been saying for years now.

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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2012, 06:31:56 AM »
It would be easier to put fences with electronic locks that you have to swipe a badge through to get into the grounds, plus swiper locks on the doors into the school, like they have at hospitals. Webcams would be a good touch, too.(Just brainstorming.) Then, at least it would take more than just walking up and into the schools with a gun.


I have to agree with this, its a system that all the nuclear sites in this area use. Even a contractor
has to go through this system to gain access to the facility grounds. Visiter passes are issued through
a central security office, but all visitors are escorted by one of the facility staff while they are on site.
NO ONE just walks up to or is buzzed through no matter who they are. I have to give the NRC credit
where credit is due, this is a very effective yet unobtrusive way of doing things and still maintain
a friendly atmosphere.  Good post CDQ.




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I did like what the NRA had to say...I agreed with it. I hope to someday hear something from them about being able to protect ourselves from our own government or the employees they employ, as this is also a key point of the second amendment.
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Right you are Jimster, and for some reason ::) this is overlooked by most, and only the right to use guns to hunt is mentioned.This is not what the framers had in mind with the second!The next time someone in the media ask's the question.....Why do we need these so called (Assault)  ::)  guns to hunt?
Someone needs to mention the need to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
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The people who could give the right answer to that question, are never the center of a news conference.  it's only obama or Boehner or some other liberal.
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2012, 10:37:33 AM »
....A tax on Big Pharma, principly on SSRI drugs, in which they make billions and billions of $$s peryear, yet skate away from any culpability on these kinds of crimes.
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These nuts are on psychotropic drugs to try and treat their mental issues. Medicare / Medicaid offer minimal reimbursements to Dr's, so they cannot allocate the time needed to spend hours on psychotherapy with the patients. Also, you cannot force someone over 18 to take medication and many times the parents don't want to admit their little angel is mentally broken. We can't institutionalize them anymore. The drugs are not causing these people to become nuts. That's why we need to create a database and alert the local police / neighbors of their presence. Same ideas as Megan's Law with sexual predators.
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Re: The NRA's speach.....from their website
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2012, 12:04:32 PM »
NRA response was very very good.
The way to fund school guards might as well be a tax...A tax on Big Pharma, principly on SSRI drugs, in which they make billions and billions of $$s peryear, yet skate away from any culpability on these kinds of crimes.
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