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Iowa court rules boss can fire employee he considers an ‘irresistible attraction’  Published December 22, 2012
Associated Press    A dentist acted legally when he fired an assistant that he found attractive simply because he and his wife viewed the woman as a threat to their marriage, the all-male Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.
 
The court ruled 7-0 that bosses can fire employees they see as an "irresistible attraction," even if the employees have not engaged in flirtatious behavior or otherwise done anything wrong. Such firings may be unfair, but they are not unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act because they are motivated by feelings and emotions, not gender, Justice Edward Mansfield wrote.
An attorney for Fort Dodge dentist James Knight said the decision, the first of its kind in Iowa, is a victory for family values because Knight fired Melissa Nelson in the interest of saving his marriage, not because she was a woman.

 
'These judges sent a message to Iowa women that they don't think men can be held responsible for their sexual desires and that Iowa women are the ones who have to monitor and control their bosses' sexual desires'
- Paige Fiedler, attorney
But Nelson's attorney said Iowa's all-male high court, one of only a handful in the nation, failed to recognize the discrimination that women see routinely in the workplace.
"These judges sent a message to Iowa women that they don't think men can be held responsible for their sexual desires and that Iowa women are the ones who have to monitor and control their bosses' sexual desires," said attorney Paige Fiedler. "If they get out of hand, then the women can be legally fired for it."
Nelson, 32, worked for Knight for 10 years, and he considered her a stellar worker. But in the final months of her employment, he complained that her tight clothing was distracting, once telling her that if his pants were bulging that was a sign her clothes were too revealing, according to the opinion.
 
He also once allegedly remarked about her infrequent sex life by saying, "that's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."
Knight and Nelson -- both married with children -- started exchanging text messages, mostly about personal matters, such as their families. Knight's wife, who also worked in the dental office, found out about the messages and demanded Nelson be fired. The Knights consulted with their pastor, who agreed that terminating Nelson was appropriate.
Knight fired Nelson and gave her one month's severance. He later told Nelson's husband that he worried he was getting too personally attached and feared he would eventually try to start an affair with her.
 
Nelson was stunned because she viewed the 53-year-old Knight as a father figure and had never been interested in starting a relationship, Fiedler said.
Nelson filed a lawsuit alleging gender discrimination, arguing she would not have been terminated if she was male. She did not allege sexual harassment because Knight's conduct may not have risen to that level and didn't particularly offend her, Fiedler said.
Knight argued Nelson was fired not because of her gender, but because her continued employment threatened his marriage. A district judge agreed, dismissing the case before trial, and the high court upheld that ruling.
Mansfield noted that Knight had an all-female workforce and Nelson was replaced by a woman.
 
He said the decision was in line with state and federal court rulings that found workers can be fired for relationships that cause jealousy and tension within a business owner's family. One such case from the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a business owner's firing of a valued employee who was seen by his wife as a threat to their marriage. In that case, the fired employee had engaged in flirtatious conduct.
Mansfield said allowing Nelson's lawsuit would stretch the definition of discrimination to allow anyone fired over a relationship to file a claim arguing they would not have been fired but for their gender.
 
Knight's attorney, Stuart Cochrane, said the court got it right. The decision clarified that bosses can make decisions showing favoritism to a family member without committing discrimination; in this case, by allowing Knight to honor his wife's wishes to fire Nelson, he said.
Knight is a very religious and moral individual, and he sincerely believed that firing Nelson would be best for all parties, he said.
"While there was really no fault on the part of Mrs. Nelson, it was just as clear the decision to terminate her was not related to the fact that she was a woman," he said. "The motives behind Dr. Knight terminating Mrs. Nelson were quite clear: He did so to preserve his marriage.
"I don't view this as a decision that was either pro-women or opposed to women rights at all. In my view, this was a decision that followed the appropriate case law."
 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/22/iowa-court-rules-boss-can-fire-employee-considers-irresistible-attraction/?test=latestnews#ixzz2Fn3QuJVf
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2012, 03:51:45 AM »
I know of cases where a person was fired for no reason at all and it was upeheld by the NLRB.  Rightly so and this was where the worker was covered by a union contract.  The freedom to terminate has to be mutual; the boss, or the employee should be able to make that decision at any time in a free society.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2012, 04:24:33 AM »
man , we are constantly being confused with Ohio and Idaho.

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 09:42:14 PM »
Don't know how I've kept my job all these years....
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2012, 09:52:01 PM »
Don't know how I've kept my job all these years....


 Dang it! You stole my response!  ;D
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 05:18:50 AM »
My understanding is that you have right to hire states and right to work states. In a right to hire state the employer can fire you if they don't like the way you dress or whatever. The state I live in, Alabama, is a right to hire state.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2012, 05:58:54 AM »
She should sue the socks off this guy !

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 06:05:06 AM »
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You might be in danger anywhere you are employed.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2012, 07:16:14 AM »
  and Williamlayton stole mine(line) LOL
 
 The way I see it, its not fair to her. But on the other hand it is not fair to the employer to keep a person around that may cause a harassment suite later on  ;)
 
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2012, 10:37:08 AM »
This thread is worthless without pictures. How hot is she? 8)

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 01:22:38 PM »
She should sue the socks off this guy !

For what?
The worker has the right to quit anytime they want without having to give the employer a reason.
So the man writing the checks should be allowed to hire and fire anyone he wants.

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 02:43:50 PM »
I agree with the decision.  He is the business owner, and if there is something that is going to be a detriment to his success as that business owner, he can make those decisions for himself. 
 
But...  he is a douschbag, and his wife should leave him.
 
Basically he just said: if this girl keeps working here, I'm GOING to cheat on my wife.  Or if the chick says no sexually harrass her or whatever it may come down to. 
 
If my love openly admitted to wanting another man... she'd be out the door in two seconds flat. 
 
So this line....  "Knight is a very religious and moral individual"
 
is complete BS.  I mean, we all fantasize now and again...  No married moral individual will has realistic plausible fantasies, and admit to considering acting on those fantasies in the furture. 
 
The court is right, he is a DB, chances this happens again???  Pretty good.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2012, 02:58:18 PM »
I would wonder along the same lines as shaggy BUT the guy seemed to be already having an affair, and the worker had been employed for 10 yrs.

he wasn't sexting her while his wife was around in the same office and NOT cheating, of that I'm sure.

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2012, 03:33:29 PM »
I guess now Obama has a good reason to fire Hillary.

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2012, 03:38:54 PM »
i saw some average -lookin' blonde gal
on t.v. with this story. . . .
where's the irresistable babe that yall
are referring to?


kinda obvious she didn't want anything to
do with dr. hotpants, so he put her out
the door to look square with mama.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 05:06:38 PM »
She should sue the socks off this guy !

For what?
The worker has the right to quit anytime they want without having to give the employer a reason.
So the man writing the checks should be allowed to hire and fire anyone he wants.




I agree!It's his business to make or break. I don't either should have to have an excuse to terminate or quit. I do think Both should give notice, so they have time to look for other employment, or time to hire someone else.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2012, 05:13:38 PM »
she should be getting a LONGTERM severance package, and unemployment insurance for sure since she didn't do anything "wrong" (related to job performance, that anyone will ADMIT to) to get fired.

she should sue the guy, though if she was whoreing for her boss (seems that way) she won't win much if any money.... at least it would get the guy embarrassed for being a philandering piece of garbage, and he'll be hiring uglier women in the future to keep his wife happy /// keep him from straying  :P

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 05:22:08 PM »
In most places, anyone can be fired at anytime for any reason or no reason. That's not the same as discrimination, which is about not being hired in the first place.


Take a look at all the people in their fifties that get fired every day because, ahem, their position has been eliminated, or there were budget cuts, or they committed a minor infraction that is a firing offense when the employer wants to trim some dead wood.



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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 01:05:58 AM »
The article is some kind of FOXy 'sparkler' article. In 'at will employment' states, which most states are,,,,you simply don't need a reason for terminating any employee; and most employers don't give a reason unless its something quite obvious,,,theft, fighting, etc. BTW, is this Iowa or Ohio...?
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 That's true, but only in theory in many States.


 Fire someone in CA (at-will employment State) without cause? Forget it. The employer will be contacted by the employee's lawyer upwards of 90% of the time, asking for the reason his client was terminated. Accusations will fly and the employer almost always folds rather than go to court. That often means paying an employee to go away and having them sign a hold-harmless statement.


 If my company wants to terminate someone, the legal department has to clear it. If there isn't a pile of iron-clad documentation to justify it, it doesn't happen.




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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 07:48:53 AM »
IMO that guy should stop his daily intake of Cialis and go back to the "as needed" pill.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 10:23:39 AM »
What I hear in the background is mrs. Dentist--crossing her legs.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2012, 12:29:41 AM »
If the ex-employee is in a 'protected group'..(age, disabled, minority, etc) than the employer better be on point with his dismissal. I don't think there is any protected group for being HOT!


 That's just it; almost everyone falls into one or another protected group now. Young white males are about the only ones NOT in one. As far as "hot" goes, that generally means a female and they are indeed a protected group.


 I've had employees register all kinds of discrimination complaints against me over the years. One said I didn't like him because of his tattoos. Another said the only reason I wrote him up was because I didn't like the team logo on his ball cap. HR at my company is required to open investigations about such complaints and I have to answer to them no mater how frivolous.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2012, 02:15:38 AM »
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She should sue the socks off this guy !
She did. She lost.
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2012, 05:50:47 AM »
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She should sue the socks off this guy !
She did. She lost.


So what ! In some cultures they cut off your hand for being a thief. Perhaps we should take on that
practice here and cut off something else !  ::)


Now be nice Anna, people might think you have an Elena Bobbit complex .  ;D 

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2012, 09:24:28 AM »
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She should sue the socks off this guy !
She did. She lost.


So what ! In some cultures they cut off your hand for being a thief. Perhaps we should take on that
practice here and cut off something else !  ::)


Now be nice Anna, people might think you have an Elena Bobbit complex .  ;D

 
 
 
 
 
 
Yeah, well.................... :-\  somewhat typical female response, go for the crotch. ::) ;)
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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2012, 09:56:39 AM »
A male has SO much more chance of losing his job without recourse than a woman in our society. 
 
If any man, especially a white man, say's, "I was descriminated against!"  Pretty much everybody's answer is "bull$&%^."
 
So if you want to talk about reprocussions in the work place from other societies.... how about we even the playing field??? 
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2012, 10:07:45 AM »
Like most women are going to go for some creep at work. Barf,this dentist is suffering from little man
syndrome. And I don't mean how tall he is.  ;D
What a disgusting cry baby. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2012, 10:18:16 AM »
So what ! In some cultures they cut off your hand for being a thief. Perhaps we should take on that
practice here and cut off something else !  ::)


I'm thinking the wife probably went all Levitical on him and already did; just didn't make the news.


Actually, the guy fired her for HIS problem. Should have found her another job. All those dentists know each other.
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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2012, 10:21:10 AM »
So what ! In some cultures they cut off your hand for being a thief. Perhaps we should take on that
practice here and cut off something else !  ::)


I'm thinking the wife probably went all Levitical on him and already did; just didn't make the news.


Actually, the guy fired her for HIS problem. Should have found her another job. All those dentists know each other.


Thank you Pow Pow, that is exactly what this is all about. You can put after shave on a pig, but its
still just a pig.

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Re: Ohio court says boss can fire employee for being too irresistable.
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2012, 10:24:37 AM »
You're welcome. now go get me a beer.
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