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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2012, 04:43:09 AM »
Looks like a lost cause.  At least one of the barrels looks like it is ready to fall to pieces.  It also appears that someone attempted to restore the truck.  What do you think could be done with them?
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2012, 04:55:43 AM »
They are pretty rough. :-\
What monetary value does something like that have?
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 11:04:57 AM »
Rust never sleeps!
I think redesign might be a better term to describe what was done to that poor carriage.
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2012, 01:59:09 PM »
Carriage bastardized, zero value.
Cannons...  terrible condition.  Probably not properly conserved on recovery.   I don't know the answer but wonder if iron cannon are correct to period claimed?   

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2012, 02:15:01 PM »
They are pretty rough. :-\
What monetary value does something like that have?
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In my opinion, scrap value at best
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2012, 03:07:18 PM »
Give 'em back to the fishes!
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2012, 07:38:18 PM »
My rule is that when the barrel has rusted to the point where the trunnions look like nipples on each side of the barrel, it's time to walk away. 

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2012, 07:42:19 PM »
Interesting height modification to the carriage though.

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 06:35:40 AM »
There was an antique shop/auction house in PA that had a pile of these rusting away in the back lot back in 2000-2001 in about the same condition.... it's a pity these guns are torn from the ocean floor with no idea how to conserve them..... right now they are not much more then scrap.....
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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 05:10:12 PM »
The one tube looks like it was hit on the muzzle, its a guess, but these look like decommissioned guns used for ballast. If the crud were chiseled off, they might look a little better, at least as an ornament someplace.

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 08:14:02 PM »
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If the crud were chiseled off, they might look a little better
On iron pieces recovered from saltwater like these, old ones, the chlorides from the salt water leach in from the outside-in and from the bore-out at the same time, so most say 18th C. guns are pretty well full of chlorides.  They cause the iron to flake apart.  Taking flaky iron off the outside just exposes flaky iron deeper down, so I don't think you will find guns like this that get better-looking with removal of outer layers.
 
One exception I've noted is the very heavy Civil War-era siege and seacoast guns that came from a sunken barge off the US southeastern coast.  The iron on those is so thick that in 100 years the chlorides didn't penetrate all the iron, and some folks have been able to grind down the worse spots to restore them to the same general shape they had orginally, with lots of body putty etc. required to fill in the larger potholes.  However unless someone has spent the time and money to put them through an electrolysis treatment, they won't be stable and will need rework over time as more metal flakes off,

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 07:52:04 PM »
Well, by Crud, I had meant the concretions, but that would probably just pull off lots of iron as well. Soak em in Rustoleum, and sit them on the lawn till they crumble I guess.

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Re: Cannons that could use a bit of TLC
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2013, 02:21:10 AM »
Unless there was solid evidence that these cannon had a major historical connection of some kind, I doubt that anyone serious would purchase them, and then pay for conservation.
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