Author Topic: new to me Huntsman 45 caliber ML (Read 3105 times)

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **on:** December 26, 2012, 12:12:05 PM »

Ok, so I just baught ($109) a 45 caliber H&R huntsman marked, AS receivered muzzle loader. its got the brass ram rod and a longer handguard with plastic barrel band. its no. 11. I know nothing of the H&R's in the black powder models. As much as I've read is its a '78 model, transfer bar (not sure what that means). Would it be possible for me to throw this barrel on a SB1 frame? or a topper jr frame? 45cal round balls (.457") will not even begin to fit in the barrel, even without a patch. but a patched .430" fits snug... Im so confused... $:-\$

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #1 on:** December 26, 2012, 07:17:38 PM »

Read the owners manual (it is a sticky at the top of this forum) minnies shoot much better than round ball. Kurt

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2012, 03:52:36 AM »

Just noticed that it doesnt have a removable breech plug... Looks like it was pressed in there.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:19:00 AM »

It's prolly exactly that.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,260127.msg1099539732.html#msg1099539732

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:22:45 AM »

Thanks Tim

are these particularly valuable? I got it 'cause I thought I'd be able to run 45-70 cast through it but thats not going to work.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:30:21 AM »

I don't know about valuable as I got two here from the classifieds that I thought were too inexpensive to pass up! $:-\$ A 45 and a 58!

Trouble is everybody kept saying "You'll put your eye out with them things!" And "Those guns are why the old H&R went nipples north!

Don't know how true that is, haven't had a chance to shoot them yet.

I did just get a Lyman mini ball mould for the 58 though!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:33:42 AM »

Lots of em bought and sold in the H&R Classifieds, they aren't rare, of course one that is in like new condition would fetch more money than one in average condition, I looked for it in the BBGV, couldn't find it.

Tim

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »

While we're on the subject of Huntsman 45 cal ML's, I was wondering if anybody could tell me what type of primer or cap the one in this link uses. The barrel is for sale on ebay (I have no connection with the item being sold).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-R-Huntsman-45-Cal-Black-Powder-Rifle-Barrel-28-inches-/170963953424?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

The seller originally stated #11 caps, then said that it used 209 primers (which seems more logical based on the last photo). How is this BP removed, also is this an "after market" BP.

Apologies, if this is a little off subject.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2012, 06:36:22 AM »

looks like 209 to me

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2013, 03:42:26 AM »

I just spoke witha Mr. Ben Hubbard at Hubbard Outdoors and now have a conversion on the way

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:33:21 PM »

Quote from: fluffyphydeaux2010 on January 09, 2013, 03:42:26 AM

I just spoke witha Mr. Ben Hubbard at Hubbard Outdoors and now have a conversion on the way

Let us know how that works out for you!

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:38:17 PM »

definately will. i really want to try to throw it on a SB1 receiver. I threw it on a spare for shiggles and gets and it was snug and fit well. will the SB1 handle it?

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2013, 12:00:45 PM »

Quote from: fluffyphydeaux2010 on January 10, 2013, 04:38:17 PM

definately will. i really want to try to throw it on a SB1 receiver. I threw it on a spare for shiggles and gets and it was snug and fit well. will the SB1 handle it?

Absolutely!

Quote from: fluffyphydeaux2010 on January 09, 2013, 03:42:26 AM

I just spoke witha Mr. Ben Hubbard at Hubbard Outdoors and now have a conversion on the way

By any chance do you know if he has, or makes a 209 conversion breech plug for a "push in" type Huntsman 45 cal ML?

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2013, 12:47:41 PM »

awesome and it is the push in style breech plug. he said he'd ship it and I can send him a MO when I get it

AtlLaw · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2013, 01:37:28 PM »

Quote from: OldSchoolRanger on January 11, 2013, 12:00:45 PM

By any chance do you know if he has, or makes a 209 conversion breech plug for a "push in" type Huntsman 45 cal ML?

Good question!

I've got a 45 and a 58 with push in breach plugs! 'course I use holy black so I usually don't have ignition problems. $:-\$ But that's with my sidelocks... never shot my Huntsmans.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2013, 02:57:43 PM »

mr ben hubbard makes em.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2013, 04:18:35 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on January 11, 2013, 01:37:28 PM

Good question! I've got a 45 and a 58 with push in breach plugs! 'course I use holy black so I usually don't have ignition problems. $:-\$ But that's with my sidelocks... never shot my Huntsmans.

I also have never shot my .45Cal Huntsman, because I didn't like using the #11 primers. Now it's a whole new ball game.

Quote from: fluffyphydeaux2010 on January 11, 2013, 02:57:43 PM

mr ben hubbard makes em.

Great! I plan on ordering one tomorrow.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2013, 04:34:32 PM »

oldschoolranger, I think he's only open monday through friday. I'll PM you his phone number

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2013, 05:06:29 PM »

Thanks for the info.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2013, 02:49:18 AM »

Thanks Fluffy!

OSR, when you get yours let me know what you think. I like #11's and as I said I don't anticipate really needing a hotter primaer since I use Black Powder. So there's no hurry for me.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:57:08 PM »

still no conversion

waiting game is on. has anyone else ordered one and got thier's?

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2013, 04:30:23 PM »

I ordered 2 a few weeks ago. Came right away. The reason I went to 209 primers for my 5 Huntsman is that the caps caused corrosion in the firing pin hole in my first one. Had to take the firing pin out to clean it up after it froze up.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2013, 06:45:36 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on January 12, 2013, 02:49:18 AM

Thanks Fluffy!

OSR, when you get yours let me know what you think. I like #11's and as I said I don't anticipate really needing a hotter primaer since I use Black Powder. So there's no hurry for me.

AtLaw - I ordered the 209 conversion breech plug for the 45 Huntsman on the 14th of January, as of this date, I'm still waiting. I can't complain tho, it's been 11 degrees outside, not figuring the wind chill factor. So all things considered, I'm probably happier to be indoors the last couple of days.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 25, 2013, 08:36:19 AM »

Yesterday, I spoke with Mr. Hubbard. He said it'd be faster to go through the gentleman he sells them to in bulk. Its some shop out of Ohio.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #24 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:14:56 AM »

Did he give you any info on the Ohio guy?

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:54:27 AM »

He did, but I couldn't understand him. He seemed in a hurry.

fluffyphydeaux2010 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 02, 2013, 08:16:43 AM »

I found the website a week or so ago, warrencustomoutdoor.com and ordered the part. Came in the mail today and screwed right in! can't wait to shoot it

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #27 on:** February 02, 2013, 07:37:22 PM »

fluffy,
That's the conversion for the push in breech plug right? Is it possible to get a photo posted? I want to see what it looks like.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #28 on:** February 03, 2013, 03:52:14 AM »

Okay, lessee if I remember this all now... $:-\$

One can buy a Huntsman push in breech plug that uses the 209 shotgun primer;

Other then the ignition medium it is no different then the existing breech plug;

The extra "fire" is not necessary for the BP I use;

Said plug would allow me to try that new propellant (what is it? Black something 209?

) in my huntsmans.

Is that about it?

Sorry guys, still on my first cup of coffee and the caffeine hasn't cut through the senility yet!

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 03, 2013, 04:03:18 AM »

Actually, the one I bought screws in place of the nipple. The point is that the percussion caps cause corrosion of the firing pin hole (at least on mine) causing things to freeze up. The 209 doesn't do that since the "fire" is contained. Unless you live in a open ignition state (I do) changing to primers isn't a big deal. In an open ignition state, you can bore a hole to let the rain get in and foul your cap. Oh well...