35 Whelen Misfire/Accuracy

[ZacH_GrifF]

I'm honestly not sure what the problem is not one of my misfires will fire on second try. And the primers look like there dented enough to go off. And this is a brand new rifle too. You would think they would have fixed the problem buy now but oh well.

[quickdtoo]

I wouldn't be too quick to blame the rifle, I've had bad primers before, I've dumped a couple hundred Remington due to no fires, usually if the gun is at fault, they'll fire on the second hammer fall.

I just looked at the wollf springs site and they only showed topper shotgun springs do they use the same springs in the handi's? And how do I know if I have double coil or single coil springs?

I didn't see where anyone answered this, if they did, I missed it. All modern H&R/NEF single shot firearms use single coil springs, the double coil are for pre-transfer bar H&R Inc firearms with rebounding hammers. Why Wolff calls em Topper I have no idea, other than coil count, they're all the same.

FWIW, every H&R I've done a trigger job on(dozens) has a Wolff XP hammer spring in it, I buy em by the 5-pack to save a little. 

Tim

[ZacH_GrifF]

Tim sorry but did you mean they already have wollf springs in them or you put wollf springs in every trigger job you do? And thanks for clearing up on the double single issue.

[quickdtoo]

H&R firearms don't come with Wolff springs, although it would be a great idea, I replace the factory srping when I do a trigger job, there's a noticable difference between a new H&R sping and the Wolff spring. 

Tim

[sr sawyer]

Mine likes the Hornady 200gr  Light Magnum loads, shoots under 2" @ 100 yds and have not had a FTF.  Might want to try these before sending it back. 
 
After all, primitive season is just around the corner and odds are it will not be back in time.
Good Luck with it.
 
Ken 

[ZacH_GrifF]

I will be sending it back after deer season is over with. I've heard a lot of people having misfires with the Hornady ammo but each gun is different so.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

I would like to see some serious research done on the 35W.

I have a couple of my own ideas, as I am planning on getting a couple of 'em, and I like to research as much as I can about them so I know what to expect.

first thing, I think is the H&R QC on chambering.   I am getting an impression that H&R chambers on the big side of SAAMI specs.  this allows them to save dollar on reamers by being able to sharpen them a couple times if need be.   If you get a rifle that has been chambered by a new reamer, it will be on the big side.

second: ammo manufacturers are finding ways to save a buck here and there.

think about this:  if you can save 1% per cartridge on brass, and you make 1 million cartridges a month, you will save approx. 14,000,000 grains of brass.  that is one ton of brass....   at over $3/lb that is a savings of over $6000/mo. 

now if YOU were running a business, you would look at that $6000 as your bonus money!  $72000/yr is nothing to sneeze at when you deal with tiny margins.

and there seems to be agreement that cartridges are being made on the small side of SAAMI specs.
and in the head area, even LESS than SAAMI on some!

so, Max chamber, Min (or less) cartridge on a sloping, small shouldered round, and you end up with stacked tolerance error.

proper fireforming should correct this, as well as proper handloading techniques, but SUCKS for factory cartridges if you have a sloppy chamber.

there is a reason Rimmed came before Rimless

just my $0.02

[blind ear]

We just need a rimmed 35 Wheelen. yea rimmed!- ear

[Dinny]

We just need a rimmed 35 Wheelen. yea rimmed!- ear

I hope to avoid all the misfire problems by using 7x65R brass necked up to 35cal and by having Wayne York do the rechamber.

Just need a rim counterbore cut on existing Whelen barrels. Reed's has Prvi and RWS brass in stock. Both are already annealed too.

Thanks, Dinny

[blind ear]

Dinny, apologies, missed that post. Are reamers and dies common for that recahmber? ear

[Dinny]

Dinny, apologies, missed that post. Are reamers and dies common for that recahmber? ear

Yes, it's all 35 Whelen, just with a rim counterbore cut.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=269589.0

Thanks, Dinny

[blind ear]

I see

[gcrank1]

Hey 700, Id be hesitant to go to all the messing around sending the rifle in for what might be an ammo problem. Cartridges that have WELL dented primers and dont go off after repeat strikes does not say rifle to me.......Have you checked with Rem. about sending them the FTF ammo? (on their nickle too).
Now, if the primers are not getting a good hit, and that apparent good dent is just from repeated light strikes that just collapsed the primer head down to the anvil without enough force to make it bang, it very well could be the 'too short Lifter/Striker (Transfer Bar assembly)' That syndrome begins with occasional FTF and progresses to more and more. The hammer falls and squeezes the Striker portion out below the firing pin (like a wet watermelon seed under your thumb) so little impact is sent through the firing pin. You can watch that (use a fired cartridge with spent primer in chamber) from above to get an idea what I mean. Cock it, watch the T-Bar rise into place squeeze the trigger and watch the hammerfall and what the T-Bar does. BTW, keep the trigger pulled back after the fall; ie, dont be too quick to let it back up.

[ZacH_GrifF]

I was shooting Barnes bullets and just bought some Remington bullets last night and I'll shoot them this weekend then I might try some federal fusion ammo before I send it in. 

[bm330]

sorry to hear of you problems,  i also live in mississippi and purchased a handi 35 wheelen for the premitive weapon season.  between family and friends we have a toatal of 5 of the handi 35 whelens and so far are very happy with them.  we have shot remmington,  barns,  hornady and federal fusion shells just to try to see which one the rifles liked the best.  we shoot appx 1 1/2 groups with all shells with exception of the federal fusions,  we were all over the place with them,  but we have had no mis fires.  my handi 35 whelen quickly became my favorite,  so far i have taken 2 deer,  on at 300 yards and one at 50.  hope you get your problems corrected.

[gendoc]

sorry to hear of you problems,  i also live in mississippi and purchased a handi 35 wheelen for the premitive weapon season.  between family and friends we have a toatal of 5 of the handi 35 whelens and so far are very happy with them.  we have shot remmington,  barns,  hornady and federal fusion shells just to try to see which one the rifles liked the best.  we shoot appx 1 1/2 groups with all shells with exception of the federal fusions,  we were all over the place with them,  but we have had no mis fires.  my handi 35 whelen quickly became my favorite,  so far i have taken 2 deer,  on at 300 yards and one at 50.  hope you get your problems corrected.

thank you for that post bm330 and thats even with store bought ammo !!!!  thats great............
 

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

I'm looking at picking up a couple 35W this spring.

as loaded ammo is silly expensive up here, it is going to be a handloading scenario for me.

to that end, I have some virgin 270Win and 280Rem brass to fireform.

I'm leaning to the 280, as it has the longer headspace dimension, so I should be able to just push the shoulder back until the action just closes, then do a COW shot.
If the chamber is a bit long, the 270 will exhibit similar problems a 35W would.

also, as I don't have a 280, the brass markings won't be mixed up.