Author Topic: .327 Fed (Read 1695 times)

bckskin2 · « **on:** January 01, 2013, 02:27:32 AM »

Does anyone besides Ruger make a hand gun in .327 fed?

Flash · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2013, 03:09:54 AM »

They're not producing the SP101 any longer

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2013, 04:58:27 AM »

Smith and Taurus come to mind. Now as far as how current that is I'm not sure. Something like the .327 might be something they would make every other year or so, sorta on an as needed basis. I can't believe their is not one of the above at a distributor near you.

With all the craziness it may well be something that you can still get at a reasonable cost as well. I would make double damn sure I had a pile of ammo to last me. That stuff will likely be made right after .25acp, .25-20, and quite possibly .44 Henry rimfire. That is not to say it will never be made but it won't be a priority.

Brett · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2013, 06:22:29 AM »

Charter Arms used to make one the called the Patriot but I think it too has been discontinued. I don't know of any current production models in .327Fed.

It's a shame that the .327Fed never took off. Ballistically it is the near equal of the .357Mag but in a more compact cartridge which allowed for 6 chambers in a small J-frame sized revolver.

Ruger, Smith, Taurus, Charter Arms and a couple smaller outfits and custom shops made small frame 6 shot revolvers in .327Fed. Ruger also made a few 7 shot GP100s and 8 shot Black Hawks chambered for the .327Fed.

I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to find one of these on one of the on-line auction houses or bigger on line dealers.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2013, 01:22:45 AM »

Too bad about the SP101 and the .327 fed. It was a little small for personal defenses, but I think it would be a great farm gun. My current one is a .22 Single-six. what got me thinking about the .327 again is my wife shot a big possum and it took two hit to kill. I think light weight .357 with a 4" would do the job too. I have even though of a Black Hawk in SS. They are a little heavy for day to day use.

Mikey · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2013, 01:37:18 AM »

I'm still not sold on the 327. It's like comparing the something or another to the 30-06 or the 45 acp - why bother getting what some paid gunwriter thinks might be a good comparison when you can get, much more easily, what they are comparing it against.

At first the 327 was compared to the 38 Spl - ok, so why bother with a 327 when you can get the 38 Spl.; then it was comapred against the 357 - bad choice of comparisons as there is no comparing a 327 against a 357, period. Sure, you can shoot the different 32 caliber revolver loadings through the 327, but you won't get anywhere near a 38 spl. For that matter, in a decent revolver you can get the 32-20, which the 327 can compare to but not surpass. And let's not forget the lowly Tokarev/30 Mauser pistol round, which has been doing for years what the 327 has wanted to do since it came out.

In fact, give me the same weight and configuration (flat nose/hp/sp) slugs used for the 327 in proper bore diameter for the 308 bore of the Tokarev/Mauser round and the 327 will fade away. jmtcw.

Mikey · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2013, 01:38:23 AM »

bckskin2: are ya sure it wasn't playin' possum?

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SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2013, 01:51:04 AM »

I have one and can assure you it is not close to a 357 mag. It may come close to a +P+ 38 spl. maybe on paper. What is it good for as far as self defense ? well for someone who has a hard time with more powerful rounds it offers the ablity to shoot 32 longs for pratice then 327 fed mag or 32 HRM for defense. Some will argure it gives a 6th shot in a J frame size gun , it does but one could counter a good 38 spl +P may negate the need for an extra round in many cases .
What I would like to see is an adapter that would allow the 327 FM to be shot in a 308 rifle , I inquired about such with a company that makes adapters and they feel the pressures of the 327 FM are to high to work well. I guess the fact the adapter dosen't streach to seal is the problem.

Mikey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 02, 2013, 02:17:40 AM »

Shootall: are you saying the bore diameter on the 327 is 308?? That would make my heart beat fast, being able to shoot a cast swc style slug from my Tok.

As for the 327 through a 308 adapter - should work very well. I have/had a Tokarev adapter and a 30 Luger adapter for the 308 and have one for the 30-06 and whether it is a handload or a factory pistol load or a older mil-spec sub-gun load, they work fine through the adapter and I have yet to have one crack. I am certain the pressures on the Tok round are a bit higher than those for the 327, and a properly fitting adapter should seal to your chamber nicely. One thing I am certain you already know about is that once a steel adapter is fired in a chamber, it is fire formed to that specific chamber, and it will seal in the chamber. Some folks I know use a automotive gasket sealer to keep the adapter in the chamber until they want to go back to the rifle cartridge. One problem with adapters though is that there is a pretty loooong jump from the case mouth to the rifling, which may affect accuracy from your rifle.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2013, 02:35:15 AM »

I called MCA sports they say they won't make the 327 as the pressure is to high. I don't know the pressure of the round you mentioned . They do make 32 HRM adapters though. The 32 auto dia bullet works in the 308 bore well they say. I have seen other ads for 32 long in a 308 rifle .

bckskin2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2013, 04:29:58 AM »

I have actually thought of a Yugo M57 or a CZ52 as they are in about the same power range. Are there good commercial ammo for them? At around 35oz the are not too heavy.

Mikey · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2013, 03:34:21 PM »

Shootall: thanks, that's very interesting about the 327 pressures but it is a straight-cased magnum cartridge so I s'pose it should have the attendant high pressures of a magnum cartridge regardless of the bore diameter.

bckskin: either/or, your preference. Love my Tok, felt the CZ too big to be comfortable, roller block system not any stronger than the Tok design. M57 has one more orund, so stock up on M57 mags as I don't know that the TT33 Tok design magazines will fit - maybe they will??

Ammo: Sellier and Bellot, reloadable, new manufacture, factory specs at 1400'/sec from the Tok barrel; nice stuff. PRVI - also good stuff, right at the same velocity range. Wolf - haven't tried it, don't know but it's commie type manufactured pistol ammo for commie style pistols, so it oughta work; velocity has to be up there too and it also comes in soft point.. Winchester wants both yer gonads for a box of their White Box ammo , which is crap. On the custom side, Ron Reed a supporter on Greybeard and a custom ammo maker produces ammo spefically for both the Tokarev and the CZ pistols. Good luck.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2013, 12:38:19 AM »

Mikey, He wasn't playing. After that 2nd .22 mag he was quite dead. Big guy. No exit wound so she must have hit bone or all that fat stopped it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2013, 04:47:48 AM »

Mikey , The pressure is as it relates to the adapter and a seal . Stainless steel does not act like brass and seal.

williamlayton · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2013, 12:54:49 AM »

I got this here M16 with a 5 1/2" barrel that I had bored out to shoot .327mags and it is a fun shooter, I can tell you.
The idea came from hammerdown.
Ble

ThunderStick · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2013, 11:26:58 AM »

I have always been a fan of the 32s and the 327 fits rite in there with the rest of them! I have all 3 of the Rugers, the S&W 632 and a 2 inch Taurus. The introduction timming of the 327 couldn't have been much worse. The round was touted as a great way to get an extra round into the same size revolver as the 38/357s (6in the SP, 7 in the GP, 8 in that big ole BH frame)! Where they dropped the ball was NOT putting this fine round into a sutable sized sporting frame, and a nice handy carbine!

tobster · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2013, 02:53:30 AM »

I have always liked the 32-20 so it's hard for me not to like the .327. I would like to see Marlin chamber the 1894 in this cartridge. A friend bought an SP101 for his wife because she liked shooting the mild 32 long cartridges for practice. He stumbled across a GP100 in .327 and I really liked the feel of that revolver. I would like to see something like a Ruger Bearcat shopkeeper in .327 as I missed out on the birdshead grip single actions Ruger made a few years ago. If I had to choose, I would still take my J-frame .38 over the SP101 327. Fortunately, I haven't had to.

As an afterthought,something on the order of a Stevens Crackshot in .327 would get my attention also.

williamlayton · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2013, 03:43:17 AM »

The problem I have is with the manufacturers. It is an ample round for a lot of applications but they want to put it in a little pocket pistol. The dadgone thing is so loud in the little guns and the kick is pretty wild that it defies the experience-- I own two, but that's another story--.
In k or L frames with longe barrels it is a wonderful experience and accurate.
Would make an adequate self-defense round.
Blessings

ThunderStick · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2013, 07:39:07 AM »

I cary the GP100 daily as a CCW. I tricked it out with Eagle secret service grips, and a set of mepro light night sights. Some 5 Star speed loaders added to the mix make it quite capable of some good showings at our local IDPA matches! I can tell you that my 100gr cast hand loads put down the steel poppers harder than the 9mms! The 100gr Federal American Eagle factory loading is realy rough on the poppers because they dimple the surface badly, at 50 yards!
My wife loves to shoot the mild 32H&R I load for her to practic with, because in the smaller guns the full power loads hurt her arthur too badly to shoot very many of!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #19 on:** February 24, 2013, 12:25:24 AM »

mikey its an easy task to run a 312 bullet through a 309 sizer and use them in a 30 cal rilfe. I do it all the time in my 3030.

Quote from: Mikey on January 02, 2013, 02:17:40 AM

Shootall: are you saying the bore diameter on the 327 is 308?? That would make my heart beat fast, being able to shoot a cast swc style slug from my Tok.

As for the 327 through a 308 adapter - should work very well. I have/had a Tokarev adapter and a 30 Luger adapter for the 308 and have one for the 30-06 and whether it is a handload or a factory pistol load or a older mil-spec sub-gun load, they work fine through the adapter and I have yet to have one crack. I am certain the pressures on the Tok round are a bit higher than those for the 327, and a properly fitting adapter should seal to your chamber nicely. One thing I am certain you already know about is that once a steel adapter is fired in a chamber, it is fire formed to that specific chamber, and it will seal in the chamber. Some folks I know use a automotive gasket sealer to keep the adapter in the chamber until they want to go back to the rifle cartridge. One problem with adapters though is that there is a pretty loooong jump from the case mouth to the rifling, which may affect accuracy from your rifle.

Mikey · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2013, 01:56:21 AM »

Lloyd: I'm confoosed....are you saying the 327 bore is a .312 diameter? If so, yes a .312 cast slug can be sized down to .309 and that should work well enough in the Tok. Right now I'm using Hornady .308 jacketed soft nosed slugs in the Tok - 6 gns of Unique or 13 gns of H110 net me 1400'/sec from the end of the Tok barrel. I would like a nice keith style cast slug, possibly with a gas check, traveling at the same velocity. I think such would make a excellent small game round and a very, very nasty personal defense load.........

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:12:15 AM »

People shoot 32 long thru. 308 bbls all the time with adapters with out resizing the bullet. Some 7.62X39 is .311 and with the QC of some off shore ammo it would not be a streach to see some .312 alot of which was shot in older Ruger rifles .

williamlayton · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2013, 01:08:44 AM »

I am confused Shootall---please explain the process and the adaptor.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2013, 09:34:41 AM »

MA out of Alaska makes these adapters that will fit bolt action rifles or in some cases only Thompson Center break open action guns. In my case I got one to fire a 30 carbine round in my 308 winchester. I could have gotten a 32 HRM , which will also shoot 32 long and snort. I could get one to shoot 32 acp. , 30 luger etc. You load and fire . The adapter comes blue or stainless steel it looks like a fired case but it had a chamber for what ever bullet you choose to shot in it. Check it out on line .