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Are We running out of surplus guns to buy???
« on: February 14, 2004, 10:35:33 AM »
Ever since the Civil War (some say the Revolutionary War) there have been surplus arms (from one country or another) offered for sale to the general shooting/collecting public. I this age of the fully automatic millitary weapon, a gun that is all but banned in this country  :evil: are we running out of good surplus collector/shooter arms? The long in tooth M16 can be converted (civillized) to semiauto but their prices are out of "joe sixpack" collector shooters range. What are your thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2004, 06:44:24 PM »
There are literally 1000's of these surplus semi-autos available in all kinds of variations to even meet California Regulations. Prices on semi-autos range from about $300 to $600. You can get bolt actions for under $100.

My favorite at the moment is the CETME...it is an early Spanish version of the HK. Everyone should own one! Interested just e-mail me. And I can give you the info on what to look for and the price you will pay.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2004, 01:18:48 AM »
The out look for new fully automatic changed over to semi-auto's comming into the country is slim.  Unless Century Arms steps up to the plate again like they did with the Cetme and makes some others for us.  The only gun I can think of is the sks's made by other countries(Germany & Poland ect.) so maybe we will see some other versions. There will always be recycled surplus at gun shows for us(older stuff).  There are also older collections being recycled too back for us to pick from which I'm seeing now and then at dealers. There are alot of semi auto's to collect from the 40's thru the 80's that are a hoot to shoot.  There is a flood of mosins and mausers right now and how long can it last for them too.  So what will the future bring us?  I guess we are just going to have to wait and see.  If the military surplus supply dries up we can either collect modern guns or blackpowder of course we will have to dig deeper into or wallets but it is good to have some sort of plan.       BigBill

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 03:36:13 AM »
Absolutely we are "running out" of the best surplus rifles. The pattern seems to be that a big batch of rifles/ ammo is released and the market is flooded...for a while. The Swedish Mausers were dribbled out over a period of decades and the price remained stable at around $100 or maybe a litttle better for a very long time. Now, the last ones have been shipped. Checked the price on this lovely relic lately? The same thing happened on a much larger scale with the German 98, the SMLE and others. Yes, they're still around but the import flood has stopped and prices are way up. The current VERY GOOD THING is the Schmidt-Rubin. I smile when I see people fretting about whether they'll be able to find ammunition sufficient to justify the purchase of a $150 rifle. I'm not making fun, guys, I did the same myself, briefly. Look, this is an absolutely beautiful, unique, accurate, fast-firing work of art. They must have all come over at once because the retailers are giving them away but the RELATIVE quantity of them is small. When they're all in closets there won't be any more coming over. Same with ammo. For many years you could buy beautiful, annealed, brass, non-corrosive ammo for the 7.65 Belgian (Argentine) for a dime a round. Suddenly, it's going up because the supply, while large, was limited.
I like the Moisins just fine and there may well be so many of them yet to come that we'll always be able to pick one up for $80. But they're not a Swede or a 98 or an Argentine or a Schmidt-Rubin (or a Krag or trapdoor or '03.) If you see something you really like, better grab it. The Golden Era of Surplus lasted a long time but it's sho nuff over now.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 04:53:17 AM »
Absolutely !

There will not be many to be had in the next ten years
unless there is a drastic change in the laws of this country.
Surplus Ammo will dry up first though I would bet.

I think politics will stop our guns first before the surplus
 runs out anyway.  I have a feeling about this next
election, a bad feeling !!!

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Stock up and bury it deep!!!
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2004, 07:02:27 PM »
You bet! The times, they are a'changin! Have been into mil/surp since I got my first three (M1 Carbine, 1911A1, and SMLE) in 1962. We will never see the quanity or quality we have enjoyed in years past. I agree, if you see and want it, get it. I also agree on the comment on ammo. I've been stocking it away so long my wife thinks I've got a screw loose. I told her that after the Lord takes me home, she can get a table at a gun show and have lots of fun. If the availability goes down, the price will just go up
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2004, 05:00:26 AM »
The CETME was originally full auto.  Century is importing the guns, torching the receivers, then building semi-auto guns.  

FALs were originally full auto, too.  The STG-58 and Imbel G1 parts kits that you see for anywhere from $100 - $300 are nothing more than disassembled guns with the receivers cut to make them legal to import.  DSA is selling SiG PE57 and AMT parts kits that are, as far as I know, buildable.  If you can get a semi-auto receiver and enough US made parts to comply with 922(r), you should be cool with those, too.

Pure surplus guns will become harder to come by, though.  Semi-autos and bolt-guns can be sold without modification.  Full auto guns have to be rebuilt to be semi-auto and in a way that the ATF approves as not being able to conver to full auto to be legal.  Unless the National Firearms Act of 1934 is repealed, it will always be that way, unfortunately.  I don't see that as a likely occurance.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2004, 07:57:04 AM »
Whats your opinion about military gun and surplus ammo sales picking up after 9/11?  Do you think that most feel unsafe now in the post 9/11 era?
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Right after 9/11 I seen a guy at my local store buying many bricks of 22lr ammo so I think that 9/11 did get our attention or awareness about personal home protection.  There has been an increase of consealed carry permits here too after 9/11 so that would mean handgun sales are up too.

I still like my idea of a remington 1100 12ga belt fed that would sure be the thing for law inforcement  for bad guys and our armed forces too in the bad lands over there.  For up close and personal work.  I wonder why they never caught on to the street sweepers?

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2004, 08:12:12 AM »
Well Bill,
 I think that people may have finally realized
that the Police and Military simply cannot be
every where at once to protect us from the
bad guys !!!   I Know that firearms sales
have increased dramatically since then. (9/11)
I pass an outdoor Shooting range in Temple
Georgia a couple of times a week and that
place is always busy now!
Something else is happening though that I am
not sure if it is good or bad!  Milita membership
seems to be increasing also. I know a "BUNCH"
of folks who are now in weekend training very often.
Almost all of them are in their late teens and
early Twenties. (Do they know something us oldsters don't)?
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2004, 03:58:26 AM »
S.Sumner now that you mention it my last trip to the range was to do a handgun shoot with my son. And there was many older guys(well older than me) there some with their wives too shooting. So the older crowd is arming themselves too.                                         BigBill


There was a guy who was just shot here in Waterbury,Ct.  he was a homeless man who broke into an empty house but the house wasn't empty the owner was there sleeping in it.  The owner buys vacant houses and fixes them up.  The homeless guy tried to sue the owner but it was thrown out of court lastweek because he broke into the house. The moral of the story is the homeless guy should of knocked first? (kidding)
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2004, 05:53:01 PM »
It is not that we are running out of surplus rifles to buy, it is our State and Federal governments makeing so that it is harder to import these weapons for sale here.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2004, 05:33:15 AM »
I guess Slick Willie stopped some importations but maybe if the AWS ban will die it may open the door for imports again.  I'm sure there is more russian and chinese stuff waiting to arrive here.         BigBill


I hope there is more YUGO 8MM ammo at Century soon if not its drying up already.

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2004, 08:06:51 AM »
I'm hoping they don't dry up TOO soon.  I really want a Schmidt Rubin, and have plenty enough cash for it, but my parents (who I'm still living with, though I'm 22) keep giving me the creepy eye when I buy another gun (I've only got 8 of them, which though a lot by their standards, is not many to a lot of collectors).  I'm trying to space them out some, but don't want things to sell out before I get a chance to buy them :(.  What's weird is they knew I applied for a C&R, knew what it was for (I was excited and just about everybody I talked to knew what is was for ;)), but then they are surprised when I actually want to USE the darn thing to obtain a few rifles :roll:.  The Schmidt Rubin will probably be my next purchase, and then a Mosin Nagant.  After that I'll start looking at Mausers.  EVENTAULLY I'd like to put together a collection of rifles from every country that fought in WWII. That would make for a heck of a nice display :).


On a better note though, military surplus HANDGUNS generally aren't much different than they were 90 years ago.  I can definately see there being surplus military sidearms available for some time.  As said though, I doubt we'll be continueing to get the infantry rifles made past the 1950's or so :(.

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2004, 12:12:28 PM »
Hey guys, your getting me down. I'm just starting to look at collecting some of this history, so please don't tell me they're gone. I owned some AR-15s, and Mini-14s, but not the piece of history that these guns are. Is it just possible that after the Iron Curtain fell, and the USSR was split, that there was such a flood that this now looks like a dry time? I have to admit to not seeing a 1903 or Krag for sale, and the price of M1 carbines has surged way out of proportions, but most others are still reasonable, compared to current new rifle prices. The semi-autos don't hold the same fascination for me that the bolts do, but if we're stuck collecting them in the near future, things could be much much worse. If nothing else, you may have speeded up my acquisition schedule.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2004, 12:11:59 PM »
Modern guns will always be around to buy if you want surplups now is the time to get your C&R FFL and get going while the prices are still reasonable and get the surplus ammo too while its still around cheap. We will still see surplups for sale at gun shows after they runout from wholesalers and dealers but who knows what the prices will be.   We will have to keep an eye on the 8MM surplus ammo I think its the first one to dryup if it happens.                                            BigBill

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2004, 04:10:25 PM »
Quote from: S.Sumner
Well Bill,
 I think that people may have finally realized
that the Police and Military simply cannot be
every where at once to protect us from the
bad guys !!!   I Know that firearms sales
have increased dramatically since then. (9/11)
I pass an outdoor Shooting range in Temple
Georgia a couple of times a week and that
place is always busy now!
Something else is happening though that I am
not sure if it is good or bad!  Milita membership
seems to be increasing also. I know a "BUNCH"
of folks who are now in weekend training very often.
Almost all of them are in their late teens and
early Twenties. (Do they know something us oldsters don't)?


After reading this again at the last gun show here I can remember hearing over and over the younger guys asking for AR15 stuff more so than any other gun show I've been to.  Anyone who had AR15 stuff made money that day.  It got me thinking after I read your post again all these young guys here own AR15's.                              BigBill

I guess there is some insecurity amongst the younger crowd and all ages after 9/11.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2004, 04:06:47 AM »
The best buy in military surplus is probably the "Schmitt-Rubin" right now, a delight to shoot and the straight-pull bolt action is unique in itself.  Very accurate rifle and many are in excellent condition.  But......

1.  Shop around for a good one (sparkling bore, minimum amount of dings and dents).

2.  Two (2) months ago, locally they were $100.00, "NOW" the price is up to $149.00, funny what supply and demand will do isn't it?

3.  and don't let the nay-sayers on 7.5 x 55 ammunition scare you off.  There is still plenty of GP-11 around and a fairly intelligent horse could figure out where to get it!!

By the way, our horses in Texas do understand buying guns and tradin' for others.......
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