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Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« on: January 02, 2013, 05:02:31 AM »
Indiana hospital fires 8 workers who refused flu shot  Published January 01, 2013
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  GOSHEN, Ind. –  A northern Indiana hospital has fired eight employees who refused to get flu shots under a new policy intended to protect patients from the potentially deadly illness.
IU Health Goshen Hospital officials told its staff in September that flu shots would no longer be optional for staff, affiliated physicians, volunteers and vendors.
 
Hospital spokeswoman Melanie McDonald told The Elkhart Truth for a Monday story that the new requirements came as a recommendation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Medical Association and other major health agencies.
McDonald said patients with compromised immune systems are at a heightened risk for illness and death from the flu and protecting them is the hospital's "top priority."
"The flu has the highest death rate of any vaccine-preventable disease, and it would be irresponsible from our perspective for health care providers to ignore that," she said.
Other regional hospitals, including Elkhart General Hospital and South Bend Memorial, recently introduced measures similar to IU Health Goshen Hospital's plan.
At Elkhart General Hospital, flu shots are now mandatory for anyone who regularly enters the hospital including all medical staff, paid employees, students, vendors and volunteers, said hospital spokeswoman Shelley Rody.
 
Joyce Gingerich, who was fired from her job as an oncology nurse at IU Health Goshen Hospital for refusing to get a flu shot, said she understands the hospital's position, but she couldn't get a flu shot because it would have gone against her religious beliefs, which she describes as nondenominational Christian.
"I knew that I could not compromise my personal belief system for a job," said Gingerich, who had worked at the hospital on and off since 1987. "It was really sad to leave that job. In all my years of nursing, it was my favorite."
 
Because IU Health Goshen Hospital staff had the option under the new policy of filing medical or religious exemptions from the vaccination, Gingerich and three others hired Alan Phillips, an attorney in North Carolina, to write their exemption recommendations.
But hospital officials rejected their exemption applications.
 
McDonald said a group at the hospital reviewed the exemption requests using guidelines provided by the CDC and the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, or EEOC. She said one of the most common medical exemptions is for people with severe allergies to the vaccine, but religious exemptions are a little more complicated.
"The EEOC's guidelines specify that just because there are beliefs that are strongly held does not mean that they are protected by a religious blanket, so social, political and economic philosophies and personal preferences, those are not religious beliefs," McDonald said.
Sue Schrock, who had worked at the Goshen hospital as a hospice nurse on and off for the past 40 years, also had her exemption application rejected. She said her decision to decline the vaccination was, in part, "God-led."
 
Schrock said she believes people can stay healthy by taking natural vitamins, eating well and exercising, and they don't need to get a flu shot.
"I'm a pretty quiet, spiritual person, and for me, it was a big decision, but it was something that was very meaningful for me not to have in my body," she said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/01/indiana-hospital-fires-8-workers-who-refused-flu-shot/#ixzz2GpnYz5f1
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 03:45:09 PM »
I was hoping for some comments because I have mixed feelings about this. IF the employees knew shots were required before being hired they already agreed to take them. If it is suddenly a NEW policy, then I can see the employees point.
I can definitely see the hospitols point too. It cuts way down on absences from sickness and patients get better care with a full staff, not to mention the germs involved from working sick. Not sure what I'd do if I were an employee, but as for me I'd probably be greatful that my employer cared enough to provide the shot for me. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2013, 05:18:37 PM »
I wonder how common a policy like this is in horse-spittles. Im trying to figure out what the religious objections might be.  The policy seems like its probably a reaction to a recent flu outbreak at caused problems at hospitals.

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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 09:26:43 PM »
many people in the hospital are susceptible to infections which could be life threatening. such as organ recipients since their immune system is suppressed.
I would fire any person who failed to take a flu shot.
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 10:25:45 PM »
many people in the hospital are susceptible to infections which could be life threatening. such as organ recipients since their immune system is suppressed.
I would fire any person who failed to take a flu shot.

So you're a libertarian until it comes to someone else deciding if they want their yearly shot of poison from the gov't?
 
If the flu shot actually worked, less people would be getting the flu, doncha think? Heres just one article from minn, lots more can be found with a google search....
 
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/health-officials-this-years-flu-season-could-be-severe/
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 10:57:21 PM »
many people in the hospital are susceptible to infections which could be life threatening. such as organ recipients since their immune system is suppressed.
I would fire any person who failed to take a flu shot.

So you're a libertarian until it comes to someone else deciding if they want their yearly shot of poison from the gov't?
 
If the flu shot actually worked, less people would be getting the flu, doncha think? Heres just one article from minn, lots more can be found with a google search....
 
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/health-officials-this-years-flu-season-could-be-severe/
A hospital is more than just a place to work.  if an employee is willing to endanger some patients, that employee needs to go.  some patients have to be isolated from the general population, but that won't help much if the nurse is dripping with flu germs. they could KILL people.

and no, I am not a libertarian, they say abortion is okay.  a person has every right to refuse a flu shot, but they don't have a right to expose already sick people to a deadly virus.
my wife watches GMA and they have a lady named Robin who just underwent a marrow transplant and the flu would have killed her. 
I am joining the Constitution party who believe in the sanctity of life.

BTW, your link just strengthens my argument about the danger of a person with the flu in a hospital.
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 03:40:21 AM »
I get the flu shot every year because the flu aint what people call the flu. Most people you see sick have a cold and a cold will get you down a few days to a week but the flu will take your legs out and is bad.
The flu shot dont always stop the flu and want stop a cold. It will maybe lessen the flu.
If you watch how they do people at hospitals you see how they help make people sick. They pack everyone hacking, coughing, sneesing in the same waiting room with furniture that is never cleaned, send you to the same room to take your money, run you like cattle by the same equipment etc.
Their employee policy on sickness want let them stay home and get better at most hospiltals and a cold can be just as bad to other patents.
I would say the big pharma's want more money and know they have a sector that must be beaten into shape. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 03:52:32 AM »
I get the flu shot every year because the flu aint what people call the flu. Most people you see sick have a cold and a cold will get you down a few days to a week but the flu will take your legs out and is bad.
The flu shot dont always stop the flu and want stop a cold. It will maybe lessen the flu.
If you watch how they do people at hospitals you see how they help make people sick. They pack everyone hacking, coughing, sneesing in the same waiting room with furniture that is never cleaned, send you to the same room to take your money, run you like cattle by the same equipment etc.
Their employee policy on sickness want let them stay home and get better at most hospiltals and a cold can be just as bad to other patents.
I would say the big pharma's want more money and know they have a sector that must be beaten into shape.
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 09:20:17 PM »
  Don't see the big deal.  If one doesn't want to get a flu shot, they have every right to quit and find a different job that doesn't require a shot.
 
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 02:42:46 PM »
Personally, I'd be more comfortable knowing that my nurse had cared enough for her job and patients to be vaccinated. I can think of no logical reason to NOT take the shot, I welcome it every year and haven't been down bad sick since starting them 9 years ago, Patty has gotten the bug a few times but nothing like it used to be. I'm all for them.
 
THe hospitols FIRST and only real concern is the health, safety, and wellfare of it's patients. I reckon like DAKOTA ELK SLAYER said, folks don't want the shot are free to go elsewhere. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 07:15:01 AM »
No one has any right to force me to put something into my body PERIOD! It doesnt matter what my occupation is you have no right to force me to take a vaccination. If they wanted to come up with a more reasonable policy they should have cratfed one that states that if you are not vaccinated then your supervisor can send you home without pay if they feel you are displaying signs of the flu at thier discretion. Instead they put patients and staff at risk by firing nurses with experience and creating a short staffed situation. Now those patients at that hospital get lower quality care all the way around. makes perfect sense doesnt it?
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 07:38:17 AM »
No one has any right to force me to put something into my body PERIOD! It doesnt matter what my occupation is you have no right to force me to take a vaccination. If they wanted to come up with a more reasonable policy they should have cratfed one that states that if you are not vaccinated then your supervisor can send you home without pay if they feel you are displaying signs of the flu at thier discretion. Instead they put patients and staff at risk by firing nurses with experience and creating a short staffed situation. Now those patients at that hospital get lower quality care all the way around. makes perfect sense doesnt it?
When the employee starts showing symptoms, it's too late. as this article  says, the damage is already done.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cold-flu/contagious.htm
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 02:10:11 PM »
How about just sending any employee home, when they have cold or flu like symptoms?Sounds to me like the sensible thing to do.
About the new flu shot! I have been taking them for years and haven't had the full fledged flu. My wife refuses to take them and has never had the flu :-\ "That said" about a month ago I had my (NEW) live virus flu shot, and was in bed six hrs later with all the flu symptoms. Took about 24 hrs to get over the thing.I had to sign a consent form before taking it. (First time to do so). No more for me!
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 04:05:52 PM »
HUNTER. LIVE virus?? Are you sure?? They told us that NOBODY uses a live virus shot anymore. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2013, 05:13:03 PM »
"I'm going to force you to do (insert your cause here) against your will because it is for the greater good."  What group of people does this sound like?
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 05:14:39 AM »
If we allow sick people to take care of sicker people, it endangers lives.  a hospital is not your ordinary workplace. a hospital is for saving lives, not taking lives.
I think the founders would want us to use common sense.
Why don't we allow all prison guards to carry sidearms?  because common sense says don't do it. is that against a persons rights?
Hospitals and prisons are very different than the places we encounter on a daily basis.

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 10:13:09 AM »
Its all about one word CONTROL someone telling someones else what they HAVE to do!!! 39 yrs old not ever taken one and never will i do practice hand washing ALOT

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 12:22:30 PM »
It seems that a few here would take away a sick persons right to live rather take a shot, or stay away from that sick person.
Do you know how overbearing and even childish you sound? "It's  my constitutional right to endanger the life of another human being"


Whatever happened to HONOR?  Whatever happened to caring for your fellow man?
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 01:37:44 PM »
So sorry to disappoint you. Why should a healthcare worker have less rights than a non healthcare worker?  A fast food worker might come into contact with sick people and endanger their lives. Maybe we should also take away their right to refuse unwanted medical procedures? Hell maybe we should just make it a federal law that everyone has to have a flu shot or any other vaccinations they want to shove down your throat and back it up with stiff fines and time in jail for all sheeple who fail to comply. Does that sound honorable to you?
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2013, 02:04:24 AM »
This is a case of the hospital management, like management always does, trying to sluff their responsibilities off on their employees and blame them for something the hospital management is responsible for. I've got news for y'all, and you're not going to like it: health care used to be a profession, full of dedicated professionals; since it's been taken over by for profit corporations, insurance, and pharma, it is now an industry. A bunch called The Joint Commission rates hospital management on how they're serving the public. They make periodic visits and take off points when they see substandard issues. Lose enough points and the hospital loses its accreditation, and most of its Medicare and insurance funding. EVERY time a hospital loses points, they throw it back on the employees. EVERY time.

That hospital is short staffed--- they ALL are, because management wants to keep their bonuses. They have been dinged on infection control, and, rather than staffing appropriately, they have blamed the staff that they do have. They really fired those people to keep the rest in line. Here's the thing: you can scream about employee vaccinations being to protect the patients all you want, but it's not true. Pediatric patients, immunocompromised patients, and anyone over 60 who come into the hospital are automatically vaccinated anyway, unless they refuse the shot--- at no cost, supplied by the USPHS (Thank you, federal government!). In fact, EVERY patient is offered the vaccination if they have not had it, so, if the vaccinations work, the patients are already protected.

Here's a hint. Those employees were not disciplined by the state licensing board, nor did they lose their licenses, because annual flu vaccinations have nothing to do with standards of practice. They were FIRED by an employer trying to cover its ass.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2013, 02:18:29 AM »
I don't get the flu shot. Last year when I was in the hospital they tried to give me a flu shot I refused and signed a refusal form. I won't get a flu shot either. The flu vaccine could acually kill me. So don't get the flu vaccine and roll the dice or get the flu vaccine and head for the hospital. Since I don't enjoy hospitals I'll pass.
 
There are some vaccinations that are good but when it comes to the flu there are to many types to give just one vaccination as a cure all. I was given a polio vaccination when I was little and haven't needed one since. Why does one need an annual flu vaccination? Which flu strain is it for? How many strains of flu are there?
 
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2013, 02:48:21 AM »
Quote from Comrade W R:
"Do you know how overbearing and even childish you sound? "It's  my constitutional right to endanger the life of another human being"

Comrade,
By the above quote you just gave anti-gunners the best line I have heard to use for gun control.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2013, 03:18:53 AM »
Quote from Comrade W R:
"Do you know how overbearing and even childish you sound? "It's  my constitutional right to endanger the life of another human being"

Comrade,
By the above quote you just gave anti-gunners the best line I have heard to use for gun control.
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you have control of your gun.  you do not have control of the flu virus.   as the above link says, when you get the symptoms, it's too late.  by getting the shot, you cut the chances of spreading the virus in half.
Sick people have the right to expect SAFE hospital care.  oh, I forgot, people with life threatening illnesses don't have rights. ::)
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I will not deliberately endanger the life of an INNOCENT person.
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how would y'all like to be hospitalized with your immune system suppressed and be cared for by a doctor or nurse with a contagious disease??
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2013, 04:08:35 AM »
I've said before that nobody should be forced to get a flu shot or do anything against their will.....

but it's obvious that most here don't give a hoot about their fellow man.  as wharf rat said, you all should be ashamed.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:35 AM »
Now I am curious. To everyone who is supposedly "pro freedom" but is also OK with a hospital forcing an employee to undergo an unwanted medical procedure, where would you draw the line at an employer's "right" to dominate the lives of thier employees?
 
Most of the hospitals around here went to being smoke free campuses. That means no smoking on hospital property. Its thier property and they can do what they want. But then someone came up with the bright idead of regulating employee activities while they are off duty and have gone to a smoke free policy accross the board. Is it OK to tell an employee they may not even smoke in thier free time because they may smell like smoke at work and it may aggravate someone's medical condition? Is this OK or going too far?
 
The next logical step would be to ban alchol use off duty as well. Would that be OK or too far?
 
I have dogs. When I report for work I might smell like dogs and have dog hair and dog dander on me. It might aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital be allowed to tell me to get rid of my dogs and that I am no longer permitted to own dogs while in thier employ? Would that be OK or going too far?
 
I like to shoot guns. I may show up for work with gun shot residue on my body. It may aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital tell me that I am no longer allowed to fire guns in my free time so long as I am in thier employ? Would that be OK or is that going too far?
 
I heat my house with wood. I may show up for work smelling like wood smoke and it may aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital be able to tell me that I cannot heat my house with wood so long as I am in thier employ? Is that OK or is it going too far?
 
I like to roam the woods. There is a small chance that I may not find a tick that has attached itself to my body before I go top work. It may fall off at work and spread tick borne illness. Should the hospital tell me I can no longer be a woods bum in my free time as long as I am in thier employ? OK or too far?
 
I believe in freedom with no exceptions. It is apparent this belief makes me an aged dinosuar in today's well heeled society. What are your exceptions when it comes to the freedom of others to govern thier own destiny?
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 05:43:16 AM »
GUYS. This has been a good discussion, exactly what I was hoping for. I see both sides but definitely would not want a sick nurse tending to me just because she didn't want a flu shot. Those objecting might be better off in another job. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2013, 05:45:31 AM »
lakota, you are getting ridiculous.  we are talking about HOSPITALS AND LIFE THREATENING ILLNESSES. 
yes dog hair could trigger a life threatening allergic reaction, but most people take a shower before going to their job in the hospital.
what about not wearing a gun as a prison guard.  would you assert your rights and wear it among dangerous criminals.  you would be fired if you insisted on it.  there's that old common sense bugaboo again.
Our founding fathers had more common sense than most do today, but they couldn't write every possible scenario into the bill of rights.  they assumed that future people would use some common sense in their interactions with other people.

I care.  some don't.
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2013, 05:52:46 AM »
Now I am curious. To everyone who is supposedly "pro freedom" but is also OK with a hospital forcing an employee to undergo an unwanted medical procedure, where would you draw the line at an employer's "right" to dominate the lives of thier employees?
 
Most of the hospitals around here went to being smoke free campuses. That means no smoking on hospital property. Its thier property and they can do what they want. But then someone came up with the bright idead of regulating employee activities while they are off duty and have gone to a smoke free policy accross the board. Is it OK to tell an employee they may not even smoke in thier free time because they may smell like smoke at work and it may aggravate someone's medical condition? Is this OK or going too far?
 
The next logical step would be to ban alchol use off duty as well. Would that be OK or too far?
 
I have dogs. When I report for work I might smell like dogs and have dog hair and dog dander on me. It might aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital be allowed to tell me to get rid of my dogs and that I am no longer permitted to own dogs while in thier employ? Would that be OK or going too far?
 
I like to shoot guns. I may show up for work with gun shot residue on my body. It may aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital tell me that I am no longer allowed to fire guns in my free time so long as I am in thier employ? Would that be OK or is that going too far?
 
I heat my house with wood. I may show up for work smelling like wood smoke and it may aggravate someone's medical condition. Should the hospital be able to tell me that I cannot heat my house with wood so long as I am in thier employ? Is that OK or is it going too far?
 
I like to roam the woods. There is a small chance that I may not find a tick that has attached itself to my body before I go top work. It may fall off at work and spread tick borne illness. Should the hospital tell me I can no longer be a woods bum in my free time as long as I am in thier employ? OK or too far?
 
I believe in freedom with no exceptions. It is apparent this belief makes me an aged dinosuar in today's well heeled society. What are your exceptions when it comes to the freedom of others to govern thier own destiny?
Good grief, take a shower before you go to the hospital.
yell "FIRE" in a theater and see where your "no exceptions" gets you.
You have the right to govern YOUR OWN destiny.  but YOUR RIGHTS end where SOMEONE ELSES RIGHTS begin.
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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2013, 06:35:12 AM »
Why are you depending on someone else's actions to assure that you yourself do not get the flu? If you are concerned about the flu then you should get the vaccination yourself and not expect someone else to be vaccinated against thier will for you. If you are depending on  someone else's actions to provide for your health and safety then we could also argue that you shouldnt carry a gun for self defense or have one in your home for self defense because someone else (like the police!) will defend you.
 
Hospitals are filthy dirth places and there are much more dangerous dirty little microbes to worry about than influenza virus. Read up on MRSA (Methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus) if you really want to be frightened by something. That nasty little bug will put a healthy person right down for the count and there is no vaccination to protect against MRSA and its always MRSA season in any given healthcare facility.
Hi NSA! Can you see how many fingers I am holding up?

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Re: Ind hospitol fires 8 workers for refusing flu shot.
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2013, 07:11:35 AM »
Lakota, I got my flu shot in October.
you still refuse to answer my question.  would you insist on wearing your gun if you were a prison guard.

and concerning rights.  I said that your rights end where someones elses' rights begin.  could you address that?

And Doctor TM7, is that you that heads the CDC?


Give me liberty, or give me death
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