Author Topic: LEO Mindset? (Read 1693 times)

.22-5-40 · « **on:** January 03, 2013, 08:22:31 PM »

Hello, everyone. Since the topic of gun owner rights has been in the spotlight..There is something that bothers me..the use of the term "civilians" used by some LEO when refering to "ordinary" citizens. By using this term, does this imply that they think of themselves as some sort or quasi-military force...and not subject to the laws of the land..as non LEO's are? If this is true, then we might have a very dangerous group of people in our midst.

keith44 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2013, 08:38:10 PM »

yes, they are trained to think and act very much like a military unit. There are many laws, that pertain to firearms, that do not apply to LEOs. Keep in mind also that they feel they have "power" over us mere civilians.

Now understand, MOST LEOs have their heads on straight, and are just regular guys, who could give a tinkers damn whether you own a gun or not, so long as it is not pointed at them. However if you look for trouble, you will find it, just as in all aspects of life.

FPH · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2013, 12:11:20 AM »

Some think they are God's gift. I wouldn't want their jobs though.

Mikey · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2013, 01:09:56 AM »

I think that from time to time they need to be put back into their place, as paid public servants, not the end all to be all, which they are not now and never were. They should be assigned to banks, airports, train stations and schools. The armed citizen can take care of himself. imo.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2013, 07:46:59 AM »

I believe they view the world as Cops, Citizens and Scum Bags.

FPH · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2013, 07:52:29 AM »

As my Dad said ( he taught at the local Police Academy for about 25 years) they need a mandatory break every 5 years to get back in touch with reality,

ironglow · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2013, 07:56:13 AM »

I suppose they are like anyone else...some bums some great guys (or gals). One rotten apple however, can sour things for a hundred others..

Old Syko · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:17:38 AM »

As I've said before, city, county, and federal (i.e. the alphabet soup) seem to collect the majority of the unprofessional LE types. State, (in most states) seems to employ the most professionals and any undesirables seem to be thinned out rather quickly.

hunt-m-up · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2013, 02:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Old Syko on January 04, 2013, 08:17:38 AM

As I've said before, city, county, and federal (i.e. the alphabet soup) seem to collect the majority of the unprofessional LE types. State, (in most states) seems to employ the most professionals and any undesirables seem to be thinned out rather quickly.

Sorry, can't buy into that one. State troopers are some of the most arrogant, ignorant individuals I've encountered. Many rural fire departments don't care to see them show up at an accident because they are much less than helpful.
As was said before, they come in all shapes,sizes,and attitudes. County/city LEO's know who the "good guys" are and spend most of their time on the habitual offenders that our courts can't seem to handle. My BIL is a retired deputy and tells about a domestic abuse call on a habitual wife beater who was pleading his case "Hell Bob I didn't beat on her tonight, I might have last night, but I didn't touch her tonight"

FPH · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »

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Quote from: Old Syko on January 04, 2013, 08:17:38 AM

As I've said before, city, county, and federal (i.e. the alphabet soup) seem to collect the majority of the unprofessional LE types. State, (in most states) seems to employ the most professionals and any undesirables seem to be thinned out rather quickly.

I agree, the TX DPS are first rate........I've only one had one exception in 40+ years.

Old Syko · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2013, 02:07:17 AM »

Quote from: FPH on January 04, 2013, 02:46:25 PM

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Quote from: Old Syko on January 04, 2013, 08:17:38 AM
As I've said before, city, county, and federal (i.e. the alphabet soup) seem to collect the majority of the unprofessional LE types. State, (in most states) seems to employ the most professionals and any undesirables seem to be thinned out rather quickly.

I agree, the TX DPS are first rate........I've only one had one exception in 40+ years.

The only exceptions I've met, and they were very few over the years, were promptly dismissed by the state. City and county seem to never be dealt with. As an example our previous local sheriff was brought up on federal charges along with many of his henchmen. Others caused the county millions in justifiable lawsuits due to sorted affairs of every type imaginable. There were a handful of good people at that time but they were overshadowed by the atrocities of the majority. With the new regime that has been turned around but they're are still more high and tight idiots there than would ever be tolerated by most state agencies.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2013, 03:48:42 AM »

Most state troopers in Ga are nice guys. and the cops here in my town are, for the most part, good guys. I think they'll watch out for the welfare of the citizens. but the county sheriff is a crook. in fact he has a 37 count indictment against him and will go to trial this year.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2013, 04:17:16 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on January 05, 2013, 03:48:42 AM

Most state troopers in Ga are nice guys. and the cops here in my town are, for the most part, good guys. I think they'll watch out for the welfare of the citizens. but the county sheriff is a crook. in fact he has a 37 count indictment against him and will go to trial this year.

Why am I thinking that the HP & town cops in mind here are white, and the sheriff black?

BUGEYE · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2013, 06:04:52 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on January 05, 2013, 04:17:16 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on January 05, 2013, 03:48:42 AM
Most state troopers in Ga are nice guys. and the cops here in my town are, for the most part, good guys. I think they'll watch out for the welfare of the citizens. but the county sheriff is a crook. in fact he has a 37 count indictment against him and will go to trial this year.
Why am I thinking that the HP & town cops in mind here are white, and the sheriff black?

since the vast majority of clayton county Ga are black, yes the sheriff is black. and the blacks elected him knowing that he will soon be a criminal.
my town has some black cops, but they are mostly white. the reason being, my town has tough restrictions on the appearance of your house and yard. just outside the city limits, it looks like a war-zone.
Is there anything else you need so you can yell racist??

guzzijohn · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2013, 06:32:02 AM »

My oh my, old time southern sheriffs must not have changed much. Did a quick Google search to see if I could find out anything more about the sheriff investigation that BUGEYE was referring too. Don't think I found his but in just two pages there are articles about at least six current and past sheriffs in Georgia under investigation for everything from taking weed from the evidence room to child porn. Think I will not go out of my way to visit Georgia, could disappear in some sheriff's jail for riding a Guzzi through his county or something.
GuzziJohn

BUGEYE · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2013, 07:30:38 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on January 05, 2013, 06:32:02 AM

My oh my, old time southern sheriffs must not have changed much. Did a quick Google search to see if I could find out anything more about the sheriff investigation that BUGEYE was referring too. Don't think I found his but in just two pages there are articles about at least six current and past sheriffs in Georgia under investigation for everything from taking weed from the evidence room to child porn. Think I will not go out of my way to visit Georgia, could disappear in some sheriff's jail for riding a Guzzi through his county or something.
GuzziJohn

Us white folks sat and watched him destroy the office of the sheriff the first time. but after he sat out for four years, the idiots here re-elected him. here's the scoop.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/five-felony-charges-against-former-clayton-sheriff/nShrh/

Dee · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2013, 07:40:06 AM »

Yes, for years some L.E. has referred to civilians, as "civilians". It is not deemed as an insult but as a method of seperateing the two. Fire Dept.s have been doing the same thing. Either group might under certain circumstances make the comment of "protecting the civilian population".
Some have, and will take it as an insult, to be refered to as a "civilian" regardless, and that is to be expected. Police, firemen, soldiers, are all members of a very structured organization with the police being "para military", as they are armed.
There are good cops, and bad cops, just like there are good and bad, auto workers, grocery men, soldiers, truck drivers, preachers, and baby sitters. To group them all into one catagory shows only the person grouping them, to be prejudiced one way, or the other, for what ever reason.

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2013, 07:41:39 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on January 05, 2013, 04:17:16 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on January 05, 2013, 03:48:42 AM
Most state troopers in Ga are nice guys. and the cops here in my town are, for the most part, good guys. I think they'll watch out for the welfare of the citizens. but the county sheriff is a crook. in fact he has a 37 count indictment against him and will go to trial this year.
Why am I thinking that the HP & town cops in mind here are white, and the sheriff black?

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Some people do not vote wisely ! Have you ever heard of Marion Berry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry

How about trhe people of Chicago, who elected one Daly or another for years..and Detroit where they keep voting Democrat, even though those same politicians have bled the city dry and left it a wasteland?
Your attempt to turn a "racist" corner is sneaky..color makes no difference; a crook is a crook! Wasn't it Gov Edwin Edwards who while admitting to being a crook, was re-elected anyway?
A certain segment of the voters ARE dense, and cannot be helped..

SharonAnne · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2013, 12:00:24 PM »

Who remembers 'hiz onna' Mayor Coleman Young of Deeetroit City. Made Marion Berry look like a Boy Scout. (no insult intended to Boy Scouts)

ironglow · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2013, 12:45:13 AM »

I am not inclined to point out a "mindset" for many groups...possible exclusion..the parasite/liberals who keep electing crooks, even though a a dog with red mange would know better!

BUGEYE · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2013, 03:53:12 AM »

Quote from: Dee on January 05, 2013, 07:40:06 AM

Yes, for years some L.E. has referred to civilians, as "civilians". It is not deemed as an insult but as a method of seperateing the two.

yep, at times they are required to stand at attention and give a hand salute. civilians don't normally do that. even though I have done it at Arlington.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2013, 05:36:50 AM »

"not an insult but a way of separating the two"? But why is there a need to "separate the two", that is the whole point here. It is typical of a "them and us" attitude which pervades police relations. Seeing themselves as separate from the "civilian population" is where it all goes wrong. "Separate from" equals "better than", "above" and "special", worthy of different considerations. There is no doubt that cops do see themselves as elite, privileged and a level above "ordinary citizens", their actions speak far louder than words. They may have "Serve and Protect" stenciled on their car doors but the supreme court has ruled it is not their job to "protect" and they certainly don't consider it their job to "serve".

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2013, 06:28:07 AM »

I posted this story in another thread... I put it here, because it well illustrates what I believe to be a widely-held LEO mindset.

In 2007 I had a contract doing some training work for the state of New Jersey. In one of my classes we were doing introductions/ice breaker, and I'd asked everyone to include how far they had to go to get to the class (folks were driving from all over, to my class in Voorhees). One guy said he took less than 45 minutes, and said where he'd come from. I knew the area - I was living there! - and knew it was a solid hour+plus. I did the math & said that's pretty impressive, must have needed to run a around 90 or so, how'd you manage that? - to which he shrugged, pulled out his wallet and flashed his badge.

What that badge meant was... "laws are for thee, and not for me!"

coyotejoe · « **Reply #23 on:** January 06, 2013, 07:42:28 AM »

I see an example in the "Fast & Furious" mess. Agents involved all knew full well that they were violating numerous state, local and federal laws by following instructions to let illegal transactions take place. They knew people on both sides of the border were going to be killed with those weapons and yet they went ahead with the plan. It was only when a law enforcement officer was killed that the whistle blowers were moved to speak up, only when "we lost a brother officer" did they deem the practice wrong. Clearly they see a big difference between cops and the "citizens" cops are paid and sworn to protect.

Big Blue · « **Reply #24 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:29:17 AM »

Quote from: hunt-m-up on January 04, 2013, 02:03:35 PM

State troopers are some of the most arrogant, ignorant individuals I've encountered.

A township police officer told me this one. "How many state troopers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One, he holds the bulb and the world spins around him."

jhm · « **Reply #25 on:** January 06, 2013, 09:10:50 AM »

SharonAnne I remember Coleman Young real well and in my youth was known to attend the West Indies social club that he was a member of, ( it was also known as a Blind Pig ) was on a 1st. name basis with him, attended the 1st. New Years Eve party at the top of the Renesance Center with him and Gov. Milligan. Coleman was a crook and everyone knew it and he had the same Swagger as the POTUS has, which give me the rite to call him a Jive A$$ fill in the blank as you please, At one time you could name the Cities who had Liberal Democrat mayors and point to their downfall, it wont be lomg untill you will be able to add the USA as a whole to that list. Jim

jhm · « **Reply #26 on:** January 06, 2013, 09:24:45 AM »

I have seen our small town go in 33 yrs. from 1 marshall and NO red lights to 3 red lights and 16 full time police ranging in rank from a Chief, leu, sgt. a K9 handler, criminal investigater, and the bal are leo, and we saw them go from Wrangler jeans with their badges on their pants belts and whatever handgun they prefered, NOW all are wearing military pants, shirts, 40 cal handguns, SWAT weapons of alll types, Have done alot of business with all of them from the chief on down in the pawn business, and when we can help them we did, however we never felt as if we ever ran 1 of those 3 red lights we would have got a break. Jim

SharonAnne · « **Reply #27 on:** January 06, 2013, 01:05:31 PM »

Detroit was a thriving city until coleman young was elected mayor. he spent over $1 million dollars redoing the mayors office, gave his girlfriend secretary a 100% raise and refused to answer questions about "his personal business". Name one city in the USA that has a black mayor and is in good shape. It has happened everywhere across the nation, and now in the White House. If the Nation survives through to 2016 it will be a miracle. Lock and Load brothers and sisters, Lock and Load

ironglow · « **Reply #28 on:** January 07, 2013, 04:16:21 AM »

Let's face it, some public service employees ARE stupid and do stupid things. Consider this prison in Iowa and just how STUPID the warden or prison nboard must be.
Yes, it is a stupid move by the state to have women guarding male prisoners..but that being said. the state should not be mistreating or endangering her..
http://news.yahoo.com/iowa-prison-lonely-battle-against-sex-movies-091857054.html