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FLA has public python roundup.
« on: January 06, 2013, 04:29:57 AM »
Python purge: Florida contest turns public loose in Everglades  By Perry Chiaramonte
Published January 03, 2013
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  •    Jan. 17, 2012: Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, right, Ron Bergeron, second from left, of the Fish and Wildlife Service, National Park Service Supervisor Ranger Al Mercado, second from left, and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., left,hold a 13-foot python in the Everglades, Fla. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)
  If you have 30 minutes and $25, and you can make your way to the Everglades, you can be a snake wrangler.
The Sunshine State is hosting a month-long “Python Challenge" beginning Jan.12 with cash prizes of up to $1,500 for the biggest snakes caught. Wildlife officials urge caution, but beyond the online course and the fee, there are no other requirements to hunt down the Burmese pythons, which can reach nearly 18 feet in length and have devastated much of the southern Florida ecosystem.
“Aside from the obvious goal of reducing the Burmese python population in the Everglades, we also hope to educate the public about Burmese pythons in Florida and how people can help limit the impact of this and other invasive species in Florida,” said Carli Segelson, a spokeswoman for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. “We are also using the Challenge to gauge the effectiveness of using an incentive-based model as one tool to address a challenging invasive species management problem.

 
"Hunters have an ethical obligation to dispatch the snake as humanely as possible.”
- Carli Segalson, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
The unorthodox approach is evidence of Florida wildlife officials’ desperation as much as their innovation. Since the Southeast Asian species was introduced to the region by irresponsible pet owners, the population of wild pythons has exploded. Experts believe there could be tens of thousands of the giant snakes living in an 8,000-square-kilometer region of southern Florida. The voracious predators have devastated the native species like deer, bobcats and raccoons.
Just last summer, researchers euthanized the largest python ever found in the Everglades -- a 17-foot snake that was carrying nearly 90 eggs -- proving that the reptile species has a strong foothold in the Florida swampland.
The commission’s website includes tips on how to identify Burmese pythons -- and how to kill them. Recommended methods for dispatching the animals include hacking off their heads with a machete or shooting them with a gun.
“Whichever method they use, hunters have an ethical obligation to dispatch the snake as humanely as possible,” Segelson said.
Snakes caught as part of the contest must be delivered to official drop-off sites with 24 hours. Researchers will log data that may be helpful in understanding the snakes' patterns, but then the snakes will be given back to the hunters. All American Gator, which harvests wild alligators for use in clothing, accessories and furniture, has said it will buy larger specimens.
Michael Dorcas, a herpetologist at Davidson College, says that the Everglades were uniquely suited for an explosion in the python population. In an interview with Yale Environment 360, Dorcas said it remains unclear just how big a geographic range these snakes might eventually occupy or how much ecological damage they could ultimately cause. What is clear, he said, is that it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove the snakes from southern Florida.
“You can go out and you can find pythons, but you can’t go out and find all the pythons — in any area,” Dorcas said. “They’re very secretive animals. And when you have a landscape that is very vast and inaccessible, it makes it very difficult to find these snakes.”
Burmese pythons are generally not dangerous to humans because the snakes are often afraid of a person’s higher stature. Still, the snakes are capable of killing a child and some experts say the larger specimens could even overpower and kill an adult in certain circumstances. The Burmese python kills by squeezing its prey, then swallowing it.
Nearly 400 people have registered for the Python Challenge so far and entered a program that may seem inadequate to become a snake wrangler, but wildlife officials say that entrants will have the opportunity to participate in additional training later this week.
The FWC will also have an enhanced presence out in the everglades region during the event to make sure that participants are following the rules, as well as, keeping hunters safe.
“Anytime folks go out in the woods we expect them to use extreme caution, especially when handling a reptile as large as the Burmese python,” Segelson said.
Some feel that the snake hunt could have potentially negative effects, and that the explosion of Burmese python in the region is not as bad as people may believe.
"We feel that it is not in the best interest of state wildlife to allow a snake hunting contest in Everglades National Park. The abundance of pythons in the Everglades has been greatly exaggerated and there has been a significant drop in numbers since winter 2010," Melissa Coakley, a spokeswoman with the Florida-based Suncoast Herpetological Society said in a statement to FoxNews.com.
"Coordinating a contest with cash awards could potentially encourage people to bring in captive animals from other states. This contest is awarding $1,500 to the hunter with the largest specimen. There is a good chance that some hunters may have entertained the idea of purchasing, very inexpensively, a large adult Burmese python for the sole purpose of killing it and collecting the bounty."
Coakley also said that there is the potential for the hunters without extensive training of being put in danger
"Despite what has been portrayed in popular reality television shows, the Burmese pythons in the Everglades can be extremely dangerous when provoked. It takes a great deal of hands-on practice before one is able to master the art of catching and safely handling large constrictors. There is also the danger of hunters unwittingly killing native snakes while in the Everglades."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/05/snake-hunting-season-for-any-takers-to-begin-this-month-in-florida/#ixzz2HD3bIcOv
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Re: FLA has public python roundup.
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 03:20:53 AM »
"They may inadvertently kill native snakes..."
Easy...."Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out"! ha. It might help keep some of these big snakes off the "edges", near peoples homes/highways as only a handful of snake "hunters" are going very far in that terrain. Heck, its near impossible to kill all the feral hogs, much less a snake that is hiding in underbrush, but its worth the effort, IMO. I  read somewhere that some use trained dogs to sniff them out, the snakes try to hide from the "predator" (dog) and they reach in and grab him...eeeyewww! ha
Question- would you use a machete instead of a brush axe? Would you use a pistol/rifle/shotgun? My vote is a good shotgun with #4 or #1 Buckshot with a good handgun (always). I don't want to close enough to one of those boogers with either a machete nor brush axe, ha!

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 02:46:18 AM »
Bad idea any way ya slice it.
 Aside from the fact that too many folks will indeed kill any snake they encounter.There is a great risk of people becoming victoms of the many venomous snakes. Eastern diamond backs and cotton mouths are not shy snakes.
 Then there's the fact that this will produce far more human 'traffic' in an area that other wise wouldn't have it. This can be hazardous to many variteies of wild life.
Not to meantion. If i had a larger Burm in captivity. With a potential 'prize' of  $1500, i'd 'sell' it in a heartbeat.
Issues like this need to be adressed at the borders.
I've been a reptile enthusiast all my 58 years of life and i am adamently against the importation of ANY non-native species of anything for any reason.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 04:16:16 AM »
 As noted, I am certainly not a reptile 'enthusiast", ha,  though several of my boyhood friends are. One had a big white boa in his house for years. I always "kept an eye" on it when my wife and I visted them, ha.
 You are right about those aggressive Rattlers/Cottonmouths, but surely these guys will wear snake chaps, at least I hope they do. I've seen big Cottonmouths strike very high, almost thigh level. I really believe that they should start out around the neighborhoods near the swamps/bayous. This will hopefully cut down on the numbers that are too close to humans/dwellings. I wonder how many car wrecks have already happened by drivers trying to avoid running over a big python/boa at night on the highway?  A snake is just "being a snake", and they all have a useful purpose, just not around peoples homes, and while they are not "evil" it causes too much drama, IMO. :)   A boa or python around the house/lawn just makes me apoplectic, :o

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 05:03:14 AM »
As long as folks show some responsibility in not killing non target snakes, I don't see a problem with it.  I guess there is a risk of getting bitten by a cotton mouth or rattler, but no more so then if you were say, hog hunting in the swamp.
 
I had a pet Burmese Python about 15 years ago.  She started out not much bigger than a long pencil, eating baby mice.  When I finally gave her away, she was about 14 feet long, and eating full size rabbits.  Very docile, but just to big to handle....Try finding volunteers when it comes time to clean the cage.  The strength of a snake that size is hard to describe.  There were times I would take her out of her cage to clean it, and she would refuse to go back in...just "stiffin up", and no amount of effort would get her back in.  I would just leave her loose in the "snake room", and eventually she would crawl back into her cage on her own.  In the summer I would bring her outside, and let her "play" on the front lawn.  Kids from the neighborhood would come over to pet her, and try holding her (under supervision, of course)... A snake that big could kill and adult who allowed it to wrap.. Tame as she was, I always carried a large sheath knife when I handled her as she got bigger.  Anyway, I stick to dogs now....:)
 
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 05:29:33 AM »
The only problem I see with the snake hunt is, I understand their makin the hunters pay for the right to kill the snakes. That makes no sense.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 05:57:39 AM »
They ought to lower the price and advertize in Lousiana. Some Cajun cook would come up with a python etoufe and the pythons would be an endangered species!  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 06:20:45 AM »
Quote from CDQ:
"They ought to lower the price and advertize in Lousiana. Some Cajun cook would come up with a python etoufe and the pythons would be an endangered species!"


One of those 17 footers would feed a pretty large family. I see another "reality show" a coming.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 06:22:44 AM »
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They ought to lower the price and advertize in Lousiana. Some Cajun cook would
come up with a python etoufe and the pythons would be an endangered species
Now that right there is funny. Does "etoufe" come out of a pot or skillet ?
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Hahaha,  " Python pot pie prolifertors " lololol
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 06:25:50 AM »
Unfortunately MAN introduced a snake that is not part of the Everglades Eco System. The snake will proliferate, and eventually decimate the wildlife there. MAN has let the genie out of the bottle, and has no choice but to participate.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 06:35:48 AM »
I see these snakes taking over without intervention. It is kind of like Eastern Cedars and Osage Orange hedge trees in my area. If you leave them unchecked they choke everything else out and even the wildlife will leave the areas of these tree left unchecked.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2013, 09:32:35 AM »
You got that right Dee.
 
guzzijohn, i wouldn't complain at all if we were chocked by monkey ball trees.They make great firewood  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2013, 10:24:14 AM »
Osage Orange. There's a term you don't here around here much. "Bois D Arc", and "Horse Apple" you do. Squirrels love the things. They'll spend hours openin up the "horse apples" to get to the centers.
The Indian used them to make bows. Some folks still do, and half the houses in my town that are older than 60 years are sittin on "Bois D Arc" posts. The fence posts last decades, and when they get loose, you just pull'em up, and turn the sharp end up, and use'em another 40 years.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2013, 03:13:10 PM »
Hear tell too that if ya chuck a few in yer cellar they'll keep spiders out o' yer house.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 03:31:49 PM »
A few years ago A guy in IND went to his shed to feed his python. He was gone several hours, finally his wife went to check on him. DRT, the snake was wrapped all around him including his neck. No thanks, no pet snakes for me. I do not kill snakes, unless they are poisonous. Seriously, would there be any food value to these pythons??  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2013, 03:32:26 PM »
Big yeller suckers. We called then hedge apples. Made hedge post out of the wood.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 05:32:13 PM »
Big yeller suckers. We called then hedge apples. Made hedge post out of the wood.
Turn a wood stove white hot if you put in a few chunks of the wood.

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DOUG. Darn right on burning it. My uncle told about a time he and 3 other guys put 4x4s under a too hot pot bellied stove and set it out in the snow. Burns real hot, gum does too. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2013, 03:01:33 AM »
All snakes, regardless of species or size, have vast quantities of deadly venom and actively seek out humans to bite and kill.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 03:02:20 AM »
I have tried the hedge apple in the basement and I could not tell any difference concerning spiders. If planning to burn hedge as been stated it burns very hot and also spits a lot of sparks, do not use in a fireplace. It is also hell on chain saws. The watershed lake on my property has an old hedge post fence that runs across the lake in about 3-4 feet of water. The posts have been sitting in water since 1982 and I cannot see any signs of rotting. When I was a kid my BIL had a surplus 7.7 Japanese rifle. I shot a full jacketed round into an old hedge post from about three feet , it only penetrated about four inches.
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