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Considering Romney's past record on gun control and the circumstances under which this has all come about I think we would be in the same boat as we are now. Your all thoughts?
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Maybe , maybe not . Might be less proposed as for guns on the ban list.
It would also been a first term for Rommey and he may have realized there would be less chance of a second term if he stepped on the wrong toes where Obama is not faced with that (although others in his party are and his party suffered dearly once due to gun control issues) .
 
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Considering the fact he represented Massachusetts and they do not have anywhere close to the opportunity to defend themselves as my state, or can even have the same type of weapons as my state...I have to say NO. 
That of course does not diminish the predicament we are in at this time...having people who know nothing about weapons with no training, decide what is or is not an assault weapon, and pass legislation on guns because of knee jerk reactions, that would have no effect on the crimes committed.  We had a couple of people wipe out a school DURING the last so called ban. Obviously we have symbolism over substance going on again, the left wings favorite thing to do with legislation.
So instead of looking back at what we might have had, we best look at what we got, which is a big problem in every area, including the government deciding I am a criminal, and trying to take away my ability to fight them, although the government will have every weapon imaginable.  And they have killed people including women and childred already with their assault weapons over the years.
We have a problem, and guns are not going to win this debate, the people in charge are idiots. Matter of fact, if they are stupid and corrupt enough to bankrupt our country, they are way too stupid to get involved in any legislation on guns and have it turn out good for me.
 

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I would venture to say that an assault weapon will have select-fire.  like some of Ted Nugents.
no person assualting an enemy wants a semi-auto IMO.
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Full auto is good for high volume suppression fire, i.e. to keep one's head down. As far as that goes it is mostly a waste of ammo in a fight on a shoulder fired rifle. That's why the military has been moving away from it.
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There wouldn't even be any gun control debate if Romney had been elected.
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I truly don't think that Romney would try to take my defense rifle. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Of course there would be a gun debate if Romney had won. Any time there's a school shootin or something simular, there's always a gun debate, regardless of who the president is.
Obama can't take your guns unless CONGRESS agrees to it, and YOU agree to it.
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I believe he would have kept his mouth shut as pertains to weapon bans. I also believe had he won there would have at the same time been fewer Dem.s in the House and Senate as well. The Democrats would not be so cock sure of some fantacy mandate either.
 
So yes, as a matter of fact, I do believe elections have consequences. Yes, all of your protest votes have been counted, and the mandate is clear, you prefered Obama. If you sat out this election, or voted for Obama, I do hope you recognise my contempt for you.
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Of course there would be a gun debate if Romney had won. Any time there's a school shootin or something simular, there's always a gun debate, regardless of who the president is.
Obama can't take your guns unless CONGRESS agrees to it, and YOU agree to it.

If we could get the PEOPLE of this country to agree in large numbers on any one thing we could accomplish a lot.  If NO ONE surrenders or registers a gun what would they do?  The truth is, most will comply.  By my standards I don't own any assault weapons, because I don't use them for that purpose.  So they may as well pass me by, I ain't complying.
 
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Of course there would be a gun debate if Romney had won. Any time there's a school shootin or something simular, there's always a gun debate, regardless of who the president is.
Obama can't take your guns unless CONGRESS agrees to it, and YOU agree to it.

They will and you will.
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I believe he would have kept his mouth shut as pertains to weapon bans. I also believe had he won there would have at the same time been fewer Dem.s in the House and Senate as well. The Democrats would not be so cock sure of some fantacy mandate either.
 
So yes, as a matter of fact, I do believe elections have consequences. Yes, all of your protest votes have been counted, and the mandate is clear, you prefered Obama. If you sat out this election, or voted for Obama, I do hope you recognise my contempt for you.

It truly is amazing how someone can draw such an analogy from an ALSO RAN candidate that was FOR gun control "at first", and FOR socialized health care, "at first" and FOR abortion, "at first", and on and on. The election is over, and Obama won because he got more votes, just like he did last election. You can blame anyone you want, but if Romney had not been a different version of McCain, he might have gotten more votes. Romney lost for the same reasons McCain lost. HE WAS RINO. No one liked him, or trusted him, except you and few others. I seriously doubt your contempt for anyone will make two hoots to them. They most likely are just as impressed with you, as you are them. You are sour grapes  :'(  and that is NON-CONSTRUCTIVE.
As far as elections having consequences, I would say: Haven't they always? Running inferior candidates has consequenes also. Romney carried my state (Texas), but not enough people TRUSTED Romney. The Re-flub-licans haven't figured that out in the last two elections. I hope that you recognize the contempt I have for people that continually settle for less, and less, at everyone else's expense. Your why we keep gettin second rate candidates. ::)
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A conservative can't win so they have to run a moderate.
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It would look a little different. It would look like house and senate democrats screaming for more gun control and a spineless rino president caving into thier demands rather than house and senate democrats screaming for more gun control and a nazi president yelling "hell yes my little mindless minions we are going to make those bitter clingers pay!"
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think hussein needs congress to declare martial law does he?? He's very adept at disregarding congress and the constitution. I see nothing in obama but pure evil. For the first time in my life I fear my govt. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I don't think the debate would look any different than it does today if Romney had been elected.
The very fact that we even HAVE a debate proves the point.  Logically, there is nothing to discuss.  The letter, spirit, and intent of the Second Ammendment is clear.
But logic has nothing to do with this argument.  Emotive-based thinking does.  This is the very form of thought that the Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us from; from an emotion charged group trampling on the rights of their fellow citizens.  This emotive thinking is the basis for a prevalent willingness to trade liberty for a SENSE of security.  It is rampant.  We all know people whose decision-making processess and world view are shaped by emotion rather than logic and reason.
While logic has nothing to do with this, neither does Obama, in a sense.  He's not the problem.  He's a mere symptom of it.
The real problem is that we all know people who don't believe that we can be trusted with our Constitutional Rights.  Being emotive-based thinkers, they are rabid and shrill and largely illogical in framing their argument for their world view.  At its root, however, is a readiness and willingness to trade the liberty of an entire body of free people for their own selfish SENSE of security.  That is the ultimate definition of greed, in my book.  In plain English, they want to feel safe and secure at the expense of everyone else.
Have you engaged in a debate in which someone is not at all shy about proclaiming that if they had their way, private ownership of arms would be illegal in this country?  Have you ever had one go further, stating that if they had their way, they would order the police and military to confiscate all weapons?  Have you ever had one go further and suggest that your vocal defense of the constitution is "irrational" or "stupid" or "hate speech."?
Obama isn't the problem.  It is those tyrants that you know personally.  They show their true colors when you ask them what would happen "if they had their way" or when they offer their unsolicited opinion on the subject.
They are not "gun control advocates."  They are Anti-Rights Tyrants.  They are against the whole lot contained in the Bill of Rights, and they have to be because of their emotive-based thought process and selfish sense of entitlement.  If they are willing to trade your Second Ammendment right for their own selfish sense of security and safety, they will trade the rest of them for the same aim, too.
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Lets try and keep it impersonal folks! As far as looking at people who voted for Obama or Romney in contempt, I feel sad! Sad, that we had a chance to elect good people to run for this office and chose to vote for the pukes the PTB handed us.I'm not talking about just RP, but several others who had good constitutional voting records, and were not owned by the establishment. We the voters (Republican and Democrat) voted party line, and let them take away our chance of having anyone representing us worth a damn to a free society.This is the way I feel, but I don't have contempt for you if you saw it differently........Just sorry!


We the people only have our selves to blame for these criminals running and ruining our lives.
We know what they are! Their records prove it, but still we think one is just a little better, and somehow that will make a big difference in our lives..............SAD! There is no way to prove it, but I think Romney would have posed as big a threat to our Constitution as Obama.Second Amendment included. I think they both work for the same earthly higher power!
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A conservative can't win so they have to run a moderate.

some truth to that but really it's that consertives allow themselves to be drawn into debates they cannot win. They are still debating abortion , they still want to punish illegals by sending them home something we can't afford and other issues etc etc
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Lets try and keep it impersonal folks! As far as looking at people who voted for Obama or Romney in contempt, I feel sad! Sad, that we had a chance to elect good people to run for this office and chose to vote for the pukes the PTB handed us.I'm not talking about just RP, but several others who had good constitutional voting records, and were not owned by the establishment. We the voters (Republican and Democrat) voted party line, and let them take away our chance of having anyone representing us worth a damn to a free society.This is the way I feel, but I don't have contempt for you if you saw it differently........Just sorry!


We the people only have our selves to blame for these criminals running and ruining our lives.
We know what they are! Their records prove it, but still we think one is just a little better, and somehow that will make a big difference in our lives..............SAD! There is no way to prove it, but I think Romney would have posed as big a threat to our Constitution as Obama.Second Amendment included. I think they both work for the same earthly higher power!

That was my point to begin with nw_hunter. The election however is over, and yet some can't accept the fact that Obama was America's pick, like it or not. Those whom want to continue to IN FIGHT, are our real weakness. We as Americans "collectively" can get together before, during, or after an election.
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I voted for the guy who could hav been relied upon to NOT sign onto any gun-grabbin'/gun-bannin'... a good many here can't say that. So far as being held in contempt for a principled decision... KMA.

Would it be any diff were Romney president? Not much. He'd have tried the reach across the aisle bit, and so doing then reached out to gun owners and appealed that we get onboard with banning 'weapons of war' or somesuch. look at his history. Other than who is in white hous.... all the other actors would have played the same roles. A flaccid Romney looking for broad support would have been more damaging on this issue, than a flaccid Obama looking for broad support (which is what we've got).

That's my take.
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Dee some can't understand most people like the way the election turned out.
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Ageed SHOOTALL. The blame game is alive and well, and this one truly is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Obama is president because COLLECTIVELY, that is what American voters wanted.
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The guy who signed the PERMANENT assault weapons ban in Massachusetts would have signed another one had he been elected. He's the same guy who provided the template for Obamacare.
 
The fact that we are even worried about this upcoming ban legislation is proof positive that the Republican party has become a joke. We have a Republican controlled house yet we're still concerned enough to be buying AR's and AK's in record numbers.
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One problem to fighting illegal law is someone must violate the law an appear in court to fight it. The legal cost keep many / most from doing so then there is the court that may dissagree and still send you to jail after all appeals are exhusted  ;) .
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think hussein needs congress to declare martial law does he?? He's very adept at disregarding congress and the constitution. I see nothing in obama but pure evil. For the first time in my life I fear my govt. POWDERMAN.

Well, gun control propositions is one thing.  Some small pockets will attempt to resist if everything they want is passed concerning weapons bans and regs.
 
However, declaring martial law, would have a negative effect on everyone- not just gun owners.  Im would like to think if he was proposing or even attempted to do something like that most Americans (except for true hearted communists) would stand up against that.
 
Most of your gun grabbers think that removing guns from society will  make it a safer place.  I really think that the majority (if not  all of them) want a gun ban at the price of military check points and patrols and basic harrssment in their neighborhoods.  There was alot of disgust at the martial law practices that took place in the Katrina incident.
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     Voting for anyone other than OBAMA or ROMNEY was just a wasted vote and you would have done as much good if you had voted for one of my cats, It is nice to stand around with your buddies and say I didnt like either one so I voted for someone else but it get the country no-where, just when did a vote for a 3rd. person ever get elected most were laughed at, feel proud or feel good on voting for a unknown but you didnt help the country.  Jim

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And your brand of voting has done so much to improve things. The election is OVER. Your guy lost. Move on.
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     Voting for anyone other than OBAMA or ROMNEY was just a wasted vote and you would have done as much good if you had voted for one of my cats.

wasted vote  - Not in my book.  The only wasted vote in my book is one who has an opportunity to vote and chooses not too.
A non vote is the only wasted vote.

And your brand of voting has done so much to improve things. The election is OVER. Your guy lost. Move on.

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     And you are asuming I voted for Romney arnt you.  Jim

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I'm not ASS U ME ing anything. I'm OBSERVEING that you think anyone whom disagreed with you last election, was wrong. Like I said. The election is over. Your obvious frustration is wasted.
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