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Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« on: January 09, 2013, 02:57:55 PM »
This was a gift from my son, along with a Black Hawk Close Quarters Concealment Holster and a 50 round box of cartridges. I was pretty impressed with how it shoots. Fits my hand real nice and I realy like the textured grips too. :) It will now be my primary carry with my PF-9 as backup.
 

 

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 03:41:37 PM »
Great pistol Diganali!  You must be feeling better!   ;D   Question, do you plan on carrying it "cocked and locked?"   ???
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 04:06:07 PM »
Great pistol Diganali!  You must be feeling better!   ;D   Question, do you plan on carrying it "cocked and locked?"   ???

Thanks, my son truly spoils me rotten! :)  Yep, I'm feeling much better. I go to Heart Rehab 3 times a week and that has been a big help.
 

I've been giving that some thought. To me it makes sense to do so because when a split second counts ya might not have time to chamber a round. It has a dual safety systom, manual lever and grip so I don't think I'd be afraid to. Still, I'm open to advice from those, like you Diganali, that have way more experience with 1911's than I. I have always carried my PF-9 with a round in the chamber but its a double action. The trigger has to be pulled for it to fire.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 04:34:19 PM »
As far as carrying cocked and locked goes that is after all the way it was designed to be carried.  That's why it has triple safeties.  Grip, slide and finger off the trigger.  The thing is, for someone not accustomed to carrying a 1911 it may take some getting used to.  I feel it is more of a mental thing for some folks than a safety issue.  After all these years, I can't imagine carrying any other way.  If you find yourself in a race there's no reason to give the opposition a head start.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 04:58:41 PM »
I carry my RIA cocked and locked.
 
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 02:17:10 AM »
Cocked and locked is the only way to go.  It's perfectly safe that way, it won't fire unless you pull the trigger.
It's strictly psychological, something about being able to actually see the hammer cocked.  I mean, people routinely carry semi-auto, pump, etc long guns with the hammer cocked (internally where you can't see it) and the safety on and think nothing of it.
 
Until you get used to it you might consider an IWB holster with a thumbsnap that goes under the hammer.  A Bianchi Pistol Pocket is one that comes to mind, but there are others.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 04:42:52 AM »
It's strictly psychological, something about being able to actually see the hammer cocked.  I mean, people routinely carry Semiauto, pump, etc long guns with the hammer cocked (internally where you can't see it) and the safety on and think nothing of it.

That's it right there!   :o  I was never really comfortable carrying C&L until Spruce's truism dawned on me.   :D  Nevertheless, I still preferred a holster that had a snap-down that went between the hammer and the slide.   ;)
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 05:16:47 AM »
Thanks Guys. I figured on carrying Cocked & Locked but wanted to hear advice first. Diganali, I too think I'd like the idea of a holster with a snap down between the hammer and slide. I'll look for an in the waist band holster with one. The Black Hawk holster is just too bulky to conceal under an un tucked shirt which is how I usualy carry. It's not hard to conceal under a jacket but I often have to take a jacket off, not to mention in warm weather. I've a Fobus Evolution II that works better but still not as good as I'd like. I realy want to carry this but it will take finding just the right holster to be able to do so without it printing. Funny thing though, my son came in carrying it under his shirt in the Black Hawk holster and I didn't know he was carrying it. I even made it a point to look and thought he'd left it in his truck. It was totaly invisible on him. My son however is much stockier than me and it just goes to show how a person's build can effect how you carry.
 
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 05:56:03 AM »
A fine looking young man and a loving son... Your a lucky man.   ;)
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 03:11:53 PM »
Thanks Diganali. He and I are very close. I couldn't be more proud of him. :)

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 03:14:04 PM »
Spirithawk:  the 1911/1911A1 was designed to be carried cocked and locked, round chambered, period.  The pistol is under two safeties when carried in that manner, the grip safety which must be depressed and the slide safety which must also be depressed, or in the downward position. 
 
If you and your son (nice guy, ya know - geez, a 45 for his old man.  What a kid) were out shooting that piece then you should know how the safeties work and you should feel confident carrying the pistol with a round chambered, hammer at full cock and the slide safety engaged. 
 
As for a holster.   I just got a DeSantis inside the waist band (IWB) holster for Christmas.  Its their # 11221, the one with the twin snaps fore and aft of the holster.  I like it because it disperses the weight of a fully loaded 1911 much better and much more comfortably than any of my other carry holsters.    If you're old and gray like me then you probbly don't have a butt like ya did when you were younger, which means a full sized 1911 can be a noticeable drag on a loose belt (if you can't cinch it tightly enough) and the DeSantis preads that weight out nicely.  It looks like the Mitch Rosen holster, what ever it was called, the Texas Special or something..  It works.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 05:07:51 AM »
Spirithawk:  the 1911/1911A1 was designed to be carried cocked and locked, round chambered, period.  The pistol is under two safeties when carried in that manner, the grip safety which must be depressed and the slide safety which must also be depressed, or in the downward position. 
 
If you and your son (nice guy, ya know - geez, a 45 for his old man.  What a kid) were out shooting that piece then you should know how the safeties work and you should feel confident carrying the pistol with a round chambered, hammer at full cock and the slide safety engaged. 
 
As for a holster.   I just got a DeSantis inside the waist band (IWB) holster for Christmas.  Its their # 11221, the one with the twin snaps fore and aft of the holster.  I like it because it disperses the weight of a fully loaded 1911 much better and much more comfortably than any of my other carry holsters.    If you're old and gray like me then you probbly don't have a butt like ya did when you were younger, which means a full sized 1911 can be a noticeable drag on a loose belt (if you can't cinch it tightly enough) and the DeSantis preads that weight out nicely.  It looks like the Mitch Rosen holster, what ever it was called, the Texas Special or something..  It works.

Yep, I'm old and grey. ;) I never liked carrying behind me and honestly prefer a crossdraw. I wear a military style belt which makes it easy to cinch it up tight. I'll definitely check out the DeSantis. Thanks.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 02:36:14 PM »
Revjm is right on the belt. When you have a good belt it makes all the difference in the world.
Like anything else, what you like is personal but I use the Wilderness instructor belt 5 stich frequent flyer 1 1/2" wide. Google and you will see it. Others like Desantis make excellent belts also.
A military belt just dont have the ooop. to hold up a big gun.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 05:18:15 PM »
I just learned something interesting, at least I think so.  It seems that Rock Island Armory is owned by Colt. They make many of the parts for Colt's firearms. Not only that but, in their deal with Colt, they got Colt's original machinery for making 1911s so my new Rock Island 1911 A-1 Officer's Model was made on the original machines. Kinda cool I thought. :)

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 09:05:07 PM »
I went the other way with a RIA I bought one and gave it a son. Never had a problem with it and I dont know if they are made on colt equipment or not, for that matter I dont care if they are made from bamboo and clay they are an excellent value and gun.


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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2013, 01:47:25 AM »
RI comes with a certain amount of baggage from the first models and their castings.
Are you sure about the Colt connection? I would like to see a link to that. Now, I amnot trying to start a flame here,
I hear a lot of good things these days---but the earlier ones I saw have left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2013, 02:59:09 PM »
RI comes with a certain amount of baggage from the first models and their castings.
Are you sure about the Colt connection? I would like to see a link to that. Now, I amnot trying to start a flame here,
I hear a lot of good things these days---but the earlier ones I saw have left a bad taste in my mouth.
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From all I've read I've yet to find a bad review. In fact, they say the RI's are very well made. I know big changes came after the Japanese threat was over. If I'm not mistaken I think it was on one of the YouTube reviews that the Colt connection was talked about but I think I read it somewhere too. I'll go back and look and post the links if I can find them again.
 
Don't know if it's true or not, don't really care, just thought it interesting if true. I do know they are often advertised as being made to Colt specs for what ever that means.  I just know that as long as it performs as great as it has so far I'll be more than happy. :) Here is the video referance. It's near the end of the video.;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijwG4b0CN1o
 

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2013, 03:47:05 PM »
Nice 1911, congratulations. I'm going to pick up an RIA or Tisas in the near future as a beater around the farm here.
 
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2013, 05:26:43 PM »
Nice 1911, congratulations. I'm going to pick up an RIA or Tisas in the near future as a beater around the farm here.
 
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Thanks and cool I think you'd like one. I'm pretty happy with this and have taken to carrying in as my primary carry. I was pleasantly surprised at how light it is for a full sized 1911 and how easily it is to conceal. Still love my PF-9 but sure like the stopping power of a .45. :)
 

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2013, 03:38:23 PM »
I been interested in how good the full size ria 1911is too.  I like the one in the  nickel finish.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2013, 04:16:52 PM »
The Rock Island Armory is part of Armscor of the Philippines.  Their importer is in Las Vegas.  Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois is not the same.  The RIA (Phillipine) is a 1911a1 copy and shares all the favors and faults.  They are pretty highly regarded on the 1911Forum. 
As such, the GI sights aren't much; it isn't intended as a target arm.  There are different sights available.  The GI safety is pretty positive feeling. Coupled with the firm trigger pull and grip safety it fulfills its duty well in C/L.  Carry it a while using only a primed casing in the chamber. After you gain confidence you can move to serious ammo.  You'd do this only in a safe environment.
No, it isn't a Les Baer or Kimber.  It's a good knock around 45 that's there when you need it.  Dittos on a good stiff and good quality belt. A tight belt will let you carry without fatigue.  rp

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2013, 05:17:48 PM »
I am going to say right up front. I am not a 1911 guy.  I prefer another design.
But a buddy of mine as a Rock Island that he has been putting at least 100 to 150 rounds a month through for the last 8 years that i have seen him shoot it at the steel shoot.  Rain or shine it pumps out lead and I have not seen a hick up with in in all the time I have seen him shoot it.   If it had problems he would have dumped it and gotten something else. 
Nice side arm, great son, and now I am thinking I should augment the Sig P230 I gave Dad with something else for his carry gun.
But he can not work a 1911.  When he was in the Air Force he was a radio man and was issued a 45 cocked and locked and then the code book.  During the Curtis Lamay days they had a pair of guys grab the code book to see if Dad would go throug hte draw and drop the hammer on a blank.  He could not get the safety off and flipped the gun around and chased after the guy using it like a club.  The next day he was issued a revolver.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2013, 06:11:45 PM »
Cool story McWoodcock. I've read a ton of reviews on the RIA and talked personaly to guys who own them too. Quite a few own, or have owned, both an RIA and a Kimber 1911. Almost to a man those who own both say they prefer the RIA and a few have even kept their RIA and sold or traded their Kimbers. That speaks pretty good for the RIA in my opinion.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2013, 01:14:55 AM »
The RIA is a serviceable pistol built on the 1911 platform. Chances are, it will serve the majority of casual shooters just fine. Having  owned a 5" "Tactical" for a couple of years, I actually have some hands on experience with the RIA. I don't know where all these Kimber and Les Bauer owners are that prefer the RIAs. Certainly not in the scores of competitive single stack shooters I have been associated with over the past 50 years. I think it's great that there are options out there where everyone can afford a 1911 platform pistol. It's one of the greatest designs out there. Enjoy what you have!
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2013, 05:26:10 AM »
Savage, not everyone's a competitive shooter. As to where the guys are that prefer the RIA they aren't hard to find if you read just a few reviews or talk around. Not meaning to diss Kimber just stating what I've read and heard. But a lot of Kimber owners sure seem to have issues with them and at what they cost one shouldn't have.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2013, 02:11:12 PM »
Savage, not everyone's a competitive shooter. As to where the guys are that prefer the RIA they aren't hard to find if you read just a few reviews or talk around. Not meaning to diss Kimber just stating what I've read and heard. But a lot of Kimber owners sure seem to have issues with them and at what they cost one shouldn't have.
Everyone that carries should be in a compitition of some kind.  Find a IDPA, Steel challange, or other tactical type shoot and go out and shoot under some pressure, have to make reloads, have to engage multiple targets, hit movers, and shoot on the move using cover. 
In the steel shoots you have to knock over steel targets and you get in to the habbit of following up and making sure your target goes down.  In one shoot I went to in Northern Ca we could not shoot steel and had to use Bungie cords and ballons to make the target fall, many had a T shirt covering the target so you did not know where the ballon was. 
I shoot in a steel style shoot almost every month, when I moved away and then moved back one of the guys I shot with commented that he was not happy to see me back as he was now going to be knocked down a number in the rankings.  I explained we shot two different shoots.  He asked what?  I said you use this shoot as training and I shoot it as a game.  You reload like you are in combat and what you learned at the classes you took and you reload from cover, I reload on the move from cover trying to get to the next stage as fast as possible.  I shoot this shoot dumb and am here for the fun, I understand what I am doing and why my score is higher but you are here to use the shoot for training for your CCW and you just have ot keep up the shoot as training and not compare your self other than hits and meaningful hits and where you screw up in moving with an unloaded gun, or not shooting from cover where possible.  He grinned and after the shoot he said he was happy how he shot and that he knew I would be dead in a gun fight after watching me shoot and he would be going home.  My point being, do not use the shoot to win, use the shoots to hone your skills and get better at drawing, presenting, making hits, and shooting on the move and reloading.  See what works.  Do not let your ego of not being first get in your way. 
When we started this one hte the guys was a fugitive task force guy and he had brought his pistol rig from work where it was low on his thigh.  We told him it was too slow, and his mags needed to be higher.  He said yea, yea, and then was beaten over and over on the dueling tree, where draw time and reload time mattered.  Later he moved his gun to his hip for both the shoot and for work.   He made some of his team come to the events and they were not happy about being beaten by a bunch of civilians and never came back. 

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2013, 04:14:58 PM »
 Spirit Hawk, like mcwoodduck said, if you carry for self defense you should find some form of competitive shooting sport to participate in.  Not only does it improve your odds of surviving an armed encounter and hone your gun handling skills, it's the best proving ground for equipment there is, short of actual combat. Competitors in action pistol sports learn really quick what works and what doesn't equipment wise. Besides, it's lots of fun! I bet there's something going on in your AO that you could participate in. Check for local IDPA, USPSA, or Steel Challenge matches in your area. No special equipment required. A safe holster, mag pouches, and half a dozen magazines will get you into the game. You'll learn a lot about your equipment, and improve gun handling skills while having a good time with good people.
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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2013, 04:31:55 PM »
The Club shoot I go to has even less equipment needed than that.
Gun,
Strong side holster
3 Mags or speed loaders
100 to 150 rounds of ammo (more if you join the unlimited and are a bad shot)
Ear and eye protection.
The three mags are min as there are three different divisions .  Limited - one round per target Mags limited ot 6 to 8 rounds depending.
Unlimited - Shoot till all targets are down
Race guns/ open  - Shoot till all targets are down
Then each division are split into  Single stack mag, revolver, or other   So last month I shot a revolver in limited class.  I took second in the revolvers and was 5th in the limited division.  The 5th place included all revolvers, semi autos both single and double stack guns.

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2013, 08:07:19 PM »
My son is a Certified Executive Bodyguard with extensive tactical  training in a wide variety of weapons and under about any situation you can dream up. He was trained by the very best and is scary good.  I have my own range built on my property and we get a conciderable amount of practice together. Well beyond what the average person strives for. With my military and LE training, and my son's training, we keep each other on our toes and keep fairly busy. ;) Heck, you should be here when my daughter and son-in-law are home on leave from the Navy. Both have high levels of security training. We are all quite competitive so things get pretty interesting at times.  I would love to get into Cowboy Action shooting though and may yet.  :D 
 
Oh, by the way, both my son and the man who trained him swear by a Springfield XD. My son put 2,000 rounds through his compact 9mm in two days of training, without cleaning, through stuff a handgun shouldn't have to endure, and it performed flawlessly without a single hic-cup. There were many very high dollar firearms being used by others but the XD was the only firearm to not have a single malfunction. His XD .45 performed flawlessly as well through the whole course which was over a month long. Now that is saying something in my book and yes I'll probably buy myself one soon. :)

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Re: Rock Island 1911 A1 .45
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2013, 01:09:33 AM »
Sounds like you guys have a lot of fun on your family get-togethers! The XDs are indeed reliable firearms, as most of the common striker fired pistols, certainly the Glocks and M&Ps. Thanks to modern manufacturing processes and machines The same is true for most any pistol of recent manufacture. I would expect any major manufacturer's 1911 platform pistol to run right out of the box as well. If a 1911 is properly lubed, fed good ammo from good magazines, and properly sprung, it's pretty much going to run. We are fortunate to have so many good pistols available to us at reasonable prices.
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