Looks like we'll have five Forums

[Graybeard]

OK all you NEF and H&R guys and gals listen up. It seems to be that so far you've been a snug as a bug in a rug and happy as can be with this forum. If not now is the time to tell me.

You may post your comments here or over at the new Marlin Talk Support Forum I have established in the new NEF/H&R/Marlin Section.

For now this section is merely a proposal. Other than the Support Forum it is NOT open for posting just yet. We're going to refine it based on input from you guys and gals who have migrated over here from the old Marlin Talk site. What we do now is NOT necessarily the last word on it. We have a place for you to request new forums and likely will allow it for new forums for former Marlin Talk Refugees in the Support Forum also. So if you later feel the need for another forum not now in the group we can discuss it when the need arrives.

For now for the NEF/H&R portion of the section only. I'm adding a poll here to see if you feel a need for any additional NEF/H&R ONLY topics or do you want to keep it just like this? If just like this then we'll move all of your topics there. OR alternatively you can vote to just leave this forum exactly as is where is and I'll delete the other one off completely and just maker that section a Marlin ONLY section. Strictly your call.

GB

[MSP Ret]

:grin: , Mr. GB you and the missus have been wonderful hosts and the forum is great. The only change I would like to see is individual "folders" or sections for 1)shotguns 2) centerfile rifles 3) rimfire rifles 4) Muzzleloaders 5) collectables and handguns 6) etc.. not covered by above. These are only suggestions and they seem to mimic what was on the old H&R site and close to the sections now available to the Marlin people. I feel this would increase use and make it a bit easier for those interested in a particular field.  Thanks for listening. This has been the only drawback I have seen with this site, all interests lumped together and now I see the Marlin section has been broken down into a few dedicated sections (rimfires, bigbores etc. I would like to see that again for we H&R's) Other than that I find your site to be BETTER than the old one, Thanks....<><.... :grin: (perhaps I voted for the wrong choice (#3), I hope you can decifer what I would like from my ramblings!!)

[Markus]

First I'd like to say thanks again. I've been enjoying things the way they are but I think doing as MSP Ret said in his post above would be a great addition.Thanks for your support.

[Blazer.]

I think it would be nice to see at least a rifle section and a shotgun section.Otherwise everything is great.I like all the other forums too!!
Thanks a lot
       Blazer :money:

[hellacatcher]

I would go with MSP Ret

[Graybeard]

Mr. GB you and the missus have been wonderful hosts and the forum is great. The only change I would like to see is individual "folders" or sections for 1)shotguns 2) centerfile rifles 3) rimfire rifles 4) Muzzleloaders 5) collectables and handguns 6) etc.. not covered by above.

So if I understand this correctly what you are asking for is to have separate forums for NEF/H&R Centerfire rifles, rimfire rifles, shotguns and muzzle loaders? Rather than talking about all of them on the same forum?

That seems to be a strong minority preference at this time having about half the number of votes that leave it along just as it is has. We'll wait some longer and let more folks vote and see how it all comes out.

I currently have Forums for Shotguns and Wing Shooting where slug gunning is also covered, Rimfire Rifles, a Single Shot Rifle Forum and a couple of Muzzle Loader forums for both traditional and inlines.

Are you saying you feel that you'd rather discuss those topics as they relate to NEF/H&Rs only as opposed to participating in those plus a general NEF/H&R Forum that you now have here? Just trying to clarify what the folks who've added comments here are looking for.

GB

[MSP Ret]

MR GB (Bill),  What I am suggesting is when one of us goes to your "Rifle and Shotgun Forums" and opens up the "H&R and NEF Discussion" section within that section there would be seperate subsections, as 1) Shotguns, 1) Centerfire Rifles 3) Rimfire Rifles 4) Muzzleloaders 5) Handguns and Collectibles. We could then catagorize our responses and interests to a specific section This is just a suggestion and it would be set up just as now with the exception of seperate subheadings within the section we all currently go to. I see that in the "Marlin and H&R/NEF" forum there are several Marlin subheadings, rimfire rifles, Marlin Lever Action Center fire Rifles, and  Misc. Misc Talk. Perhaps the best way to see what I am asking is to visit the old H&R website, that was broken down to seperate areas of interest under the general forum of H&R and NEF. I do request if my explanation is not definitive enough that you please visit the old H&R site and take a quick look at how it was set up. Believe me Bill, I am very thankful to both you and Mrs. GB for taking us in and for the wonderful site you have here, I feel in many ways (house rules) it is better than the old site. These are not to be considered as criticisms but as a response to a question you posed to we the members and as my opinion alone, although I see that others have ideas similar to mine. I think I would prefer subsections all under one fourm heading but if that is not possible then seperate forums might work, Thanks....<><....

[Leftoverdj]

I'm happy enough with the way things are. We can talk NEF specific stuff and visit with old friends here, but we can get a wider view in some of the more general forums. With those more general forums available and our own clubhouse here, we're set. Ain't no point in have separate NEF forums for reloading or singleshot rifles or cast bullets when we have a broader base of knowlege just down the hall.

One thing I would like to see is a wideopen, no holds barred, uncensored except for stuff that might land somebody in jail miscellaneous room. Kinda place where we rowdies can play without disturbing the more sensitive.

At the same time, I'm fully aware that this is Graybeard's house, and he gets to set the rules. I am too grateful for what he is giving us to carp about the limitations. Just suggesting there may be a way to move some of the hijinks away from them disturbed by them.

[jon f]

I agree with MSP Ret . A seperate section for rifles and shotguns would be great. We all have our individual interests.
                           Regards Jon....

[whitedogone]

GB,I tend to agree with MSP Ret.  I think that at a min. it would be nice to have 4 "sub" sections:  cf rifle, rf rifle, ml, and shotgun.  I think that most of us are so greatful to have a home that we are too gunshy to ask for anything extra.  Just my two cents.  WDO

[Graybeard]

MR GB (Bill), What I am suggesting is when one of us goes to your "Rifle and Shotgun Forums" and opens up the "H&R and NEF Discussion" section within that section there would be seperate subsections, as 1) Shotguns, 1) Centerfire Rifles 3) Rimfire Rifles 4) Muzzleloaders 5) Handguns and Collectibles.

This I cannot do with our software. There are two categorizations. The first is called a section and that's what the Rifles and Shotguns is and also what the new proposed Marlin/NEF/H&R is. Those are sections. Within a section I have forums which is what we are in now a forum. That's the lowest level of division that is permanent. Then you have threads.

To accomodate what you want we need to add Forums for each of those topics. If that's what folks really want I don't have a problem with that for you just as I have proposed for the Marlin folks. But what I'm seeing is the Majority (about 2/3 right now) want it left as is and about 1/3 want it changed. What I can't do is both.  :eek:  I'm good but I ain't that good.  :-D  We'll let the voting go awhile longer and see how it goes. Understand that regardless of how it starts off there is a procedure to request new forums that is always open.

I'm happy enough with the way things are. We can talk NEF specific stuff and visit with old friends here, but we can get a wider view in some of the more general forums. With those more general forums available and our own clubhouse here, we're set. Ain't no point in have separate NEF forums for reloading or singleshot rifles or cast bullets when we have a broader base of knowlege just down the hall.

At the moment at least this seems to be the majority opinion by about 2:1. We'll give at least one more day for more to vote.

One thing I would like to see is a wideopen, no holds barred, uncensored except for stuff that might land somebody in jail miscellaneous room. Kinda place where we rowdies can play without disturbing the more sensitive.

That I'm afraid just isn't gonna happen on GBO. The entire site to include every single forum on it will be kept at the GP level suitable for viewing by all members of the family. I would suggest to you that is exactly what all forums at AR are at this time. For that one you'll really have to go elsewhere as I just won't allow any violation of those simple ground rules already stated.

I think that most of us are so greatful to have a home that we are too gunshy to ask for anything extra.

No need to be gunshy. I just need to know what you want to be able to accomodate. As long as I have Moderators and the forums get used and the rules are followed it is immaterial to me how many there are.

GB

[Busta]

I am with MSP ret on this one.

1: H&R/NEF Shotguns

2: H&R/NEF Centerfire Rifles

3: H&R/NEF Rimfire Rifles

4: H&R/NEF Muzzleloaders

5: H&R/NEF Collecters Corner/Handguns

I just don't like sorting through ALL the post to see if it is a topic I want to discuss! I like to stay on topic in the individual threads and visited Shotguns and Muzzleloaders Forums much more than the Rifle Forums.

Just my 2 cents!

Thanks for asking GB! :grin:

[MSP Ret]

I want to thank Mr. GB for asking us and for listening.  MR. GB I now understand what you are saying about the setup of the forums and feel if you are willing to separate this group into individual interests (forums) it will only help to foster interest in this site since it will be easier for each of us to become involved and check into our own particular interests at that particular time, shotguns, Centerfires, Rimfires, ML's, collectibles/handguns. I agree with the others who have requested individual sections/forums.  Mr. GB I feel obligated to make this next observation, none of those voting to keep the site the way is is have replied to your question, I myself upon reading the intial query posted by you was a bit confused but felt obligated to reply sibce you and Mrs. GB have been so good to take us in. My feeling is if the membership here on th H&R and NEF Discussion board really understood, then the site would remain the same with the exception of individually grouped interests and the vote would be highly in favor of it, I was unsure after my first read of your question if you wanted us to leave here and join the Marlin/H&R/NEF section, I think most of the "leave it as it is" votes are for not joining the Marlin side, and not against individual forums for individual interests (i.e. - shotguns,centerfires,rimfires,ML's, collectibles/handguns)  all within our own H&R/NEF framework, my belief is if they understood the question and options they would all be here on vote #3....<><.... :-)

[Graybeard]

OK thanks to Fun Hunter for the link I now finally understand what you had before at the Marlin site. I've been going to the Marlin site, clicking on Forums and seeing only two for NEF/H&R not the entire list that is reachable from the H&R1871 site.


So now my only question is how do I resolve the issue of as it stands now that 19 have voted to leave it exactly as it is and where it is while 9 of you have asked for a division of some number of forums? I can do either and have no problem doing either. But I cannot do both. If I add extra forums I'm not leaving it as is. If I leave it as is I can't add forums. Is this a Catch 22 or just a connumdrum?

GB

[MSP Ret]

MR. GB, please re-read the last part (recent edit/added) the my post immediately preceeding your above post. I feel the votes may be squewed by the original question which was most likely misinterpeted....<><.... :shock:

[Mac11700]

Bill:

While it was the way H&R did their site dividing everyone up,it seems kinda strange now.Having us all in one place makes it easier to look at all the different post by everyone ,instead of having to go to various forums to see it.Since we all love our Handi's no-matter what guise they come in,be-it,Muzzleloader,Rimfire,Shotgun,or Centerfire,and since we can readily go from shooting one kind to another with just switching the barrels,it just makes since to me to keep it as it is. I just don't see the need to have the dedicated forums to each one anymore.,but hey that's just my opinion.

Mac

[Graybeard]

I hope the individual polls on each of the proposed new forums will help clear the air and get us a better understanding of what the majority really wants. There I left in the option to leave the forum as is with all topics covered in one forum as opposed to four or five.

It did seem strange to me the want the voting and posting has gone here. As I said it makes me no difference. You can have more or not as the group wishes.

GB

[Mac11700]

Bill:

While it was the way H&R did their site dividing everyone up,it seems kinda strange now.Having us all in one place makes it easier to look at all the different post by everyone ,instead of having to go to various forums to see it.Since we all love our Handi's no-matter what guise they come in,be-it,Muzzleloader,Rimfire,Shotgun,or Centerfire,and since we can readily go from shooting one kind to another with just switching the barrels,it just makes since to me to keep it as it is. I just don't see the need to have the dedicated forums to each one anymore.,but hey that's just my opinion.

Mac

[raynor]

My opinion only, but I hope to see it stay as is. In the old site I enjoyed reading all the forums, this one makes it much easier to see them all in one place without flip flopping around. Like I said, my opinion only and whatever you all decide is fine with me. What would be nice is a chat room, this program probably doesn't support one or it would already be here. ~~ SV

[jeff223]

i like the way it is now.like Silver V i read all the different forums at the old nef talk and like he said this makes it alot easier to have them all together.there is a great muzzle loader forum here allready and im sure the nef bunch would be welcome there too.i visit there myself.underclocked hangs out there too.im sure the modern muzz loader forum could handle the added traffic from the nef muzz people.

just do what is easy for you Graybeard and whats good for your forums as a whole.you are the boss here.

[Major]

Being a creature of habit, I liked the old forum set up.   But being able to learn and adapt I will be happy as it is now too.   As silver vaquero said, I too enjoyed reading all the forums, this one makes it much easier to see them all in one place without flip flopping around.    :-D   :-D   :-D   :-D

One thing I noticed before Marlin shut them down was that they had 2 sites.   There was Marlin and there was H&R/NEF and while there were a few people that posted on both sites, for the most part each site had it’s own followers.

[ScatterGunner]

i like what what MSP ret and busta'yote had:

1: H&R/NEF Shotguns

2: H&R/NEF Centerfire Rifles

3: H&R/NEF Rimfire Rifles

4: H&R/NEF Muzzleloaders

5: H&R/NEF Collecters Corner/Handguns

simple, easy, familiar !

and thanks to GB for providing the service.

[Big Blue]

Mr. Greybeard,
  I'd like to echo the thanks the others have expressed, the kindness you have showed us during our dilema is truly appreciated. I voted to keep the forum as is, and I'll explain why. I feel that the people from the old site have been pretty well split up among different sites and, given time, more may find us here, while others will settle into their new homes and stay there. I think that given the fact that our numbers are lower now than they were at H+R/NEF Talk, we are better off banning together on one forum. I enjoy interacting with people from other H+R/NEF forums, that we probably would not have if we were still in split forums.
Don

[Mac11700]

Being a creature of habit, I liked the old forum set up.   But being able to learn and adapt I will be happy as it is now too.   As silver vaquero said, I too enjoyed reading all the forums, this one makes it much easier to see them all in one place without flip flopping around.    :-D   :-D   :-D   :-D

One thing I noticed before Marlin shut them down was that they had 2 sites.   There was Marlin and there was H&R/NEF and while there were a few people that posted on both sites, for the most part each site had it’s own followers.

Major:

I had over 1200 post on the Marlin site,as compared to 400 on the H & R's site,and I'll tell you something...this site has 100x more to offer than either one of the old sites.Where else could we be that the Management,actully CARES what we want the site to be like,or keeps all the BS that caused the other 2 sites to gone down the tubes???
My main rifle last year was my 1895 ported GS 45-70.I had a-lot of friends over on the Marlin site and on the H&R site as well.Now for the most part I'm here and will make most of my post here.I still will post at some of the other sites,like the new Marlin site(not directly afilliated with Marlin) that was recently put up,just to stay in touch with a-lot of the old friends that haven't come here yet,and because that's where a great deal of the Marlin BigBore forum is hanging out,for now(. :wink: ) My main rifle this year is my 308 Survivor...and I'm going to wring it out for all I can in the next couple of months prior to shipping it off to be redone.

Mac

[mt3030]

MAC11700's post at 1:25 pm summed it up for me. Please leave it as it is.
mt

[Graybeard]

Guys I'm gonna hafta tell ya that you have me about as confused as a dog chasing his own tail.  :-D

When I read the posts here and look at the results of this poll it tells me that the majority opinion by about a 2:1 margin says leave things as is with all topics being discussed on this one single forum and not split out as per the old H&R/NEF site or the proposal.

BUT when I look at the results of the individual polls to add or not add each of the new topic forums as some have asked for it is almost totally unanimous to add the new topics. Are you guys who are in the majority here not voting there? Or have you had a change of heart? Or are you just trying to make my already gray hair more so?  :eek:  :-D

I don't want to dictate how this looks. I want to accomodate the majority of folks since it is clear I can't do both and the two polls are telling me totally different things. Help an old guy out and help me understand why this one is so different than the other.

If you folks in the majority here who want a single NEF/H&R Forum and not several NEF/H&R topic forums really feel that way please show me in the polls on each of those topics. If you do then I will understand clearly. Now I honestly do not. I do care about what you want. I just don't understand what that is.

GB

[mt3030]

If you folks in the majority here who want a single NEF/H&R Forum and not several NEF/H&R topic forums really feel that way please show me in the polls on each of those topics. If you do then I will understand clearly. Now I honestly do not. I do care about what you want. I just don't understand what that is.GB

I guess "show me in the polls on each of those topics." has me confused. I can see at the beginning of this thread where to vote. I did. And I expressed an opinion also. Is there another location we need to vote?
mt

[Wlscott]

Bill, I think i may know what the source of your confusion is.

When I voted, the insructions said that if you wanted a change in the forums, you needed to put a comment in your post.  I took that to mean that if I voted for the forum to stay the same, I didn't need to make a post to comment on anything.  I think a lot of the people who voted to keep it the way it is now, didn't post a comment.  But most everyone who wanted the change posted an individual comment.  

I voted to keep the forum the same because I like to be able to look at the posts about different types of firearms.  on the old site, I had a tendency to get stuck in the centerfire section, and probably missed a lot of good info.  The way it is set up now, I can read those posts about muzzleloaders, or disregard the posts about shotguns if I so desire.

[.308]

Mr. Graybeard, like it just the way it is, and am just 'tickled to death to be here.' Thanks again for the hospitality. :wink:

[fortress49]

Leave the forum as it is.

Matt