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NY passes toughest gun control bill in nation.
« on: January 15, 2013, 03:01:54 AM »
    Bill called 'toughest gun control package in the nation' passed by New York Senate  Published January 15, 2013
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  •    Jan. 14, 2013: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, center, speaks during a news conference announcing an agreement with legislative leaders on New York's Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act in the Red Room at the Capitol. (ap)
  ALBANY, N.Y. –  Days after calling for an overhaul of gun control in New York following the Connecticut school shooting, Gov. Andrew Cuomo worked out a tough proposal on gun control with legislative leaders who promised to pass the most restrictive gun law in the nation.
 
The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored the bills that were once blocked by Republicans.
The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.
"This is a scourge on society," Cuomo said Monday night, one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, `No more innocent loss of life."'
"It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island. "And there is no confiscation of weapons, which was at one time being considered.
 
"This is going to go after those who are bringing illegal guns into the state, who are slaughtering people in New York City," Skelos said. "This is going to put people in jail and keep people in jail who shouldn't be out on the street in the first place."
"This will be the toughest gun control package in the nation," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, leader of the Independent Democrat Conference that shares majority control with Republican senators. "All in all, it is a comprehensive, balanced approach that will save lives," Klein said in an interview.
 
Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault rifles and ammunition as he tries to address what he estimates is about 1 million assault rifles in New York state. He made it a centerpiece of his progressive agenda in last week's State of the State address.
Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.
"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."
 
The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, called for a tougher assault weapons ban and restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns, as well as a mandatory police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.
It would create a more powerful tool to require the reporting of mentally ill people who say they intend to use a gun illegally and would address the unsafe storage of guns, the governor confirmed.
 
Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features spelled out in the law. The proposal would reduce that to one feature and include the popular pistol grip.
Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.
 
Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report the incident to a mental health director who would have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.
The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.
 
Legislators wouldn't comment on the tentative deal or the provisions discussed in closed-door conferences.
"It's a tough vote," said Senate Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous of Broome County. "This is a very difficult issue depending on where you live in the state. I have had thousands of emails and calls ... and I have to respect their wishes." He said many of constituents worry the bill will conflict with the Second Amendment's right to bear arms while others anguish over shootings like at Newtown, Conn., and Columbine, Colo.
A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six educators inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.
 
The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.
"I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."
 
In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.
Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
 
Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings by Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."
The bill would be the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.
 
Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 03:11:48 AM »
Greg Ball hit the nail on the head.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 12:15:12 PM »
I'm sure criminals and gangbangers will rush out and buy plugs to lower their 10 round capacity magazines to 7.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 12:25:29 PM »
just great...california will be next...then obama tomorrow...just great
who was saying ..it could not be done?
the worst is yet to come. wonder if any of our great lawyers will challenge these gun grabs and obamas' cicumvention of the constitution when these laws are enforced?
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 12:26:17 PM »
I can not believe that the people of new york stood for this...
All manufacturers of anything to do with the shooting sports should now move out of new york.
I will now buy nothing manufactured in New York. Period...

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 12:55:16 PM »
just great...california will be next...then obama tomorrow...just great
who was saying ..it could not be done?
the worst is yet to come. wonder if any of our great lawyers will challenge these gun grabs and obamas' cicumvention of the constitution when these laws are enforced?


Don't you think that eventually they are going to run into a state that says NO !! All it will take is one
and a lot will follow after that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 01:02:18 PM »
Boycott New York. End of story.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 01:13:51 PM »
well there is hope..the TEXAS congressman or senator that said he would call for impeachment of obama. without question obama is going too far of course will will see in his news conference tomorrow. he thinks he is an Imperial President...ACzar.. A King.. he needs to be put in his place, he is simply the President that has sworn to uphold the constitution and the laws of the nation. he does not make law, thats in the Socialist Countries he adores so much but not in America.
It will take action by our best Legal Minds immeadiatly upon enforcement of any of his dictates. he must be slapped back into reality and fast. NY and CA laws should be challenged now tonight. if pressed to the Supreme Court as fast as possible alot will be overturned. if we wait the content of the Supreme Court will change and when it does the ruling will go to Obama and the Gun Grabbers. They know this and that is why they are moving as quickly as they can right now is the time..as they see it.
I am stunned as many of you are that this is taking place..GOD HELP AMERICA! this could be the beginning of the end for this great nation.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 01:17:53 PM »
Boycott New York. End of story.

billy,

You are right.  We should boycott New York.   Maybe Governor Scott should call the Remington CEO and offer incentives for them to come to Florida. We got some real nice empty warehouse spaces in Jacksonville that could be converted into a weapons manufacturing facility.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 01:19:30 PM »
It seems to me it's illegal for a state or municipality to prevent citizens from claiming their rights. 
A local leftist newspaper columist often writes how easy it is to get a concealed carry permit; easier than getting a driver's license.  A VA resident need only to take an hour online course, pay for it, take his passing grade to the court and get her permit. 
What's up with that?  I say it's a privilege to have a driver's license, but a right to carry a gun.  Why must a citizen pass any kind of knowledge test or proficiency test?  How does that coincide with the 2nd Amendment?  I say, if it's a constitutional right, the local gov't has no legal input. 
There are those who contend we can't let just anyone carry a gun, but why is it the local authority's business?  I can understand that a known criminal or an insane person should be controlled, but not a person whose only crime is that he happens to live in a particular state.  It ain't right.   
 

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 01:29:57 PM »
But it also could be the beginning of us getting rid of all the dead weight. And becoming a down sized
but stronger version of what we have ever been. Because we now know we can be destroyed from
within and if we have learned from that.It would be a lot harder to be a commie or a bum in the new
America.Deportation will become a very common event if we structure this like the Swiss.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 02:17:56 PM »
Well there go the 10-22's, mark I, II, III Rugers, Remington 7400 rifles (pistol grip), but the Ravens and Lorcins are safe.


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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 03:24:34 PM »
It seems to me it's illegal for a state or municipality to prevent citizens from claiming their rights. 
A local leftist newspaper columist often writes how easy it is to get a concealed carry permit; easier than getting a driver's license.  A VA resident need only to take an hour online course, pay for it, take his passing grade to the court and get her permit. 
What's up with that?  I say it's a privilege to have a driver's license, but a right to carry a gun.  Why must a citizen pass any kind of knowledge test or proficiency test?  How does that coincide with the 2nd Amendment?  I say, if it's a constitutional right, the local gov't has no legal input. 
There are those who contend we can't let just anyone carry a gun, but why is it the local authority's business?  I can understand that a known criminal or an insane person should be controlled, but not a person whose only crime is that he happens to live in a particular state.  It ain't right.
Actually it is up to states to pass as much restrictions as they wish.The NY ban will hold.Republicans helped push as this thru.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 03:54:49 PM »
Actually it is up to states to pass as much restrictions as they wish.The NY ban will hold. Republicans helped push as this thru.
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Yep , New York's law passed the state Senate, which is run by a Republican-dominated coalition, 43-18 Monday night. The Democrat-controlled Assembly approved it 104-43 Tuesday afternoon.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2013, 05:07:35 PM »
 Banned! N.Y. that is.. me and Pop were gonna do another goose hunt outside montezuma wildlife refuge this year but... think we'll do the carolina coast instead. We were kinda put off last year anyways, got tickets from the local warden as our liscenses were issued for NEXT year. So in N.Y., you have to evidently specify WHICH year you intent to hunt, or they just pick one for you... ::)   that state is an absolute sportsmans paradise but the folks runnin it just ain't right. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 02:20:36 AM »
I hear every one saying how could the NY people let this happen, Do you think they came to may house to ask. And yes I and every one I know have been writing and calling offten. They just don't care, they have heard from so many of their comrads that this is what most people want they have started to believe it. I am hoping that the 7 round ban on mag. may be a point we can use to change at least some parts. It basically ban all semi auto rifle because there are no 7 round mag's except maybe a 1911 semi. And for all the loud mouths putting gun owners down in NY State remember it is coming to a movie threader near you soon.  Good luck and I hope the NRA is as powerful as they claim when ever they want my money.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 02:32:40 AM »
What they posted was as two faced as a law can get. They clain it is to make subjects of New York safer . If so why give the subjects a year to comply if it is so important ? Oh that's right if they didn't allow the subjects to sell to others out side of New York then they would have to BUY all the now illegal guns and magazines and that would cost alot , maybe more than they could afford ?
 So they are advocating passing what they consider the cause of mass murders and gun crimes off on neighbor states . You know like catching a shunk in your yard and releasing in in someone elses yard causing them trouble .
 So should the citizens of New York be asking if the cause of these crimes commited with guns had been ID ed by the state govt. and they have allowed it to go on for a year more should they not be considered responsible at this point for the crimes ?
 Can other states not take New York to federal court to stop at least the part where they expect citizens to cross state lines to sell these now illegal items ?
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 02:51:53 AM »
Good luck to you folks from NY fighting this new legislation.  I sure hope you can beat this cancer before it spreads across the country.   :(
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 04:48:56 AM »
It is the mag's that are illegal even all the pre ban mags. I can still own my AR 15 just have to reg. it. He does not need to ban the gun if you cant find a 7 round mag you are screwed. Any one got a Glock 7 round mag they want to sell or a 10/22 7 round mag or a 7 round mag for my HI-Standard target pistolor one for any of my other semi auto weapons. Of all the semi auto rifle and hand guns I own the "Evil Black rifle" is the only one that they make aless than 7 round mag for.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 04:57:55 AM »
It seems to me it's illegal for a state or municipality to prevent citizens from claiming their rights. 
A local leftist newspaper columist often writes how easy it is to get a concealed carry permit; easier than getting a driver's license.  A VA resident need only to take an hour online course, pay for it, take his passing grade to the court and get her permit. 
What's up with that?  I say it's a privilege to have a driver's license, but a right to carry a gun.  Why must a citizen pass any kind of knowledge test or proficiency test?  How does that coincide with the 2nd Amendment?  I say, if it's a constitutional right, the local gov't has no legal input. 
There are those who contend we can't let just anyone carry a gun, but why is it the local authority's business?  I can understand that a known criminal or an insane person should be controlled, but not a person whose only crime is that he happens to live in a particular state.  It ain't right.
Actually it is up to states to pass as much restrictions as they wish.The NY ban will hold.Republicans helped push as this thru.

Actually I believe the McDonnell Decision "incorporated" the Second Amendment.
 
Dem governors are in a bidding war to see, among those who have ambitions to run for president, who can come up with the most Draconian new laws. Cuomo is currently in the lead, but O'Malley of MD is trying his best to catch up.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 10:26:48 AM »
My son finishes college in 18 months, And we will be leaving New York for good. I was born and have lived my whole life here. This was a great state until the liberals took over. It's sad, very sad indeed.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 12:14:15 PM »
I'm waiting to see how many pro gun groups file suit...or if they just let it stand.
 
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 02:05:13 PM »
It is the mag's that are illegal even all the pre ban mags. I can still own my AR 15 just have to reg. it. He does not need to ban the gun if you cant find a 7 round mag you are screwed. Any one got a Glock 7 round mag they want to sell or a 10/22 7 round mag or a 7 round mag for my HI-Standard target pistolor one for any of my other semi auto weapons. Of all the semi auto rifle and hand guns I own the "Evil Black rifle" is the only one that they make aless than 7 round mag for.
What AR15? What mag's?  You own an AR? :-X

I wonder what will happen if no one registers their "modern hunting rifles"? 
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2013, 05:19:52 AM »
Why would anyone need a large capacity mag?  ..and I mean ANYONE.  Why would law enforcement need a high capacity mag?  If seven shots is adequate for people who don't have advanced training, engage perpetrators with help of backup, wear bulletproof vests or who don't have any special enhancers in the law for assaulting, then why do THEY "need" higher capacity?   The only reason law enforcement would respond to something is if there has already been a victim of a crime, right?  Now the victims will have reduced capacity to defend themselves?
Loganville, Georgia, Melinda Herman was at home with her two children...  I guess six shots were enough.  Good thing there wasn't a second perp because she only had a rock left to throw.
If the only thing the dreaded "assault rifles" are good for is harming or killing large numbers of people, why do the police need one?  Do they need to harm or kill large numbers of people?  One in 50,000,000 people might go nuts in a "gun free" zone with a rifle that has a bayonette lug or pistol grip?  Wow.  The first thing someone will try to do in that instance is call someone who has a gun.  The high cap magazine holders will assemble outside and devise a plan.  Maybe that plan is to call SWAT.
They'll be here shortly.  Just wait.
 
It's unfortunate that so many people are in a hurry to give up rights that they weren't using to beging with or didn't perceive as "needed".  The logic in their reasoning represents a danger to us all.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2013, 06:04:43 AM »
the insane thing is the killing of one child which takes place many times in a year was not seen as bad as 20 killed in a single day yet using the murder of 20 to create a crisis and then state if we all lose our rights and one child is saved it's worth it .
One might ask if we are not armed how many more will be killed ?
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 12:13:14 PM »
Why would anyone need a large capacity mag?  ..and I mean ANYONE.  Why would law enforcement need a high capacity mag?  If seven shots is adequate for people who don't have advanced training, engage perpetrators with help of backup, wear bulletproof vests or who don't have any special enhancers in the law for assaulting, then why do THEY "need" higher capacity?   The only reason law enforcement would respond to something is if there has already been a victim of a crime, right?  Now the victims will have reduced capacity to defend themselves?
Loganville, Georgia, Melinda Herman was at home with her two children...  I guess six shots were enough.  Good thing there wasn't a second perp because she only had a rock left to throw.
If the only thing the dreaded "assault rifles" are good for is harming or killing large numbers of people, why do the police need one?  Do they need to harm or kill large numbers of people?  One in 50,000,000 people might go nuts in a "gun free" zone with a rifle that has a bayonette lug or pistol grip?  Wow.  The first thing someone will try to do in that instance is call someone who has a gun.  The high cap magazine holders will assemble outside and devise a plan.  Maybe that plan is to call SWAT.
They'll be here shortly.  Just wait.
 
It's unfortunate that so many people are in a hurry to give up rights that they weren't using to beging with or didn't perceive as "needed".  The logic in their reasoning represents a danger to us all.

Thank You Sir,  you make excellent points and though it's an old argument it stands repeating here and now. When new laws are imposed it is common to write in an exemption for police. But why? If those evil assault weapons are only good for mowing people down in mass they why would police ever want them, it is never their job to mow people down. Or vice verse, if cops do need high capacity magazines, even with all of their training, equipment, and instant communications to backup, if they think they need high cap is it unreasonable to state that I, as an untrained citizen, with my only backup being a 911 call from a pay phone, might need a few more rounds to defend myself?
 And I agree, this haste to trample on liberty just because I don't happen to be exercising that right at the moment is disgusting. When someone proposes a new law, that is a liberty lost, and when the liberty lost is one that was handed down from before there even was a USA, it's a basic right of free men. When you propose a new law, one that never existed over the past 500 years we know of. When you propose extreme change to a truly ancient set of laws, is it really so urgent that we can't take 60 or 90 days to think about it and consider options before voting that change into law? Apparently the legislature of New York just couldn't wait. They claim to want to make us all safer. Never mind that crime statistics don't bear out their reasoning. Oh Wait, did I say "reasoning"? About as reasoning as a moth bouncing off a lamp shade, purely reactionary "we have to do something"  "even if it's wrong"?
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 02:15:49 PM »
The specifics are as usually short of details.  One news item I read was that you could own 10 round magazines, but load only 7 rounds, if caught with 8 there was a penalty.  I do believe there are 5 shot magazines available for hunters for most of the guns like the AR, AK, and. SKS . 


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Re: NY passes toughest gun control bill in nation.
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 02:50:45 PM »
Oh let em pass whatever they want , from what I've heard from people eating the food there all you
get is passing a lot of gas. And politicians full of hot air. NYC you are way over rated in your importance to the rest of us . You can't even make good picante sauce !     

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Re: NY passes toughest gun control bill in nation.
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2013, 02:55:02 AM »
The specifics are as usually short of details.  One news item I read was that you could own 10 round magazines, but load only 7 rounds, if caught with 8 there was a penalty.  I do believe there are 5 shot magazines available for hunters for most of the guns like the AR, AK, and. SKS . 


New York was already on my list of places to miss, now more so

If need be a rod could be installed to limit mag cap. that should be fun for the guys checking
If ya can see it ya can hit it !