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Don't know much about them, but I am getting the itch to own one. Please give me the pros and cons of looking for one. Should I buy new or look for a gently used older model. Any insight or other info for a Semi-Auto newbie is appreciated.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 04:03:23 AM »
Can't give a lot of advice other than everyone I hunt with used them and tried a pump 760 or 7600 and sold off the semi autos the pumps seem to be much more accurate for some reason

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 11:45:04 AM »
Bucksnort,
 
   For the past 40 years, the Remington Autoloaders have acquired such a bad reputation for jamming that they have been renamed the "Jamomatics."    There are many reasons from these jams.  You can google the subject and read them all.  They range from failure to clean out the chamber with a chamber brush every 20 rounds or so, to gas holes that are too large or small, to crummy magazines, to an inherent design defect in the action (two pieces of metal pinging against each other until one of them breaks.)  The Model 740s  and 7400s were so bad that Remington just gave up and refused to repair them any more.
 
   If you buy a used one, you are just begging for trouble.  There are tons of them for sale out there, for good reason.
 
  I am not sure, but I think the lastest model is the model 750.   You can read lots of complaints about these as well.   So if you buy one, hold your breath and hope for the best.
 
   My advice, is the Remington 7600 Pump.  Extremely reliable and well built.  And, you don't have to clean out the chamber after a single box.
 
  Hope this helps.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 11:54:25 AM »
  Then there are those of us who own Remington semi auto's and have had very good service out of them.  My old 742 is NOT a jamomatic, and it is more than accurate enough for hunting...
 
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 01:13:34 PM »
get a old browning. they were flawess. don't get the new longtrack. i bought one and were1 3/4" at 100 yds.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 02:08:49 PM »
My friend got one as a CHRISTmas present........seems like late 70's.  After 2 frustrating weeks.....he sold it.  Unfortunatelty,  "jamomatic was right for his.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 03:12:52 PM »
I own one and its a good hog rifle and its never jammed. Light and easy to carry.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 03:15:00 PM »
Should you own one?  I've managed to live my whole half-century long life without owning one.  Maybe you can, too...
On the other hand, most of the men I hunted with from childhood to young adulthood swore BY their Remington 742's and only one guy I hunted with in my formative years swore AT his.  My dad got his in 1969, used it every fall until 1985, and swore it was the finest hunting rifle money could buy at any price.  His brothers and my mom's brothers felt the same way.  So did quite a few guys we hunted with that we weren't by blood relations to.  We would have up to 35 hunters at our 20 acre hunting camp, and at least 20 of those folks used the 742 extensively.  All but one of them was chambered to .30-'06.  One of my uncles had to be different and his was a .308.
I know 35 guys in one hunting camp sounds like a lot, but this property borders a National Forest on 2 sides, and BLM land on another....  We didn't hunt on the property, and there were hundreds of thousands of acres outside the gate so we had plenty of room to spread out.
I grew up seeing a lot of deer hanging in the shade of pinion trees, thanks to being hit with a bullet fired out of a 742.  It was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most popular gun in the hunting camps of my formative years.
The one I am most familiar with is my dad's.  It wasn't all that accurate with some loads.  But my dad stumbled on to a load that consisted of a 168 gr. Sierra GameKing HPBT over a middlin' dose of 4064 in '73 when he started reloading...  His 742 would group around an inch with that.  Somtimes a little tighter, sometimes a little bigger, but always under an inch and a half.  In the off-season, when he took the rifle to practice, he'd shoot over 100 rounds through it in a session -usually closer to 200 hundred.  He wouldn't clean it until he was done with it for the day.  When he cleaned it, he was very thorough about it.  He had a special brush in his cleaning kit that he used to use and he said it came with the rifle when he got it.  I never saw that rifle jam, misfeed, or fail to fire once, and my dad praised its reliability. 
He could have cared less what "gunwriter experts" thought about semi-auto hunting rifles.  He firmly believed that the bolt action was "yesterday's news" and that semi-auto rifles were the wave of hunting's future.  My uncles shared that sentiment.  In my dad's case, I think experience shooting the M-1 Garand and the M-14 during his military career had some influence on his thinking.  His older brothers were Korean War vets, his younger brother was a Vietnam Vet like he was.  So they all had experience with high-power semi-autos.
My dad, his five brothers, five of my mom's brothers, and eight other guys I grew up hunting with all thought very highly of their 742's and had nothing but praise for them.  As I mentioned, the one guy who often cursed his didn't maintain it all that well.
Some of my uncles also had the 760 pump action.  My uncle with the .308 742 had a 760 in .270 that would shoot groups under an inch with just about any 150 grain factory load it got fed. 
I never felt compelled to own one, mostly because the semi-auto firepower didn't seem to be much of an advantage.  Most of the guys I hunted with who had them filled at least one deer tag with theirs every year.  They normally only fired one shot per deer tag, too, and that's why rapid repeating firepower seemed kind of non-essential to me.
It still does, for the big game hunting and centerfire target shooting that I do.
 
 
 

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 03:38:41 PM »
get a old browning. they were flawess. don't get the new longtrack. i bought one and were1 3/4" at 100 yds.

  We also bought several Browning semi auto's, guess what?  Dad went back to the Remington's because they were more reliable when both weren't kept perfectly clean.
 
  When dad quit hunting, he still had a Browning and a 742, the last several deer he shot, were shot with the 742!
 
  BTW, all the Rem's we've have, have been 30-06's.
 
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 03:53:41 PM »

 
     There are tons of them for sale out there, for good reason.
 


Yep, there are...  But I bet the reason why there are so many of them on the market doesn't have anything to do with reliability or the lack thereof.
I personally hunted with at least 21 men who used Remington 742's extensively.  I was related to most of them by blood or marriage.  Only one of those men ever cussed his 742 and if he had cared for it rather than neglected it, he might have had a different opinion.
All of those 742 totin' relations of mine had kids.  But only me and two of my cousins ever spent any time in hunting camp.  I've been a passionate shooting sports enthusiast vitually my whole life.  One of my cousins is like me in that regard.  The other who came to camp goes rabbit hunting once every couple of years and occasionally shoots a 92F Beretta at an indoor range near his home.  He has zero interest in big game hunting.
The rest of my cousins have ZERO interest in hunting or shooting sports.
Out of all of the men I hunted with in my formative years, only my dad, his little brother, and a mutal friend to my dad and I are still alive.
So, guess what happened to all of those 742's that used to be fixtures in our family hunting camp and other hunting adventures? 
They got liquidated for cash, and sometimes not a whole lot of that, as the heirs mostly just wanted to be rid of them.  They didn't get on the used market because they didn't work, or weren't accurate enough for big game hunting, or needed douching out after every box of shells.  They got there because their owners died and their heirs had no interest in them.  They'd have met the same fate if they were pre-'64 Model 70s.  Function has nothing to do with it.
I suspect that they stay on the market because the market for them is pushing up daisies in a cemetery near you.  They're hunting rifles.  Most gun owners aren't hunters.  Most hunters nowadays think they have to have a bolt action made of non-ferrous metal and camoflauge plastic in order to fill their deer tags.  A polished blued steel rifle with a two piece walnut stock has no appeal to them, either.  And it has even less in a day and age where a used 742 in pristine condition might fetch $350.00 bucks and that same $350.00 bucks can either buy or take a hefty chunk out of the purchase price of some matte finished, plastic stocked, brand spankin' new "budget bolt gun."
Yeah, I see 742's and their ilk at gun shows.  I see a whole lot more long action Model 700's in polished blued steel and walnut that were made in the 60's and 70's, though.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 04:53:05 PM »
never had a problem with any of
the ones i've had. my pop used
742's exclusively and never had
a problem. he likely got his like
of these from using his garand
in the army. i see a lot of articles
and shows where anything but a
pre64 mod 70 is declared junk, and
these same type of writers and experts
say to give a kid a .410 to use is
the handiwork of an irresponsible oaf.
they also badmouth handi rifles as
cheap entry level junk. i'm glad the
boxcar loads of squirrels and birds
and bunnies i've got with .410's
didn't read hunting and gun magazines
and watch hunting shows.


if you want a rem. semi, get it.
you only have to please you.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 07:15:01 PM »
I've had a 760 and a 742. I didn't need both so I sold the one I got a better price for which was the 760 carbine. I've had no problems with that carbine.
I've had the barrel cut back to carbine length on the 742, the trigger worked on and the chamber was polished although I never had trouble with the rifle before.
She is a keeper and since my range for hunting is well under 100 yards, most less than 50 I can use several different loads and am still satisfied with the accuracy. The best Factory load I had ever found was the Federal Premium load with the 180 gr Sierra bullet.
 
IMO that bullet is to hard for the deer we got up here so I download all the 30-06 ammo to a hot 30-30 load with RN 150 gr bullets and the action cycles just fine.
 
BTW you won't need a recoil pad either.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 08:15:27 PM »
Stick with the rem. pump. Great guns,I have two '06. One left hand.There is a reason lots of gun shops either won't take them (742's) in trade or will give low bucks. Out of production for many years,no parts available.If you want an auto get an older BAR ( love both of mine) or a Benelli.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 03:56:12 AM »
Wow. Reading through the replies I am getting the distinct impression that you either love 'em or hate 'em. There is no in between. I am also hearing they require alot of TLC. This is not a firearm for the casual shooter of which I am not. I reload for '06 and have a couple of bolt actions. I stick primarily to H&R/NEF single shots because they can be made to be very accurate and are supremely reliable if taken care of properly. So the factory will not reolve any issues with a 74xx, if I understand correctly? If I do pick one up, and yes the entry cost is what is attractive since any other semi-auto now is through the roof, I wam on my own to resolve problems? How magazine availability and cost? Speial cleaning tools? I read of a special brush in the replies. Are these still available? I am too dumb to be afraid  ;)  so tinkering with my rifles is an option.
I have looked at the Brownings, and if I can find one for a reasonable price then I would probably go for it. I have never used a pump rifle before so that is kinda of intruiging. I am asusming it is alot like a pump 12 guage, just lighter and quicker?
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 05:22:45 AM »
My friend must have gotten a lemon.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 06:10:13 AM »
There are several posts to troubleshoot and fix Rem. semi autos if you search on this Site.
 New magazines are available and they interchange. You can use a 760 mag on a 742 however the bolt will not stay open after the last round is fired and you could use a 742 mag in a 760 as well without any problems.
I've seen aftermarket 10 round mags that fit both if you think you need that much ammo hanging off your rifle :D
The special brushes are sometime seen at gunshows but are not a MUST have item.
 
 I don't like cleaning rifles from the muzzle end so I do go to the somewhat awkward route of inserting the rod without the cleaning tip from the muzzle deep enough that I can attach the jig at the open action and then pull it out at least for two or three pulls. After that I  dry up the bore from the muzzle inwards.
 
A flexible cleaning rod would be a real advantage, perhaps someone makes them or if you are inventive you could make your own.
 
If you reload you may want to have a look at the M-1 Garand Service Rifle loads. Medium burning rate powders work fine but are not a Must either.
 
I've got a 200 gr load that uses H-4831 if I ever need such a bullet weight again.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 07:18:57 AM »
Is a 30 cal bore snake a good option to clean them?
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 09:37:18 AM »
  Bottom line is, they are not all jamomatic junk, BUT some are.
 
  They will NOT take a lot of heavy shooting or heavy loads, they AREN'T an assult weapon style gun!
 
  They are a HUNTING gun and last just fine with a few boxes of hunting ammo shot through them a year, if you want to shoot more than that, pick something else.
 
  Some models like the 742 can't be rebuilt once it's shot out or abused.  It becomes a single shot, and i'd want to shoot a used one to MAKE SURE it's not a jamomatic BEFORE i kept it.
 
  Which leads me to to this:  What's wrong with buying one that's been shot a lot and jams CHEEEEP, and then use it as a single shot?  I'd rather have a single shot 742 for hunting than a handi!
 
  If MY 742 ever becomes a jamomatic (unlikely because it's only used for hunting)  i'd just keep it and use it as a single shot...
 
  I like the way the Remingtons feel waaaay better than the Brownings...
 
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 10:20:06 AM »
of course, there is the topic of i believe
it was 3feathers, the member here that
has spent over 1500.00 on a remington
model 7 bolt action rifle that still wont
function correctly (if i'm remembering right)


there are lemons to be had in every kind of
firearm, and camera, and rototiller,etc.


the model 740/742/7400/FOUR rifles
that i've dealt with were no problem
and functioned great. i have a 7400
that i wouldn't trade for any other.


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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 02:26:42 PM »
 
  Never hurts to gather more free information.
 
  Go to a gunshop and ask them how much they would give you in trade for a nice used 740 or 7400.  I'll bet they won't take them.
 
 Go to an experienced gunsmith, and ask him what he thinks of the 740 and 7400.   Get ready for some cussing.  He will probably tell you he won't even work on them.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 03:36:16 PM »
I bought a 742 in 1967 when I got out of CG boot camp.  Had it ever since.  It was my only rifle for a long time.  I fired military rounds, reloaded them, made them too hot, and they grew too long.  Finally got a RCBS Small Base die set and a case trimmer and honestly do not believe I have had a jam in 40 years.  I don't shoot it much anymore, but with a little 1X4 Leupold set at 2X it is a fast handling gun.  Easy to shoot with both eyes open at running deer, just like a shotgun.  It has its place.  Mine is a 30-06.  I suppose the 308 version might be even better in a semi.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 10:23:42 PM »

  Never hurts to gather more free information.

True, but sometimes that "free information" is worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
 
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Go to a gunshop and ask them how much they would give you in trade for a nice used 740 or 7400.  I'll bet they won't take them.

Maybe so, but that speaks to marketability and not necessisarily fitness or suitability for purpose.  A 740 is a hard sell, thanks to a bad reputation propigated on the basis of heresay and speculation.  Its even harder when one can buy a new matte finished, plastic single piece stocked budget bolt action new for under $400.00.  The 740 is a relic of a bygone era and it isn't where the market is at.
 
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Go to an experienced gunsmith, and ask him what he thinks of the 740 and 7400.   Get ready for some cussing.  He will probably tell you he won't even work on them.


Gunsmiths often don't like working on guns with non-existant parts support, no collector value, and little secondary market value.  They don't just hate 740's.  They aren't overly fond of High Standard double action .22 revolvers, either.  Some aren't fond of tang-safety Rugers and won't touch those.  I don't really care if my gunsmith thinks my gun is cool or not.  It only matters to me that I think its cool.  All I want my gunsmith to do is fix my gun when it breaks.  Fixing them isn't the same as shooting them or hunting with them for several decades and when I want an informed opinion of the field performance of a gun, I'd rather get it from a guy or gal who actually has some extensive experience with the platform in question.
 
The guns in question might not be suitable for a high-volume shooter like me, but for the average hunter who can make ten boxes of high power centerfire ammo last five years, they'd probably have no trouble lasting two lifetimes, let alone one. 
 
 

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 11:49:02 PM »
I'd say you have about a 50% chance of getting a good one.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2013, 12:25:26 AM »
I bought a 7400 .270 new in 1998.  It would stove pipe every shot and the zero would wander.  The rifle was sent back to Remington who claimed to have fixed it.  When returned it would now stove pipe every other shot and the zero would still wander (with two different scope mounts and three different scopes).  I sold it and bought a Browning BAR and haven't looked back.  I now have a BAR in .30-06 and two Safari II's in .270.  Each one shoots at moa and have never jammed with either reloads or factory ammo.

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2013, 06:52:52 AM »
Is a 30 cal bore snake a good option to clean them?

I have one of these contraptions and found them to be lacking. Using them as a trial on bolt action rifles and following up with a regular rod and patch cleaning I can tell you the Snake does a poor job.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 07:00:37 AM »
  Bottom line is, they are not all jamomatic junk, BUT some are.
 
  They will NOT take a lot of heavy shooting or heavy loads, they AREN'T an assult weapon style gun!
 
  They are a HUNTING gun and last just fine with a few boxes of hunting ammo shot through them a year, if you want to shoot more than that, pick something else.
 
  Some models like the 742 can't be rebuilt once it's shot out or abused.  It becomes a single shot, and i'd want to shoot a used one to MAKE SURE it's not a jamomatic BEFORE i kept it.
 
  Which leads me to to this:  What's wrong with buying one that's been shot a lot and jams CHEEEEP, and then use it as a single shot?  I'd rather have a single shot 742 for hunting than a handi!
 
  If MY 742 ever becomes a jamomatic (unlikely because it's only used for hunting)  i'd just keep it and use it as a single shot...
 
  I like the way the Remingtons feel waaaay better than the Brownings...
 
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 I agree!
A gunsmith can plug the gasport and if needed can add something to the cocking handle to make it easier to grasp.
 
 I bought mine used and didn't have a gunsmith check it until after I got it. He checked it out by disassembling it further then I could, cleaned it and pronounced it good to go and it has including cast loads.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 10:41:14 AM »
 
   "Gunsmiths often don't like working on guns with non-existant parts support, no collector value, and little secondary market value."
 
    Man, I totally agree.  And I can't imagine buying such a rifle.
 
 

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 03:56:37 PM »

   "Gunsmiths often don't like working on guns with non-existant parts support, no collector value, and little secondary market value."
 
    Man, I totally agree.  And I can't imagine buying such a rifle.
For the most part, neither can I.  I also generally don't see the value in a firearm that clearly isn't designed or intended for the high-volume shooting that I've historically engaged in.  One complaint about the rifles in question in this thread that I do agree with is that they were not designed or intended for high volume shooting.  That, to me, is the main demerit against them, and the one that makes it very unlikely that I would ever buy one.
My shooting habits are more closely allied with those of competitive target shooters than typical hunters, though.  And the rifles in question in this thread are far removed from being the only "huntin' rifles" not intended for high volume shooting.  I could lodge the same complaint agains other platforms, some of which get a whole lot more love than Remington autoloaders do.
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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2013, 04:23:18 PM »
Just dish out the money and get you an M1 Garand.  Heavier, but well balanced and no problems. 

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Re: Ok. I Don't Own a Remington Semi Auto in 30-06. Should I and Which One?
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2013, 05:36:55 PM »
Just dish out the money and get you an M1 Garand.  Heavier, but well balanced and no problems.
When I got the itch for a Semi-Auto hunting rifle, I shelled out the money and bought a National Match Springfield Armory M-1A.
Heavier, but well balanced, and most definitely no problems...  Includidng hitting what I was aiming at.  What an absolutely stellar piece of equipment that was!
And unlike the Garand, you have a real detachable magazine, which is kind of cool in some hunting situations.  And you can mount a scope over the bore line, unlike a Garand.
That is one of a handful of rifles I've sold that I wish I could have kept.  It was on the "banned list" for California's AWB.  The day after I sold it to a dealer in Arizona, California took it off the list.  Commies...
So glad I don't live there anymore.....
Garands are cool, though.  Great suggestion, methinks.  I know I'd love to have one, someday. 
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