Hussein says, Texas can NOT secede, must remain part of his kingdom.

[powderman]

         White House responds to secession petition, says Texas doesn't have right to leave the US  Published January 14, 2013
Associated Press    EL PASO, Texas –  Bad news for thousands of people who wanted to see Texas secede: The state is still in the U.S.
The White House has responded to a petition asking that Texas be allowed to break away from the country, saying the Founding Fathers who created the nation "did not provide a right to walk away from it."
 
More than 125,000 people signed the petition, which was created a few days after President Barack Obama won re-election. The White House has promised to respond to any petition that gets more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days.
 
Jon Carson, director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, issued a response quoting Abraham Lincoln's first inaugural address and a Supreme Court opinion after the Civil War. It said America was created as a "perpetual union," but one that allows people with different beliefs to debate the issues.
 
"Democracy can be noisy and controversial," Carson said. "Free and open debate is what makes this country work ... But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart."
The petition was created Micah Hurd, a Texas National Guardsman and an engineering student at the University of Texas in Arlington. He couldn't be reached for comment Monday.
 
In asking that Texas be allowed to leave the country, the petition cited the "economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending." It argued that given the size of Texas' economy and because the state has a balanced budget, it would be "practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union."
The petition also said the federal government didn't share the same values held by the Founding Fathers.
 
But Carson argued that the writers of the U.S. Constitution addressed the need for policy change through elections, not secession.
The petition's success brought overnight fame for Hurd, though briefly got him in trouble. In December, a regiment commander at the Texas National Guard sent an email to his subordinates, including Hurd, saying "any mention of secession better happen on a civilian venue."
"It's only talk, and rather ignorant talk at that," the commander wrote. "If you've already done something to call attention to yourself or our regiment in this matter, make it go away."
 
But a few days later, a National Guard spokeswoman said Hurd had done nothing wrong and that "the email asking him not to talk about it" shouldn't have been sent.
A telephone listing for Hurd couldn't be found Monday by The Associated Press. His father, who has spoken on behalf of his son in the past, didn't immediately return a phone message.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/14/white-house-responds-to-secession-petition-says-texas-doesnt-have-right-to/#ixzz2I7S6L000

[BUGEYE]

I'm sure not a constitution scholar, but it seems to me that if the state put that on a state-wide ballot and it passed with 2/3 of the voters, it should be legal to secede.  otherwise you are subject to husseins whims.  let the voters decide.

[Anna]

Free and brave men can do whatever they please no matter what a dictator tells them. Or what country live in or what book or document they follow. Free will was given to us by God himself long
before there were any documents or leaders telling him he could not do that . Free will also means
the God given right to shape ones own destiny be it good or bad. No where does it say we have got
to wait until everyone else agrees, especially in the face of evil. That's where it becomes our duty
here on earth to vanquish evil and not just for ourselves, but for the small or weaker amoung us
who would do it if they could but cant. Are we then not better than that ?

God did not make Americans strong,free,smart,and able for no reason. And I'm sure he is very disappointed by the way he sees us now. When so many of us have died in the past for his holy
name and his righteous providence .He would want us to ban together no matter how out numbered
or small we are. And to continue on and resurrect what has made us great in his holly name. 
The free will he would like to see is freedom, for all who are willing to not just talk about it .
But die for it if that is the case. That is when he will stand beside us and we will not be defeated.

[Ranger99]

our state constitution says:
" all political power is inherent in the people.
  they have at all times the inalienable right to
  alter their government in such manner as
  they might think proper "


there ya go. . . . .




God bless Texas

[Dee]

As I recall in school down here in the good ole days when we were taught "TEXAS HISTORY", not only did Texas RESERVE THE RIGHT to secede if it chose, but also RESERVED THE RIGHT, to divide into 5 separate state if we so chose.
A Texas State Representative of mine named David Swinford ran for the first time, back in the 80s. His first bill was a "Bill of Secession" from the union. Not to actually secede but to make a point. The bill showed that if Texas went back to Republic status, it's own wealth could give every child living in Texas a FREE college education, including illegal children.
Now the "NEW LINCOLN" in the White House would never allow that, and like the "OLD LINCOLN" would sic the U.S. Army on us if we tried, but it would be nice if we could.

[tomtomz]

Membership should be voluntary.

Texas must secede.

It worked for Utah... almost.

[Anna]

It would not be a real good idea to sic anything on Texas. If she were ever to try and secede the line
of suitors for her hand in trade and mutual cooperation would be very long from overseas.
In parts of Europe alone Texas still has a mystique about her in legend and one of the few places
over here that still stir the imagination. Most of the people I met or knew in Europe if they ever
mentioned coming to America it was always Texas where they said they wanted to come .
Most cooperations if they did have any operations over here even going by different names no
matter how large or small had them in Texas. I don't believe the home offices of these cooperations
overseas in league with their governments. Would look real kindly on any army messing with their
holdings or people who have moved here to Texas to work.

And you can bet there is a lot of pressure on Govenor Perry from overseas to ensure those investments are well taken care of. Follow the money, and there is a silent group we never hear of
much that controls a huge portion of the global wealth and always have. And that is the Dutch who
have massive holdings in Texas. This is the reason that parts of Europe were so quick to offer help
over that oil spill where Obama told them no. He is in no way as popular over there as we are lead
to believe he is by the MSM. Sure if you ask the entitlement or liberal bum on the street you would
think they love him just like what you have here. But move up the ladder a bit and see what you
find. He's in partners with some of them, but those relationships are falling apart or being bought out
or are failing as we speak.

A socialist government is only as socialist as it wants to be when it comes to making a buck. What it
imposes on its people and what it imposes on itself are two completely different things entirely.
Just look at China if you want an example of that. And from what we have seen in the past. Obama
has not recived any real warm welcomes in China or Russia when he has visited there. Looked more
like an a$$ chewing to me more than anything else even Saturday night live picked up on that.
His media flunkies can only hide so much for so long. And if you look toward Wall Street everytime
a state especially Texas rattles sabers with DC or talks about secession . Certain stocks held by company's in that state seem to skyrocket. Then if you follow up on who really owns those company's
you will find its overseas investors. So in essence as far as Texas goes, the bottom line with this may
turn out to be the real world telling Obama he can bite me !
 
   

[BUGEYE]

Well Anna,  those were two very good posts.  If Texas were to secede, and if obama were to try to stop them militarily, where would he get his troops??  the military can't be used domestically, and Texas has enough real men to kick butt on any other federal agency, plus neighboring states have folks who would love to put hussein in his place.  there would be no shortage of fighting men.
Me and the little woman might even drive my truck down with supplies.

hussein said in his speech that most americans wanted gun control.  I disagree after seeing the lines at gun shows and gun stores.  the people are angry and they won't take much more from this arrogant jerk that the liberals call THEIR president.

[SHOOTALL]

If it were not for Texas and the few other states who support the nation the liberal nanny  states would go belly up . If Texas suceded they better build a wall around the state or the illegals from the north would flood the state.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from BUGEYE:
"Well Anna,  those were two very good posts.  If Texas were to secede, and if obama were to try to stop them militarily, where would he get his troops??  the military can't be used domestically, and Texas has enough real men to kick butt on any other federal agency, plus neighboring states have folks who would love to put hussein in his place.  there would be no shortage of fighting men."


Or the US waits until Texas actually secedes, then comes in and take it back. Not using troops domestically that way.
GuzziJohn

[rickt300]

Why couldn't Texas kick all the fed agencies out and start protecting it's own border? After all protecting our borders is why the states entered the Union in the first place, something Obama shows little interest in. Would we be forced to seccede if we did that?

[SHOOTALL]

Quote from BUGEYE:
"Well Anna,  those were two very good posts.  If Texas were to secede, and if obama were to try to stop them militarily, where would he get his troops??  the military can't be used domesticallyThey really can what they cannot do is arrest US citizens , here during the roits and floods the Nat. Guard is called up and each group gets a policeman paired with them to arrest if needed. Federal troops were deployed in Washington DC and fired on US citizens after ww2 and other places , and Texas has enough real men to kick butt on any other federal agency, plus neighboring states have folks who would love to put hussein in his place.  there would be no shortage of fighting men."


Or the US waits until Texas actually secedes, then comes in and take it back. Not using troops domestically that way.
GuzziJohn

[Dee]

What I posted concerning Texas's entry into the U.S. is historical fact. However, Texas has tried to secede once before along with several other states. I refer you back to the UNCIVIL WAR. Texas along with the other states, was ATTACKED by the United States Army, as ordered by "THE FIRST LINCOLN".
To imagine that "THE SECOND LINCOLN" would not do likewise is foolish daydreaming. It ain't gonna happen as far as Texas secession. I've lived here all my life (63 years), and while the mystic is mostly there, a lot of folks from a lot of other states (and countries) that live here do not feel the same way as you or I.
Posse Comitatus is something I am very familiar with, but Waco should be a "shining example" as to what other Texans, will and won't do, when the government rolls in the tanks, and helicopters, against fellow Americans, and FELLOW TEXANS.
How easily we forget, when emotional daydreams take over.

[ChungDoQuan]

Texas would be betting an awful lot on its own population identifying themselves as Texans. I think there would be an awful lot of them that identify themselves as Americans first. The rightys are acting like children. Spoiled children. They ran everything for fifty years or so, into the ground, I might add, and now that they're not top dog anymore, they want to quit the game. Another ill attempt at applying a simple solution to a complicated problem...


125,000 is not many for a state with the population of Texas.

[SHOOTALL]

yes we should look to Ca. to see how well the lefties run things .
Run every thing for 50 years into the ground , where does this drivle come from ?
quit the game , no just not ride the liberal ship to the bottom

[SHOOTALL]

After deep consideration would it not be better to ban the states sucking dry the productive states instead of states like Texas seceding ?

[Dee]

Everyone needs to come back to reality as far as this secessin thing. Nobodies' goin anywhere. They (the government) would never allow it. History WOULD repeat itself, and a CRISIS WOULD BE PROVIDED to make some more DRAMATIC MOVES toward SOCIALISM.

[SwampThing762]

No surprise there.   All the oil refineries are in Louisiana and Texas.  Louisiana would follow right behind Texas in secession.   Hus Imperial Majesty Hussein has to keep the oil refineries in possession to sustain his regime.

As far as the first Lincoln, he was more of a political pragmatist.  He wanted to halt the further spread of slavery, and reimburse slaveowners for their loss of property.  He even looked at the cost to ship them back to Africa, which, of course, was too costly.   It was the abolitionists in his Cabinet, namely Seward, Cameron, and Stanton, that wanted to crush the South, abolish slavery, and foist all the blacks upon society.

This new Lincoln is a whole different creature.  He wants to abolish capitalism instead of slavery.  He wants to use the communist economic model; in other words, he wants to be the new Massa'.

ST762

[dwalk]

the very fact that succession has been addressed, under obama's watch, is, in itself, food for thought, is it not?


IMO, it could signal the beginning a another "Civil war" of a sort...


having lived in  Texas, OK, North and South Carolina, i know and understand: the old civil war is still "alive and well"


the treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe in 1852, established California and mexico as being two separate, individual, nations did it not? a fact that most modern activists blatantly ignore...IIRC there is a law that says a state may secede ONLY if it was a Republic before it joined the union.


is it not correct that Texas and California were republics before becoming states? IIRC, California became a state the same year it became a republic.


obama is smart enough to know that if Texas withdraws from the union, others will, surely, follow...Arizona, Montana, OK, MS, LA, GA, WY. if you look into history...virtually EVERY 'empire' ends up JUST LIKE THAT; it breaks up into smaller "countries" "republics". "domains" or whatever. very current examples: USSR, the British empire, the French empire...


let's face facts...obama has created more division in this country than any president in our history! if anything, a movement to impeach him should be started; it would have a better chance of succeeding IMO.

[Dixie Dude]

If it got so bad as for Texas to succeed, then like someone said Louisana would probably follow suit.  Also, Oklahoma, then some mountain states like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, North and South Dakota.  Then probably some southern states, and the snowball effect might would work.  No one in todays liberal world would want to fight to hold it together.  In the 1800's it was solid one way or the other. 

[Dee]

Actually it was brother against brother, and father against son, in MANY cases.

[powderman]

let's face facts...obama has created more division in this country than any president in our history! if anything, a movement to impeach him should be started; it would have a better chance of succeeding IMO.

 
DWALK. Good post Sir. All part of husseins plan to destroy us with the help  of his faithfil obummerbots. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

If it got so bad as for Texas to succeed, then like someone said Louisana would probably follow suit.  Also, Oklahoma, then some mountain states like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, North and South Dakota.  Then probably some southern states, and the snowball effect might would work.  No one in todays liberal world would want to fight to hold it together.  In the 1800's it was solid one way or the other.

Many in the north sided with the South and if it were solid why was there need for a draft in the north ? Some say if the Irish had not migrated to America there would not have been enough on either side to fight a war . As many went into service both in the South and North when they got off the boat.

[two-blocked]

What you guys need is a secession leader.
Either of these guys would work
 
!
 

[Dee]

I think I'll go watch "Red Dawn". I need re-inspired.

[BUGEYE]

is it not correct that Texas and California were republics before becoming states? IIRC, California became a state the same year it became a republic.
.

Correct, Texas was a republic for ten years.


I wonder if they can turn off the gas to DC?

[SHOOTALL]

is it not correct that Texas and California were republics before becoming states? IIRC, California became a state the same year it became a republic.
.

Correct, Texas was a republic for ten years.


I wonder if they can turn off the gas to DC?what good would that do ? they are full of their own gas 

[Anna]

What you guys need is a secession leader.
Either of these guys would work
 
!

Hummm, you know your right two- blocked . Easter and Christmas, by their true meaning that
is an excellent idea ! But it's already going to happen and he will be victorious over libtard logic.
So make sure your on the right side when that happens . But thank you for your comic jab that backfired on you try to do better next time .

[two-blocked]

Thanks Annie,
Have a nice day.

[tomtomz]

If you don't want to be a Citizen of these United States, go. By all means, go.

Or stop yer whining. It is getting old. And pathetic.