Author Topic: Hussein says, Texas can NOT secede, must remain part of his kingdom. (Read 2197 times)

powderman · « **Reply #30 on:** January 17, 2013, 09:15:35 PM »

Quote from: Dee on January 17, 2013, 07:25:08 AM

I think I'll go watch "Red Dawn". I need re-inspired.

DEE. I finally found the video about 2 mo ago and bought it. Haven't seen the new version. POWDERMAN.

Anna · « **Reply #31 on:** January 18, 2013, 12:37:26 AM »

That's quite alright two-blocked think nothing of it . Your just way too sharp for the rest of us you
dont miss a thing do you ?

garbhead · « **Reply #32 on:** January 18, 2013, 12:48:47 AM »

If the people of Texas want to leave the union, let em go. But I doubt if the Republic of Texas has the means to immediately take over responsibility of all the federal payments for SS checks , Fed retirement funds, Medicare, etc. Plus all Federal highways would have to be maintained...borders would all be closed. No free travel to surrounding states. Not sure the people would be all that eager to leave. Would soon be another revolution of the have-nots against the haves. United we stand, divided we all fall.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #33 on:** January 18, 2013, 01:38:47 AM »

I've heard several people say that we are more divided today than since 1860. Working people and conservatives are getting more and more fed up and aggitated. We see lazyness, welfare queens, money wasted on nothing. Kids aren't being educated like they should be. Crime in inner cities never ceases. Rich aganist poor, shrinking middle class. The economy MUST GROW in order for all people to have UPWARD mobility in a true capitalist nature. Not this stagnating socialism stuff.

Dee · « **Reply #34 on:** January 18, 2013, 03:09:16 AM »

Quote from: garbhead on January 18, 2013, 12:48:47 AM

If the people of Texas want to leave the union, let em go. But I doubt if the Republic of Texas has the means to immediately take over responsibility of all the federal payments for SS checks , Fed retirement funds, Medicare, etc. Plus all Federal highways would have to be maintained...borders would all be closed. No free travel to surrounding states. Not sure the people would be all that eager to leave. Would soon be another revolution of the have-nots against the haves. United we stand, divided we all fall.

If it were possible I would be happy for Texas to secede. As far as all you mentioned here. We would be much better off, without the heavy burden of BANKRUPT STATES, AND UNION BAILOUTS from up north. However, D.C. knows that THEY couldn't make it without US. Texas has over 60% of all government contracts ect. We get things done down here. They won't let us leave.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #35 on:** January 18, 2013, 05:46:16 AM »

Quote from: garbhead on January 18, 2013, 12:48:47 AM

If the people of Texas want to leave the union, let em go. But I doubt if the Republic of Texas has the means to immediately take over responsibility of all the federal payments for SS checks , Fed retirement funds, Medicare, etc. Plus all Federal highways would have to be maintained...borders would all be closed. No free travel to surrounding states. Not sure the people would be all that eager to leave. Would soon be another revolution of the have-nots against the haves. United we stand, divided we all fall.

I would rather live in Texas without my SS check than to live in Ca, NY, or IL with it.
I would love to move back to IL since I grew up there and have a lot of family there, but I would be a criminal there.

BAGTIC · « **Reply #36 on:** February 03, 2013, 04:37:43 PM »

DEE,
First get yourself some accurate history books. The CSA was not attacked by the US ARMY. The US ARMY was attacked by Carolina.
While you are at it get as copy of the US Constitution. The States already have the right to secede just as they did in 1860.
I doubt Texas get 60 % of federal projects but in any case you are asking the wrong question. It is not whether USA could do without Texas it is how would Texas do when it lost all those contracts and US military installations with their payrolls closed. USA would still get its share of the oil as oil is a world market traded commodity than Texas would continue to sell to pay its debts. We would but Texas oil just as we now but Mexican and Canadian oil. No loss to USA but Texas would lose big, federal money, jobs, commerce, trade, etc.
It is not a good idea to spend too much time in that hot Texas sun without a hat.

Larry L · « **Reply #37 on:** February 03, 2013, 05:48:49 PM »

In order for a group of folks to become part of the US, they must vote for statehood. Like Puerto Rico did a few years back. Texas was never given the opportunity. As a territory the Union troops were invited to stay to offer protection from Mexico right after our independence. There were no Civil War battles in Texas and Texas is not a conquered territory. There is right now HB 568 I believe, that will consider how much Federal dollars are coming into Texas and how the State can handle it thus telling the Feds to kiss off. We'll be on our own after that. Considering that Texas generates more wind energy than the entire planet combined and is growing at the rate of 2 generators per day. Considering we have more gas and oil offshore that the current dictator won't let us drill on. Considering we have a tremendous agriculture here which includes fruits, vegetables, and obviously cattle. Considering we have some of the finest medical research hospitals in world. Considering we have more refineries here than any other state. Considering we have our own army and air force. Considering that Mexico considers the US an unfriendly nation but Texas a good neighbor. Considering Texas has over time developed relations with other countries all over the world who would support our independence. Texas doesn't need the US. Wanna see gas prices go up? Wanna see food prices go up? Wanna start seeing brown outs in your neighborhoods and see your electric bill go thru the roof? If Texas secedes, these scenarios are coming to your neighborhood and quick. Texans are all about handling our own problems and right now the morons in DC are a problem here. It's only a matter of time folks. And yes, we'll be glad to be gone.

tomtomz · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2013, 06:01:44 PM »

You don't hear or read anyone in the other 49 states asking you to stay.

That alone speaks volumes.

Do something. Talking it to death with no action is just another hot wind
blowing up from Texas.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #39 on:** February 03, 2013, 11:08:14 PM »

In all my travels, I've found that Texas, except for Dallas, is the friendliest state there is...
And I had the worlds best steak in Abilene.

rickt300 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2013, 04:31:34 AM »

Quote from: BAGTIC on February 03, 2013, 04:37:43 PM

DEE,
First get yourself some accurate history books. The CSA was not attacked by the US ARMY. The US ARMY was attacked by Carolina.
While you are at it get as copy of the US Constitution. The States already have the right to secede just as they did in 1860.
I doubt Texas get 60 % of federal projects but in any case you are asking the wrong question. It is not whether USA could do without Texas it is how would Texas do when it lost all those contracts and US military installations with their payrolls closed. USA would still get its share of the oil as oil is a world market traded commodity than Texas would continue to sell to pay its debts. We would but Texas oil just as we now but Mexican and Canadian oil. No loss to USA but Texas would lose big, federal money, jobs, commerce, trade, etc.
It is not a good idea to spend too much time in that hot Texas sun without a hat.

Interesting that you say South Carolina attacked the U.S.Army. The Federal ttoops were holding property of South Carolina located strategicaly in the mouth of a harbor (Fort Sumner). They were asked to leave and refused so they were then forcibly removed. As to the "big" federal money jobs your hero is about to shut all that down anyway when he destroys our currency and allows Sequester to happen. At that point it will be more than smart to seperate from the leftist empire.

rickt300 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2013, 04:35:04 AM »

Quote from: tomtomz on February 03, 2013, 06:01:44 PM

You don't hear or read anyone in the other 49 states asking you to stay.

That alone speaks volumes.

Do something. Talking it to death with no action is just another hot wind
blowing up from Texas.

Nice point TT, but another one that is valid is the other 20 plus states that want to seccede also. And the multitude that are passing laws to make federal agents felons if they enforce federal law.

tomtomz · « **Reply #42 on:** February 05, 2013, 05:58:14 PM »

How many states will follow if Texas secedes?

How popular is Texas?

Let's find out.

Anna · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2013, 02:06:22 AM »

Those other states know it would be to big a gamble without Texas. Especially the land locked ones .
You might have a stand off with those states that have nuclear capabilitys though.
But that would be like in the book Mocking jay where the Capital was afraid the mess with district
13 . But district 13 was also afraid to mess with the Capital by itself .

District 13 being land locked was on a tight rope as far as food and supply's for its people with no
outside help. It was apparent to 13 that it was getting to the point a coalition was needed with the other districts for its survival. It was all pretty much conventional at that point and 13 was limited
to only destroying the Capital. Any coalition would quickly fall apart without at least half of the other
districts joining in with 13.

All the same, you didn't mess with 13. But for 13 it was ignored and basicly wrote off in what was
some 75 year old siege that was starting to take its toll on them. The book is well thought out in this reguard as far as a civil war or any revolution and resembles what we are talking about here.
District 12 was energy, district 4 was the bread basket. But to me it was district 2 that more closely
resembled Texas than any other. It had a little of everything including a very large milllitary that
was the teeth of the Capitals power.

But here's the deal, once the sparks started to fly and the other districts joined in with 13. They
quickly found out that 13 was just as bad as the Capital was with its own agenda. It became the
devil you knew VS the devil you didn't. The revolution became a revolution even within itself.
The Coalition districts, or states found themselves in the middle of one very bloody war coming
from both sides with them supplying the blood.

It was never them who had the military hardware like 13 or the Capital had, and without capturing
district 2 it would all soon fall apart . With nukes and well equipped army's staring down at them
from both ends the other 11 districts found themselves in a very bad situation. 2 had to be taken at
all cost and the Capital was not going to give up 2 very easily. But even then after two did finally fall
at a very large price. They still had the Capital to invade and it was waiting for them.

And with 13 at their backs saying you had better it was not a great situation . In other words the two
big boys now had the rest of the districts in a position where they could nuke the crap out of them
without any retaliation from the other side .Something to think about in all this .Just because Texas
is big and bad it may not matter. It could end up being Kansas or one of the Dakotas that may end up calling the shots.

Which ever side starts to win they had better make sure it was worth it. It was ironic that after the
Rebels had taken the Capital and won the war. The President of the former Capital before he was
to be executed for war crimes. Laughed in the face of the Coalition telling them I hope you like
your new masters . Something about them he had known all along.

Dee · « **Reply #44 on:** February 06, 2013, 03:01:36 AM »

LOL! This gets better all the time. Texas secession is indeed fantasy/fiction.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #45 on:** February 06, 2013, 03:18:33 AM »

Might make a good Tom Clancy novel.GuzziJohn

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #46 on:** February 06, 2013, 04:02:16 AM »

It would be interesting, to say the least, if Texas invoked their right to sucede. Big news for the media. Everyone would be watchin the news, although everyone here does not trust the news. Anyway, even if Texas could work out the logistics of such a move (Texas citizens for and against, doing without federal assistance, removal of all federal employees, installation and maintenance of an army, dealing with the thousands of civil suits, maintaining their highways, having some other agency delivering their mail, establishing border security on all sides without Border Patrol to the south, etc.), even if Obama didn't exist, the U.S. gov't would never allow it. The first national guard person who got killed (and you know the national guard would be called in), the entire weight and power of the federal gov't would fall on Texas like a hammer. A civil war will never happen again in the U.S. This ain't the 1800's.

Remember when the Democrats got mad when Bush was elected to his last term? They threatened to move to Canada, only to find out Canadian citizenship is not so easily acquired. They sucked it up and stayed put. So will Texas.

rickt300 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 06, 2013, 04:17:43 AM »

Quote from: garbhead on January 18, 2013, 12:48:47 AM

If the people of Texas want to leave the union, let em go. But I doubt if the Republic of Texas has the means to immediately take over responsibility of all the federal payments for SS checks , Fed retirement funds, Medicare, etc. Plus all Federal highways would have to be maintained...borders would all be closed. No free travel to surrounding states. Not sure the people would be all that eager to leave. Would soon be another revolution of the have-nots against the haves. United we stand, divided we all fall.

Many people live in other countries and recieve Social Security checks. Same with the Fed retirement funds. Federal highways are maintained with money Texas sends to the federal government and has to beg to get back and usually some coersion is in place (last time lowering the blood alcohol level for DWI's). Why would we have to close the borders? Just register everyone that comes across and give them a visa after a background check. Anyone not eager to leave the Union could leave the state and be wished well.

rickt300 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 06, 2013, 04:31:39 AM »

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on February 06, 2013, 04:02:16 AM

It would be interesting, to say the least, if Texas invoked their right to secede. Big news for the media. Everyone would be watchin the news, although everyone here does not trust the news. Anyway, even if Texas could work out the logistics of such a move (Texas citizens for and against, doing without federal assistance, removal of all federal employees, installation and maintenance of an army, dealing with the thousands of civil suits, maintaining their highways, having some other agency delivering their mail, establishing border security on all sides without Border Patrol to the south, etc.), even if Obama didn't exist, the U.S. govt would never allow it. The first national guard person who got killed (and you know the national guard would be called in), the entire weight and power of the federal govt would fall on Texas like a hammer. A civil war will never happen again in the U.S. This ain't the 1800's.

It would indeed be big news. Federal assistance, You mean an entity refusing to allow the state to handle immigration or protect it's border? Check out Arizona for that issue. Removing Federal employees would be a pleasure actually. Texas has the money to maintain her own highways by the way. I'm sure FedEx or UPS could deliver the mail better than USPS and cheaper too (already true). Exactly when was border security established by the Federal government? Not so sure about the National Guard, you would be surprised just how unlikely it would be for them to fight for tyranny. Nice that you notice this "ain't" the 1800's. This true and insightful fact is a key point. Slavery is no longer an issue to inflame the masses into killing their countrymen. Lincoln in pushing the Civil war violated our Constitution in a horrible manner resulting in the deaths of millions and then the theft of properties on a grand scale, currently the lawyers would be the great arm of power for any state that wished to seccede. Secession is not an act of aggression.

rickt300 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 06, 2013, 04:43:19 AM »

Quote from: Dee on February 06, 2013, 03:01:36 AM

LOL! This gets better all the time. Texas secession is indeed fantasy/fiction.

The Obama team would be a far better thing if it were fantasy/fiction.

dwalk · « **Reply #50 on:** February 06, 2013, 04:44:41 AM »

Quote from: Dee on January 17, 2013, 03:04:23 AM

What I posted concerning Texas's entry into the U.S. is historical fact. However, Texas has tried to secede once before along with several other states. I refer you back to the UNCIVIL WAR. Texas along with the other states, was ATTACKED by the United States Army, as ordered by "THE FIRST LINCOLN".
To imagine that "THE SECOND LINCOLN" would not do likewise is foolish daydreaming. It ain't gonna happen as far as Texas secession. I've lived here all my life (63 years), and while the mystic is mostly there, a lot of folks from a lot of other states (and countries) that live here do not feel the same way as you or I.
Posse Comitatus is something I am very familiar with, but Waco should be a "shining example" as to what other Texans, will and won't do, when the government rolls in the tanks, and helicopters, against fellow Americans, and FELLOW TEXANS.
How easily we forget, when emotional daydreams take over.

how very true...IIRC the feds could get no convictions of any sort against the survivors of the Waco massacre...IIRC the whole tragedy was based on a demand on Koresh to pay some sort of firearms taxes...

eighty persons, mostly children, murdered over TAXES...this nation, and that administration, should hang their heads in shame over that travesty!

Dee · « **Reply #51 on:** February 06, 2013, 05:34:16 AM »

Quote from: rickt300 on February 06, 2013, 04:43:19 AM

Quote from: Dee on February 06, 2013, 03:01:36 AM
LOL! This gets better all the time. Texas secession is indeed fantasy/fiction.
The Obama team would be a far better thing if it were fantasy/fiction.

yes it would. But it's not. Everyone might as well get over it and rethink their voting methods cause the one their usin ain't workin.

ironglow · « **Reply #52 on:** February 06, 2013, 06:00:21 AM »

Quote from: SwampThing762 on January 17, 2013, 04:20:57 AM

No surprise there. All the oil refineries are in Louisiana and Texas. Louisiana would follow right behind Texas in secession. Hus Imperial Majesty Hussein has to keep the oil refineries in possession to sustain his regime.

As far as the first Lincoln, he was more of a political pragmatist. He wanted to halt the further spread of slavery, and reimburse slaveowners for their loss of property. He even looked at the cost to ship them back to Africa, which, of course, was too costly. It was the abolitionists in his Cabinet, namely Seward, Cameron, and Stanton, that wanted to crush the South, abolish slavery, and foist all the blacks upon society.

This new Lincoln is a whole different creature. He wants to abolish capitalism instead of slavery. He wants to use the communist economic model; in other words, he wants to be the new Massa'.

ST762

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If Texas & Louisiana were to secede, could Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi and Arizona be far behind? I once lived in Texas, guess I should have stayed there.
Only a little added tyranny, may force Alaska to consider departure...

Only the idiot majority in the blue states seem to back the Obamanation.... and some of them are waking up..

rickt300 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 06, 2013, 12:55:21 PM »

Quote from: tomtomz on February 05, 2013, 05:58:14 PM

How many states will follow if Texas secedes?

How popular is Texas?

Let's find out.

An odd post. Texas is not running a popularity contest, neither am I.

Dee · « **Reply #54 on:** February 06, 2013, 01:18:55 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on February 06, 2013, 12:55:21 PM

Quote from: tomtomz on February 05, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
How many states will follow if Texas secedes?

How popular is Texas?

Let's find out.
An odd post. Texas is not running a popularity contest, neither am I.

I agree. That dumbass Glen Beck moved his bunch down here to Dallas, and gets on XM tryin to get every other Yankee in the country ta move down here too. That's just what we need. It's too crowded now.

oldandslow · « **Reply #55 on:** February 06, 2013, 01:27:40 PM »

Texas ain't going anywhere. It's all hot air and BS. Texas or any other state can't stand on their own without federal money. All states feed at the federal trough which is funded basically with borrowed money. Every state is going to continue as is until the UNION goes belly up from too much debt and then we will be like the USSR and cease to exist as a nation. It's going to be a tough row to hoe. When the feds can't get anyone to lend them anymore more money we are DONE.

We managed to spend the USSR into oblivion. Now we can't live within our nation's capability and we are doomed to the same fate.

Dee · « **Reply #56 on:** February 06, 2013, 01:34:45 PM »

Guess your not movin down here then? Well there's a little sunshine in your prediction.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #57 on:** February 06, 2013, 01:38:09 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 06, 2013, 06:00:21 AM

Quote from: SwampThing762 on January 17, 2013, 04:20:57 AM
No surprise there. All the oil refineries are in Louisiana and Texas. Louisiana would follow right behind Texas in secession. Hus Imperial Majesty Hussein has to keep the oil refineries in possession to sustain his regime.

As far as the first Lincoln, he was more of a political pragmatist. He wanted to halt the further spread of slavery, and reimburse slaveowners for their loss of property. He even looked at the cost to ship them back to Africa, which, of course, was too costly. It was the abolitionists in his Cabinet, namely Seward, Cameron, and Stanton, that wanted to crush the South, abolish slavery, and foist all the blacks upon society.

This new Lincoln is a whole different creature. He wants to abolish capitalism instead of slavery. He wants to use the communist economic model; in other words, he wants to be the new Massa'.

ST762
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If Texas & Louisiana were to secede, could Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi and Arizona be far behind? I once lived in Texas, guess I should have stayed there.
Only a little added tyranny, may force Alaska to consider departure...

Only the idiot majority in the blue states seem to back the Obamanation.... and some of them are waking up..

maybe we can all secede...but kaliphornia..hawaii new york illinoise.....and DC

rickt300 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2013, 05:39:11 AM »

Quote from: Dee on February 06, 2013, 01:18:55 PM

Quote from: rickt300 on February 06, 2013, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: tomtomz on February 05, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
How many states will follow if Texas secedes?

How popular is Texas?

Let's find out.
An odd post. Texas is not running a popularity contest, neither am I.
I agree. That dumbass Glen Beck moved his bunch down here to Dallas, and gets on XM tryin to get every other Yankee in the country ta move down here too. That's just what we need. It's too crowded now.

Hopefully only enlightened Yankee's will move down here. I will take a Yankee over a Mexican illegal anyday.

rickt300 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2013, 05:42:10 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 06, 2013, 06:00:21 AM

Quote from: SwampThing762 on January 17, 2013, 04:20:57 AM
No surprise there. All the oil refineries are in Louisiana and Texas. Louisiana would follow right behind Texas in secession. Hus Imperial Majesty Hussein has to keep the oil refineries in possession to sustain his regime.

As far as the first Lincoln, he was more of a political pragmatist. He wanted to halt the further spread of slavery, and reimburse slaveowners for their loss of property. He even looked at the cost to ship them back to Africa, which, of course, was too costly. It was the abolitionists in his Cabinet, namely Seward, Cameron, and Stanton, that wanted to crush the South, abolish slavery, and foist all the blacks upon society.

This new Lincoln is a whole different creature. He wants to abolish capitalism instead of slavery. He wants to use the communist economic model; in other words, he wants to be the new Massa'.

ST762
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If Texas & Louisiana were to secede, could Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi and Arizona be far behind? I once lived in Texas, guess I should have stayed there.
Only a little added tyranny, may force Alaska to consider departure...

Only the idiot majority in the blue states seem to back the Obamanation.... and some of them are waking up..

Your map would have a lot more red in it if it depicted all the precincts that voted red instead of the idiotic winner take all electoral college scam.