Why liberals use this site

[guzzijohn]

BUGEYE posted this on another thread and I thought it might deserve some discussion:
"It's sure easy to spot the liberals.   I wonder why they're at a website where people own guns and like to hunt and fish?"


I will start with myself which I am quite sure 99.9% here consider me a liberal. I live in the country and love it. I grew up a farm/ranch kid. I use to hunt much more than I do now but I love to shoot and I reload. I very much enjoy fishing when I have the time. On my property I have two ponds and a 36 acre watershed lake (was 36 acres before the drought). I first found this site by searching for help with my Handi .243. I then discovered that this is one of the most active and comprehensive sites out there for information on firearms and outdoor hobbies/life. Then one day I made the mistake of looking into the "Pot Belly Stove" section (I think that was when politics were still under this area). It was like a newspaper "opinion line" but I could immediately respond back and I was hooked for better or for worse. If one never strays out of their comfort zone as in me staying active here how does one ever expand their learning and interests. Oh! I forgot there are some people that are very scared to go out of there comfort zone. Maybe some here need to find some liberal sites and start to stir things up there a bit.
GuzziJohn

[LONGTOM]

I think you answered your own question.
You live in the country, you love to hunt, fish, and enjoy the outdoors just the same as most of us here.
No one ever said a liberal can't enjoy the same things as a conservative!
We just have different views on how we think things should be handled or run, especially the government.
Glad to have you as a member!!!
 
 
LONGTOM

[guzzijohn]

Quote from LONGTOM:
"Glad to have you as a member!!!"


Thank you sir!
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

  Why would one wish to go out of their comfort zone when looking for a site to enjoy talking hunting , fishing etc ? To be quite honest I like having a place with like minded folks to relax , engage in sprited conversation and gain experince on issues that mean someting to me.
 Why do liberals feel consertives want to be on liberal sites ? There are very few liberal talk shows on radio mostly for lack of support I figured it was the same with online sites really.
  Consertives are happy with the way they are in most cases so why look around ? It's the liberals who seem to always be serching.
  Now I don't mind liberals here as long as they remain respectful of others and have good post that relate to the subject. I really don't mind liberals in life if the again respect others and are willing to comprise on things . Are willing TO NOT BE OFFENDED BY OTHER PEOPLES CHOICES AND LIFESTYLES.
 The really funny thing is most consertives are willing to allow liberals their freedoms where most liberals feel the freedoms consertives hold dear are some how hurting them.
 A perfect example is the gun debate the consertives don't want the right infringed and liberals ( not all but many) are willing to give up part or all of that freedom because either they have no use for a gun or are afraid to have one , thinking if no one does somehow they will be safer. To be honest the liberal with a consertive slant ( will side with the republicans)will decide the issue or it will be decided in court. Which brings up a point there are many liberal and consertives who share some but not all values. But we have allowed the leaders who will not comprise blind us to that fact.

[BUGEYE]

 
 The really funny thing is most consertives are willing to allow liberals their freedoms where most liberals feel the freedoms consertives hold dear are some how hurting them.
 A perfect example is the gun debate the consertives don't want the right infringed and liberals ( not all but many) are willing to give up part or all of that freedom because either they have no use for a gun or are afraid to have one , thinking if no one does somehow they will be safer.

That says it pretty good.

[powderman]

guzzi. All that and you still voted for and support the biggest anti gun potus and party we have ever seen. Go figger. You are probably here for the reasons you stated, others came here to stir the pot and divide gun owners. As for you?? I'm glad you are here. POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

I once had a VP that called himself a Liberal and we giving me and the National Sales manager greif about some Conservitive loss.
I then told him he can not be both a Liberal and a VP as the two are mutually exclusive.  A VP's Job is to maximize profits, minamize taxes, and eliminate or skirt regulations that impede the making of our products.  A liberal wants to Max Taxes, minamize profits, bonus is a bad word, regulations are needed and more are better to keep the air and water cleaner, and as a liberal making anything in a non Union shop is bad.  That if a product is not liked the liberals want to ban it.  So I asked are you a good VP and a hypocrital Liberal or are you a good Liberal and a Bad VP.
So John I ask you the same question.  Are you a good liberal, a hypocritical liberal, or you are just confussed as to what the liberals really stand for and you want to be part of the low information voter crowd as you think progress is something other than the progression of Communism?   
I also see that if you are a liberal on one topic you tend to focus on it and not what the liberal platform is and stands for
By the way the President over hearsd what I was asking and the VP was terminated not long after. 
Oh I also find that most liberals do not think thrings through.  PETA wants to end all pet ownership, meat eating and hunting. 

[Swift One]

The politics meter actually has a communist/nazi/BS level at both ends of the scale.  There are many levels of Liberal and many levels of conservatives.  What I have found is that ultra liberals are at the left end of the scale and ultra conservatives are at the right end of the scale.
 
What I have found in life and on this site is that liberals and conservatives that fall somewhere in between the ends can be quite approachable with ideas and views, seem to have an understanding and respect for others beliefs, and for the most part are not walking around with their favored party political blinders on.  The closer to the center of the scale that people sit at, the more they seem to have the ability to have an open conversation with a multitude of walks of life and maintain some civility.
 
A normal liberal does not want to erase the bible and all of it's advantages as a very good book on how to live life and treat others.  A normal conservative is not going to pretend or have dillusions that they are the right hand of god and walk around condemning people because they are not living EXACTLY and word for word the way it was written in a book.
 
Takes all types to make the world go around. 

[Redtail1949]

i do not care what your race, color, or creed is. you seem to enjoy most of the things i do. you seem to be proud that you are an American and that you live in the Greatest Nation ever.
you politics may or may not be the same as mine, so what! i would be glad to have you in my foxhole if the shtf. i say my hats off to you as a fellow sportsman and American and that is good enough for me.

[BBF]

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...................... Maybe some here need to find some liberal sites and start to stir things up there a bit.
GuzziJohn

Nothing personal here John but I couldn't stand the "smell"  of these Sites.

[KIMBER45]

I come here for several reasons. One was because I have guns. At least I thought I did , till someone here hinted that I didn't. I'll have to check the gunsafe and see if he visited my dwelling ,while I was at the Liberals for Conservative Ideas Convention , and stole them.
Seriously - 95% of the members are great guys. They can debate and at least listen to another side of the arguement. Often valid points are made by both sides and I enjoy listening to someones elses opinion. It's educational  and at times changes my perspective. . THAN THERE'S THE OTHER 5%.

[BBF]

Kimber45
 
Do you think there is a third group that could be labeled Neutral or Middle of the Road if you like that term better?

[KIMBER45]

Kimber45
 
Do you think there is a third group that could be labeled Neutral or Middle of the Road if you like that term better?

I sure do. In fact I consider myself one of those, but some hear label you as black or white. So according to them, I'm a Liberal. I am what I am and name calling doesn't bother me. I consider it sophomoric behavior from those who aren't capable of carrying on an educated discussion.

[lakota]

I wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they would just quit trying to infringe upon my rights and quit telling me what to think and what to believe. My father in law is a prime example. You are not entitled to think for yourself or choose your own beliefs. You may only think what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to think and believe what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to believe. If you dare to disagree you will be shouted down and called vile names. Oh and according to him people like George Zimmerman are not entitled to a fair trial because people like Jesse and AL and  Black Panters all say he is guilty therefore he should be executed immediately without due process, and I and people like me should go to jail because we own guns, even though he has a bag full of handguns that he needs for self defense. He is a textbook jackass, know-it -all, holier-than-thou liberal. I refuse to speak to him beyond simple pleasantries because he is incapable of rational discussion. You either nod you head in agreement with him or you are screamed at and called names, and I refuse to agree with his MSNBC regurgitations.

[BUGEYE]

A conservative president would not be taking us down the road to socialism.
The liberal president stated that the constitution was a flawed document. So he has taken over the country via executive orders and ignoring the constitution.
After he appoints probably, two more SCOTUS judges, you will not have any rights that the supremes disapprove of.  Plus, liberal judges are notorious for legislating from the bench.


To the conservatives here, I hate that this is going to happen to you.
To the liberals, y'all are getting what you deserve. Servitude under Obama.

[KIMBER45]

A conservative president would not be taking us down the road to socialism.
The liberal president stated that the constitution was a flawed document. So he has taken over the country via executive orders and ignoring the constitution.
After he appoints probably, two more SCOTUS judges, you will not have any rights that the supremes disapprove of.  Plus, liberal judges are notorious for legislating from the bench.


To the conservatives here, I hate that this is going to happen to you.
To the liberals, y'all are getting what you deserve. Servitude under Obama.

What does that have to do with "Why liberals use this site"

[KIMBER45]

I wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they would just quit trying to infringe upon my rights and quit telling me what to think and what to believe. My father in law is a prime example. You are not entitled to think for yourself or choose your own beliefs. You may only think what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to think and believe what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to believe. If you dare to disagree you will be shouted down and called vile names. Oh and according to him people like George Zimmerman are not entitled to a fair trial because people like Jesse and AL and  Black Panters all say he is guilty therefore he should be executed immediately without due process, and I and people like me should go to jail because we own guns, even though he has a bag full of handguns that he needs for self defense. He is a textbook jackass, know-it -all, holier-than-thou liberal. I refuse to speak to him beyond simple pleasantries because he is incapable of rational discussion. You either nod you head in agreement with him or you are screamed at and called names, and I refuse to agree with his MSNBC regurgitations.

Agree, but there are conservatives that do the same. You need only to look at past posts here and watch certain conservative talk shows to get the same reaction. It's time we agree that it's common on both sides.

[guzzijohn]

Lets just say when it comes to my politics there is a lot of grey area. I do not see most of the world in a black and white way, there are just to many exceptions to things. A few here have stated in the past that if a politician is for all the 2nd amendment means and against abortion nothing else really matters. In my world many other things matter. In my work I see many injustices and many misunderstandings. People with disabilities are the ones that are still probably the most discriminated against in a number of ways, sometimes intentional most of the time out of ignorance, and the least able to defend themselves.
Growing up as a farm kid I understand what hard physical work is and to be candid I really don't care for it, however I love the rural setting and overall lifestyle. I have a deep appreciation for nature and our natural world.
Growing up as a Mennonite and in recent years returning to the church has made me look hard at how we deal with those that are different than me and those that are disadvantaged compared to me. My father was a great role model. He dropped out of school when he was 13 to work the farm full time after the death of my grandfather and he loved school. In spite of that he served on the local school board and other community boards. He never complained about paying taxes and saw the need for taxes.
Although some here can frustrate the crap out of me at times my life would be duller without the interaction and learning more how others see things and react to them.
GuzziJohn

[BUGEYE]

I wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they would just quit trying to infringe upon my rights and quit telling me what to think and what to believe. My father in law is a prime example. You are not entitled to think for yourself or choose your own beliefs. You may only think what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to think and believe what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to believe. If you dare to disagree you will be shouted down and called vile names. Oh and according to him people like George Zimmerman are not entitled to a fair trial because people like Jesse and AL and  Black Panters all say he is guilty therefore he should be executed immediately without due process, and I and people like me should go to jail because we own guns, even though he has a bag full of handguns that he needs for self defense. He is a textbook jackass, know-it -all, holier-than-thou liberal. I refuse to speak to him beyond simple pleasantries because he is incapable of rational discussion. You either nod you head in agreement with him or you are screamed at and called names, and I refuse to agree with his MSNBC regurgitations.

Good post.  On TV talk shows the liberal sides tries to scream loud enough to drown out the conservative.  Same with radio.
A liberal on a gun site doesn't make sense.  They vote for a known socialist murderer, who is trying to completely disarm the country, and then want to talk about guns.  I guess I just don't understand liberals.  As Spirithawk might say, they speak with forked tongues.

[SHOOTALL]

liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .

[lakota]

I wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they would just quit trying to infringe upon my rights and quit telling me what to think and what to believe. My father in law is a prime example. You are not entitled to think for yourself or choose your own beliefs. You may only think what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to think and believe what CNN and MSNBC tell you what to believe. If you dare to disagree you will be shouted down and called vile names. Oh and according to him people like George Zimmerman are not entitled to a fair trial because people like Jesse and AL and  Black Panters all say he is guilty therefore he should be executed immediately without due process, and I and people like me should go to jail because we own guns, even though he has a bag full of handguns that he needs for self defense. He is a textbook jackass, know-it -all, holier-than-thou liberal. I refuse to speak to him beyond simple pleasantries because he is incapable of rational discussion. You either nod you head in agreement with him or you are screamed at and called names, and I refuse to agree with his MSNBC regurgitations.

Agree, but there are conservatives that do the same. You need only to look at past posts here and watch certain conservative talk shows to get the same reaction. It's time we agree that it's common on both sides.

Your reasoning is almost exactly why I consider myself Libertarian. I tend to mind my own business when it comes to the livestyles of others and I would prefer that they do the same when it comes to my lifestyle.

[magooch]

I'm left sitting here wondering which liberal tenets have any undeniable redeeming virtues.  In other words, what is it about liberalism that you find appealing--if you're really a liberal?

[KIMBER45]

liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .

Yes , we can. But we can make consolations. Example _ I see no reason why everyone getting a gun can not have a background check done. I do not see that as a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Now if you want to come and take the guns I used to have until, a certain poster here came and stole them . Yes, I have a major problem with that.

[BUGEYE]

liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .

Even George Washington said we need to be armed to fight our own government if it became like it is now.       All of the founders were pretty plain about the purpose of the 2nd amendment, and it wasn't about deer hunting.
Liberals need to read the federalist papers.

[KIMBER45]

Now this discussion is going on very nicely. There are difference of opinions, but everyone is civil.    I just wonder how long it will continue?

[Swift One]

A conservative president would not be taking us down the road to socialism.
The liberal president stated that the constitution was a flawed document. So he has taken over the country via executive orders and ignoring the constitution.
After he appoints probably, two more SCOTUS judges, you will not have any rights that the supremes disapprove of.  Plus, liberal judges are notorious for legislating from the bench.


To the conservatives here, I hate that this is going to happen to you.
To the liberals, y'all are getting what you deserve. Servitude under Obama.

 
 
 

A conservative president would not be taking us down the road to socialism

What do you thinik the Patriot Act did to us?  What political part was in office when that whole invasion of rights took place?
 
I am not a supporter of Obama.  Nor am I a supporter of what the republican party has become.  Both sides have become professionals at name calling and finger pointing without even the slight ability to try and fix for what the common good would be.  Agenda driven- both sides. 

[Swift One]

I have a very hard time believing  if the other guy was the pres, he wouldn't be trying to do something similar.

[BUGEYE]

liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .

Yes , we can. But we can make consolations. Example _ I see no reason why everyone getting a gun can not have a background check done. I do not see that as a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Now if you want to come and take the guns I used to have until, a certain poster here came and stole them . Yes, I have a major problem with that.

YOUR president even wants private transactions checked.  If I sell my brother a gun, he would have to prove to me that he can legally own one.  How would he do that?  YOUR president is doing everything in his power to bypass the constitution and rob us of our freedoms.
In his first term he dumped Obama care on us and now he's disarming us.
Can you say a cross between Stalin and Hitler would=Obama.

[SHOOTALL]

there is an entire Bill of Rights and consitution so the background check may not be under the 2nd amnd. Then there is over 200 years of tradition on how things work. The problem with the paper work and the check is it is a list of who owns a gun. It can become a list of who to go get guns from which is exactly what has happened in all other countries that made list for one reason or another which is part of the big picture , you make my case. Now do you believe for one min that a back ground check keeps criminals from getting guns ? Va had its own back ground check before it became national. I have seen several people taken into codusity while buying a gun. I was denied once ( a bad guy in OK used my SS number in a crime) . In every case including mine the system failed. One case a guy I know was approved to buy the gun but a couple years later the ATF came and got the gun because of something he did as a youth. He was not charged though. Now I would guess some dumb crook may have gotten caught being stupid but the smart ones read these list and steal them from honest citizens or from the military or police .

[KIMBER45]

liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .

Yes , we can. But we can make consolations. Example _ I see no reason why everyone getting a gun can not have a background check done. I do not see that as a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Now if you want to come and take the guns I used to have until, a certain poster here came and stole them . Yes, I have a major problem with that.

YOUR president even wants private transactions checked.  If I sell my brother a gun, he would have to prove to me that he can legally own one.  How would he do that?  YOUR president is doing everything in his power to bypass the constitution and rob us of our freedoms.
In his first term he dumped Obama care on us and now he's disarming us.
Can you say a cross between Stalin and Hitler would=Obama.

I have no problem with that. Your brother may be a certified nut case , or felon who can't get a gun by any other means . { hypothetical - no insult intended.} We often blame parents for not keeping guns away from children, yet I can sell a gun to a nut case or felon with out having a background check. I again see no problem with EVERYONE needing a background check.