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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 10:59:17 AM »
Folks, we are starting to get a bit off track here. Kimber, how did you get started here?
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 11:07:04 AM »
Folks, we are starting to get a bit off track here. Kimber, how did you get started here?
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I purchased a NEF years ago and googled NEF to get some info. I spent most of my time looking at the H&R rifle forum. I made the mistake of looking at the other forems and found this one. The H&R foroum has been a wealth of info for me. I now have several and the info there in invaluable. Also a very great bunch of guys there.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2013, 11:25:03 AM »
I have an elderly friend who was sitting at a table at a gun show selling his collection of antigue guns.  What's the term for such stuff?  You can get a license to sell older collectibles without actually having an FFL.  Anyway, a "customer" came by the table and was interested in a modern .45acp displayed by an FFL holder at the adjacent table.  That dealer handed the gun to my friend so he could pass it to the customer, who turned out to be an ATF agent.  My friend was charged and convicted of a felony, even though the gun was not his and he had no financial interest in the sale.  That was back when ATF patrolled the gun shows, a Clinton thing.  (He was later able to obtain a presidential pardon.) 
I think we're going back to those days.

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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 11:39:15 AM »
I have an elderly friend who was sitting at a table at a gun show selling his collection of antigue guns.  What's the term for such stuff?  You can get a license to sell older collectibles without actually having an FFL.  Anyway, a "customer" came by the table and was interested in a modern .45acp displayed by an FFL holder at the adjacent table.  That dealer handed the gun to my friend so he could pass it to the customer, who turned out to be an ATF agent.  My friend was charged and convicted of a felony, even though the gun was not his and he had no financial interest in the sale.  That was back when ATF patrolled the gun shows, a Clinton thing.  (He was later able to obtain a presidential pardon.) 
I think we're going back to those days.
And that's why liberals use this site.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 12:21:52 PM »
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Seriously - 95% of the members are great guys. They can debate and at least listen to another side of the arguement. Often valid points are made by both sides and I enjoy listening to someones elses opinion. It's educational  and at times changes my perspective. . THAN THERE'S THE OTHER 5%. ::)

 
 
 
Might depend on which side of the table you're on as to who that 5% is.   ::)
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 12:23:27 PM »
liberals can't see the whole picture . They can't see how 2nd amnd. has anything to do with their freedom .
Yes , we can. But we can make consolations. Example _ I see no reason why everyone getting a gun can not have a background check done. I do not see that as a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Now if you want to come and take the guns I used to have until, a certain poster here came and stole them . Yes, I have a major problem with that.
YOUR president even wants private transactions checked.  If I sell my brother a gun, he would have to prove to me that he can legally own one.  How would he do that?  YOUR president is doing everything in his power to bypass the constitution and rob us of our freedoms.
In his first term he dumped Obama care on us and now he's disarming us.
Can you say a cross between Stalin and Hitler would=Obama.
I have no problem with that. Your brother may be a certified nut case , or felon who can't get a gun by any other means . { hypothetical - no insult intended.} We often blame parents for not keeping guns away from children, yet I can sell a gun to a nut case or felon with out having a background check. I again see no problem with EVERYONE needing a background check.
Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.  England, Australia, Russia, China, Germany, Cuba, Venezuela, Japan.  do you really want to live in a country like that??  gun control took place in those countries just like obama is starting here.  there are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 12:29:29 PM »
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I have no problem with that. Your brother may be a certified nut case , or felon who can't get a gun by any other means . { hypothetical - no insult intended.} We often blame parents for not keeping guns away from children, yet I can sell a gun to a nut case or felon with out having a background check. I again see no problem with EVERYONE needing a background check.
          And since there is no mechanism in place for an individual seller to run a background check on another individual, you have no problem with the banning of any personal sales or transfers unless they are done through an FFL.  Is that what you're saying?  Just remember that when you want to make a gift to your child, relative, etc., or you want to leave a firearm to same by will.
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 12:55:04 PM »
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I have no problem with that. Your brother may be a certified nut case , or felon who can't get a gun by any other means . { hypothetical - no insult intended.} We often blame parents for not keeping guns away from children, yet I can sell a gun to a nut case or felon with out having a background check. I again see no problem with EVERYONE needing a background check.
          And since there is no mechanism in place for an individual seller to run a background check on another individual, you have no problem with the banning of any personal sales or transfers unless they are done through an FFL.  Is that what you're saying?  Just remember that when you want to make a gift to your child, relative, etc., or you want to leave a firearm to same by will.
If my entire gun collection hadn't fell overboard in that Ocmulgee river accident, I'd go ahead and give them all to my daughter.
liberals do not care that they put a financial burden on law abiding citizens.  the agenda is to make our life miserable enough that maybe we'll just turn over our guns to them.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 01:07:07 PM »
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Seriously - 95% of the members are great guys. They can debate and at least listen to another side of the arguement. Often valid points are made by both sides and I enjoy listening to someones elses opinion. It's educational  and at times changes my perspective. . THAN THERE'S THE OTHER 5%. ::)

 
 
 
Might depend on which side of the table you're on as to who that 5% is.   ::)
I agree. Everyone has their own opinion. But I think we know who keeps being warned about not following the rules by the moderators.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2013, 01:09:41 PM »
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I have no problem with that. Your brother may be a certified nut case , or felon who can't get a gun by any other means . { hypothetical - no insult intended.} We often blame parents for not keeping guns away from children, yet I can sell a gun to a nut case or felon with out having a background check. I again see no problem with EVERYONE needing a background check.
          And since there is no mechanism in place for an individual seller to run a background check on another individual, you have no problem with the banning of any personal sales or transfers unless they are done through an FFL.  Is that what you're saying?  Just remember that when you want to make a gift to your child, relative, etc., or you want to leave a firearm to same by will.
I'll discuss this if someone wants to start a topic about it. Let's try to respect Guzzi and stick to his orginal topic.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2013, 01:14:46 PM »
I  think  people  can  be  conservative  on  some  issues  and  liberal  on  others.  I  would  bet on  a  face  to  face  debate  all  could  find  some   subject  to  agree on.

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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2013, 01:18:21 PM »
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I'll discuss this if someone wants to start a topic about it. Let's try to respect Guzzi and stick to his orginal topic.

 
 
Ummm, didn't you bring up the subject?
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2013, 01:24:52 PM »
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I'll discuss this if someone wants to start a topic about it. Let's try to respect Guzzi and stick to his orginal topic.

 
 
Ummm, didn't you bring up the subject?
Yep and I realized I was off topic when Guzzi asked us to get back on track. So I'll stick to his orginal question.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2013, 01:33:31 PM »
I  think  people  can  be  conservative  on  some  issues  and  liberal  on  others.  I  would  bet on  a  face  to  face  debate  all  could  find  some   subject  to  agree on.
Nah, I had a member threaten me with death or great bodily harm if we met face to face. ;D
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2013, 01:37:52 PM »
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I'll discuss this if someone wants to start a topic about it. Let's try to respect Guzzi and stick to his orginal topic.

 
 
Ummm, didn't you bring up the subject?
Yep and I realized I was off topic when Guzzi asked us to get back on track. So I'll stick to his orginal question.
I figure that since the op used me to start the thread, I should be able to ramble around where I please. ;D
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2013, 05:59:41 PM »

A normal liberal does not want to erase the bible and all of it's advantages as a very good book on how to live life and treat others.  A normal conservative is not going to pretend or have dillusions that they are the right hand of god and walk around condemning people because they are not living EXACTLY and word for word the way it was written in a book.
 
Takes all types to make the world go around.
Unfortunatly the Democrat party that the liberal votes for is the ultra left wing.  They support the groups like PETA, like the Human society that have goals of no hunting, they support the ultra left wing green party people that are the anti building, mining, refining, transportation.  All of these support middle class UNION Jobs.  So you may think you are voting for a party/ candidate that supports the working class union type jobs but the party leadership is against it.  Inorder to accept most liberal ideas you can not have a moral society, stealing from others to support your self or others is not moral, not working but working the system is not moral, Not applying the laws equally is amoral and hypocritical but that is the modern Democrat party.
I also think you are not looking at the political map.
you have at each end anarchists.
Anarchists, libertarian, communist, socialist, Fascist, Capitalist, Conservitive,libertarian, anarchist.
I do not have blinders on, I am not a political party person, I look at history, I look at economic law and constitutional law and see how we are devolving back to a monarchy/ dictatorship.
I respect your views as long as you havve a sound reason and understand the consaquences behind your decision.
 

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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2013, 06:11:31 PM »

 
 
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A conservative president would not be taking us down the road to socialism

What do you thinik the Patriot Act did to us?  What political part was in office when that whole invasion of rights took place?
 
I am not a supporter of Obama.  Nor am I a supporter of what the republican party has become.  Both sides have become professionals at name calling and finger pointing without even the slight ability to try and fix for what the common good would be.  Agenda driven- both sides.
This president and the Demcorats while moaning and groaning that Bush was acting like a dictator and was going to infringe on all of our rights quickly refunded it and reenacted it as a new law.  So how is the patriot act a bad thing under one presidert but Ok and no longer a bad thing under another?  Either is it s bad law or it is not.  This is the hypocrtitical thing I dislike about the liberals.  You come here and talk guns but support the people who want to take them from you.  The same people that call you a clinger. 
What I have come to understand is all liberals are Bullies and children.  They have no problem making fun of you for your beliefs, for telling the truth, for not being cool, and spout off about having a right to speak.  But will shout you down, threaten you, call you a racists, homophobe, or Nazi if you do not agree with them.  there are no thought based discussions, only demands.
 

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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2013, 11:24:18 PM »
What we in the US call Liberalism today has nothing to do with its historical roots.


 "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"  is a very "liberal" thought, borrowed by our Founding Fathers from the writings of the "Father of Classical Liberalism," John Locke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

Some who call themselves Liberals in the US today cling to the above, claiming that their philosophy stems from the Founding Fathers' views. Nothing could be further from the truth of course; Liberalism has long since been hijacked, distorted and redefined to indicate nearly the polar opposite of what it meant to the writers of the Declaration of Independence.

Anyway, if one happens to be a true Liberal, I can see why he/she would frequent GBO. The usual Socialist who masquerades as a Liberal? Not so much...
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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2013, 11:28:41 PM »
Fplk, I am far from a conspiracy nut case, but Kimber asked a question that deserves some discussion.
He asked, is this why liberals use this site.
Folks seek out information to use as defense or offense of their cause or thought.
I suspect that this site has been brought to the attention of BB. Now, i don't really care and I say what it is I think needs to be said-----buttttt-----c'mon Kimber.
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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2013, 01:05:22 AM »
I have an elderly friend who was sitting at a table at a gun show selling his collection of antigue guns.  What's the term for such stuff?  You can get a license to sell older collectibles without actually having an FFL.  Anyway, a "customer" came by the table and was interested in a modern .45acp displayed by an FFL holder at the adjacent table.  That dealer handed the gun to my friend so he could pass it to the customer, who turned out to be an ATF agent.  My friend was charged and convicted of a felony, even though the gun was not his and he had no financial interest in the sale.  That was back when ATF patrolled the gun shows, a Clinton thing.  (He was later able to obtain a presidential pardon.) 
I think we're going back to those days.

and what was he charged with ? as anyone who can own a gun can sell a private collection with out lic. in Va. ( at least now) .
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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2013, 01:11:54 AM »
I like this site. For almost any question you can have about guns, shooting, or outdoors in general, this is where you get the answers. Mostly I READ this site for information. As far as the politics, my views just do not jive with most people on the site. That does not distress me, though it seems to be a hard thing for some to get their head around. I just think the biggest threat to our country is corporate greed, rather than a stronger government. Most of the criticisms I hear about the inefficiencies in government could be remedied by making it a little stronger. I do have a problem with Obama--- he's not liberal enough nor is he strong enough for me. He IS pretty sharp about manipulating his opponents into positions where they'll take the flack when things go wrong, though--- not from the hard core rightys, but from the general population.

I support this SOCIETY. Not the far right, not the far left, the whole thing. If that makes y'all call me a "socialist" then I'm proud of it. I do own some two dozen guns; I like to shoot. For me, that's not a conflict. I also know that there are people who should not be allowed near a gun. It would be very simple to require all guns sold to be equipped with programable palm print readers, or have an electronic key activator, so they simply will not work except for the owner. I'm surprised that the industry has not applied some sort of technology to firearms yet. Until that day comes, we will continue to have incidents like the school shooting or the theatre shooting. And, like it or not, gunowners should be demanding such technology, because, not doing so pretty well ensures that eventually they will lose at least some of those gun rights. Unless WE fix it, THEY will fix it, and WE won't like THEIR fix.
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« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2013, 01:31:30 AM »
I like this site. For almost any question you can have about guns, shooting, or outdoors in general, this is where you get the answers. Mostly I READ this site for information. As far as the politics, my views just do not jive with most people on the site. trueThat does not distress me,me either though it seems to be a hard thing for some to get their head around.not really , most I guess just want to post the opposite view so the uneducated won't read your view and think it main stream I just think the biggest threat to our country is corporate greed, rather than a stronger government.I don't agree , our fore fathers knew better and tried to protect us from such. I believe they are correct in feeling we need protecting the people from govt. because one need only look at history to see the abuse that big and strong govt. has waged on its onw people. Most of the criticisms I hear about the inefficiencies in government could be remedied by making it a little stronger.I really doubt that but even trying would be at a price to high to pay I do have a problem with Obama---don't feel like the lone ranger  ;) he's not liberal enough nor is he strong enough for me.Would the Devel work ? He IS pretty sharp about manipulating his opponents into positions where they'll take the flack when things go wrong, though--- not from the hard core rightys, but from the general population. Yes that is true to a point but he has help with the news media and other communist . BTW that was reason for my 3rd point.

I support this SOCIETY. Not the far right, not the far left, the whole thing. If that makes y'all call me a "socialist" then I'm proud of it. I do own some two dozen guns; I like to shoot. For me, that's not a conflict.wasn't for many soicalist was for their targets though I also know that there are people who should not be allowed near a gun. It would be very simple to require all guns sold to be equipped with programable palm print readers, or have an electronic key activator, so they simply will not work except for the owner.That would be about the dumb azz thing you could do if you want less guns on the street. Then every one would need a gun instead of a family having say a family uzi now they each will need one I'm surprised that the industry has not applied some sort of technology to firearms yet.Because smart consumers don't want it Until that day comes, we will continue to have incidents like the school shooting or the theatre shooting.You will still have them do you not think as soon as it comes out some one won't figure out how to by pass it ? And, like it or not, gunowners should be demanding such technology, because, not doing so pretty well ensures that eventually they will lose at least some of those gun rights. BS Unless WE fix it, THEY will fix it, and WE won't like THEIR fix.Their fix seems like your fix , you must be one of them ?
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« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2013, 01:38:34 AM »
I like this site. For almost any question you can have about guns, shooting, or outdoors in general, this is where you get the answers. Mostly I READ this site for information. As far as the politics, my views just do not jive with most people on the site. trueThat does not distress me,me either though it seems to be a hard thing for some to get their head around.not really , most I guess just want to post the opposite view so the uneducated won't read your view and think it main stream I just think the biggest threat to our country is corporate greed, rather than a stronger government.I don't agree , our fore fathers knew better and tried to protect us from such. I believe they are correct in feeling we need protecting the people from govt. because one need only look at history to see the abuse that big and strong govt. has waged on its onw people. Most of the criticisms I hear about the inefficiencies in government could be remedied by making it a little stronger.I really doubt that but even trying would be at a price to high to pay I do have a problem with Obama---don't feel like the lone ranger  ;) he's not liberal enough nor is he strong enough for me.Would the Devel work ? He IS pretty sharp about manipulating his opponents into positions where they'll take the flack when things go wrong, though--- not from the hard core rightys, but from the general population. Yes that is true to a point but he has help with the news media and other communist . BTW that was reason for my 3rd point.

I support this SOCIETY. Not the far right, not the far left, the whole thing. If that makes y'all call me a "socialist" then I'm proud of it. I do own some two dozen guns; I like to shoot. For me, that's not a conflict.wasn't for many soicalist was for their targets though I also know that there are people who should not be allowed near a gun. It would be very simple to require all guns sold to be equipped with programable palm print readers, or have an electronic key activator, so they simply will not work except for the owner.That would be about the dumb azz thing you could do if you want less guns on the street. Then every one would need a gun instead of a family having say a family uzi now they each will need one I'm surprised that the industry has not applied some sort of technology to firearms yet.Because smart consumers don't want it Until that day comes, we will continue to have incidents like the school shooting or the theatre shooting.You will still have them do you not think as soon as it comes out some one won't figure out how to by pass it ? And, like it or not, gunowners should be demanding such technology, because, not doing so pretty well ensures that eventually they will lose at least some of those gun rights. BS Unless WE fix it, THEY will fix it, and WE won't like THEIR fix.Their fix seems like your fix , you must be one of them ?
Shootall, very good response to a socialist.
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« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2013, 01:45:47 AM »
Feel better, now?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2013, 02:40:21 AM »
Feel better, now?

I always feel good ! Could you wrap your head around it ? Funny thing is I believe in your right to feel as you do no matter how wrong it may be.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2013, 02:44:00 AM »
And yet you spend so much time and effort picking apart posts you disagree with...   ;D ;D ;D
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2013, 02:49:42 AM »
And yet you spend so much time and effort picking apart posts you disagree with...

So from that I must ask if you an admitted liberal post on a what appears right of center  site do you expect to be applauded  form like minded folks or engaged in debate ?
 I will give it to you you follow the liberal line - can't defend the ideas so attack the opposition .
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2013, 02:55:50 AM »
I did not think the topic was for a debate to defend my views. I was simply answering the question from the OP. The debate belongs in another thread, don't you think?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2013, 02:56:23 AM »
And yet you spend so much time and effort picking apart posts you disagree with...   ;D ;D ;D
you have the RIGHT to post, and he has the RIGHT to pick it apart.
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Re: Why liberals use this site
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2013, 03:16:17 AM »
And I have the right to once again request that everyone please make an effort to stay on the OP topic. Thank you.
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