Warren outdoors one hole sight

[bucco921]

I don't know if anybody else is using use, but if you have a handi and like the "peep" sight setup these are worth looking into. I just put the warren outdoors aperture on my new tracker II. Just remove the blade from the factory sight and put this one in. I bought it for my ruger black hawk. It comes with 2 sized apertures so I put one on the tracker and one on the ruger

[LaDano]

Have you shot it yet?

[bucco921]

Just put the sight on 15 mins before my post. Wanna touch up the front sight with some bright paint first

[LaDano]

How well is it made? I'm looking at the skinner sight right now for my 45-70. Where and how much was it? I know, I'm pretty nosey. Hehe

Thanx

[wolverine_1]

Problem I had when looking at them on the website was telling what they looked like and how they "attached."  Would be glad to see a really good close up picture so I can see how they work.  Thanks, gene

[bucco921]

Warren outdoors website. It is just a replacement blade for the stock buckhorn blade.

[bucco921]

It's a good alternative if your gun isn't drilled and tapped for the Williams or skinner peep sights and you shouldn't have to worry about messing with the height of your front sight.

[bilmac]

I've never tried a peep in the middle of the rifle, but years ago when people were still interested in reciever sights they were pretty much discounted as worthless.  I can't remember the arguments, but a couple of things come to mind. A reciever in the rear is very fast, second only to a low power scope. Put the peep in the middle of the barrel and I think that advantage would be lost. Also a hole close to your eye sharpens the image. I don't think that works when the hole is a foot or more away.

[quickdtoo]

The Warren sight insert will only work with old style single mounting hole H&R rear sights, AFAIK they haven't used that style sight for many years, they use the Williams WGOS rear sight on modern rifles.

Tim

http://www.warrencustomoutdoor.com/ohs-handi-rifle.html

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

I  put a WGRS aperture fixture onto the base on my 45/70 in the middle of the barrel.

works fine as long as I don't use the screw in aperture.

if I were doing anther, I'd just buy the "Ghost Ring" adapter for the WGRS base and mount that.

it is different but faster than open sights.

[gcrank1]

An ap. farther up can be way better than worthless. Ive got an original '98 Krag rifle with one on the slider of the flip up sight ladder and it makes for a mean shooter. For general field use I think that not having too thick a ring (annulus) and a large enough hole and shooting with both eyes open makes for quick and accurate shooting. That 'ghost ring' effect doesnt have to be close to the eye, its the brain we are really working with.

[jeepmann1948]

An ap. farther up can be way better than worthless. Ive got an original '98 Krag rifle with one on the slider of the flip up sight ladder and it makes for a mean shooter. For general field use I think that not having too thick a ring (annulus) and a large enough hole and shooting with both eyes open makes for quick and accurate shooting. That 'ghost ring' effect doesnt have to be close to the eye, its the brain we are really working with.

Well I may as well give up on them if my brain has to work!

[Ranch13]

I have not used this particular sight, but I do use the older One Ragged Hole sight for the Ruger, and the Winchester, and really like the way it works on both handgun and the rifle.

[cudatruck]

I bought the "ghost ring" sight for the williams to mount on my .45-70. have not put it on to try yet. hopefully will get to try it out this monday. I intend to use this rifle to harvest, not hunt, a buffalo or asian water buffalo. shot will most likely be less than 150. intend to use 405 grain bullet. what distance do you guys think for a zero? I am hoping to be able to shoot this with the ghost ring both eyes open and be accurate enough to make the shot.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

I bought the "ghost ring" sight for the williams to mount on my .45-70. have not put it on to try yet. hopefully will get to try it out this monday. I intend to use this rifle to harvest, not hunt, a buffalo or asian water buffalo. shot will most likely be less than 150. intend to use 405 grain bullet. what distance do you guys think for a zero? I am hoping to be able to shoot this with the ghost ring both eyes open and be accurate enough to make the shot.

the Ghost ring effect I get from removing the screwed in aperture is quite impressive.  There appears to be a ring inside a ring, then the front sight.
And the depth of field is still pretty good.   
let's face it, for a true infinity depth of field, you need a pretty small hole... ghost rings just don't do that for me.

[gcrank1]

One of the things Ive learned from target shooting with peeps is that a lot of people try to use too small an aperture for the light conditions and often score better one size bigger than they think to use. The smaller hole may seem to give you a crisper picture but the proof is on the paper. It does take some use of peeps to get it to be 'natural' for the eye/brain to 'automatically center the front' and you must use the lead eye on the peep. If your eyes tend to trade lead its gonna cause you some fits shooting with both eyes open (my preference, you dont 'block off target' that way).
Of course, if your scores are better that proves it works for you, just suggesting to not get too hung up on how small an aperture you shoot with.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

my problem with aperture size is when it is far way, it "Seems" to block off too much sight picture, whereas the "Ghost Ring" lets you look around it, BUT there appears a bright spot in the middle with the target lit up...

I dunno why, perhaps my cadillacs are causing the issue.

i did get a merit adjustible to use for sight in and such.

I'm going to have to pay attention to the size vs group

[reloaderman]

Looks like a nice solution ! I've used a Marbles Bullseye on my carbine and it works just like a peep !

[Yak Angler]

I was out at the range earlier today with my .223 superlight compact, I shot it last week with the factory h&r sights and had decent groups at 100 yards. Today I swaped the factory u-notch rear sight insert for the williams ghost ring insert with the two fibre optic type glow dots at 3 & 9 o'clock on the ring. Using the factory front blade sight with the williams ghost ring insert I was able to hold this 3 shot group at 100 yards. The first shot i took was the one centre high, after I made my final elevation adjustment to the rear sight i shot the final 3 shot group which is a bit over 2". This set-up would be nearly identical to the idea of this warren sight and given the accuracy and nice field of view I know i will never put a scope on this rifle as all my shots will be inside 200 yards and most will be inside 50 yards.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

.... Today I swaped the factory u-notch rear sight insert for the williams ghost ring insert with the two fibre optic type glow dots at 3 & 9 o'clock on the ring. ....

Yak, got a couple pics to show the setup?

[Yak Angler]

.... Today I swaped the factory u-notch rear sight insert for the williams ghost ring insert with the two fibre optic type glow dots at 3 & 9 o'clock on the ring. ....

Yak, got a couple pics to show the setup?

Sure do I have attached a picture of the mid barrel williams ghost ring sight, the factory front blade and a shot showing them both, sorry for any blurryness the camera battery was about to die when i was taking them.
 
 

[gcrank1]

With a green dot on the tip of that front you'd about have it made.

[Yak Angler]

Well i do have a streamline front ramp with red firesight insert that i am going to try and mount in place of the factory front sight, but have to find a #3-48 machine screw thats about twice as long as the factory one, they are available online but not at my local hardware store, going to try a local hobby shop next before i order online.  don't know why h&r thought it was a good idea to use a different thread size for the front sight compared to the scope base and rear sight holes which are all the same

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

.... Today I swaped the factory u-notch rear sight insert for the williams ghost ring insert with the two fibre optic type glow dots at 3 & 9 o'clock on the ring. ....

Yak, got a couple pics to show the setup?

Sure do I have attached a picture of the mid barrel williams ghost ring sight, the factory front blade and a shot showing them both, sorry for any blurryness the camera battery was about to die when i was taking them.

I really like that

I need to find some way to get those sent up here...

[Yak Angler]

Not sure where your from but i live in Canada and ordered them through a gunsmithing parts supplier from Alberta, called western gun parts. They have a website if i remember correctly but I think i had to call them to place the order but that was a few years ago. I know they are still in business.
 
Any gun store that carries williams brand products can likely order them for you
 
I think i was looking at either brownells or midway and one of their sites said something about orders under $ 100 on certain gun parts they would ship to canada aswell, could be wrong on that though.

[quickdtoo]

http://www.westerngunparts.com/