Niece's perspective

[Shu]

My niece is 24 she has an 8 year old daughter, never finished high school trades one minimum wage job for another. Married twice and divorced twice. I don't try to keep up with her boyfriends name I just number them. So far we are at 13. Her little daughter calls each one of them daddy even though the real one is in jail for stealing lottery tickets. Anyway enough back ground.
My niece voted for Obama, her reasoning is- if Romney was elected she would lose some of her welfare or child care and that would diminish her social life. She is glad the government is finally doing something about guns becuase everyone knows a gun is just waiting to kill someone. She is glad the rich are going to pay more taxes becuase they don't deserve to have more money than anyone else.
 
I don't try to reason with her it is pointless. This is the type of mentality we are facing in the youth of today. I think of the future and just shudder.

[guzzijohn]

It is he kind of mentality we see in SOME youth and old folk for that matter. There are a many of hard working goal oriented youth out there. Just a friendly reminder.
GuzziJohn

[Shu]

Yep 49% are hard working with some sort of goals. It is the 51% that scare me.
Not all is bad though the 51% seem to do themselves in.

[BUGEYE]

Shu, it's not our good old 50s and 60s any more.  today youth in too many cases don't have good guidance.  in a lot of cases like this, there is nothing we can do except pray for them. I'll shoot one her way tonight.

[Conan The Librarian]

Young people who despair, fail to excel, work low wage jobs, skip education. It all translates to less competition for my kids, and that's a good thing!

[Old Fart]

I'm afraid some of them are suffering from despair. I always worked toward something. I think they can't see a possibilty of anything and may have giving up. Throw on top of that there's a free ride out there. I wasn't raised that way and I don't agree with, but I can kind of see thier view. It's taken three years and a couple real crappy jobs, but my daughter has finally found a company that is rewarding her for her work and her degree. I still don't think she's figured out what & where she want to be, but at least she's making a decent living now.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from BUGEYE:
"Shu, it's not our good old 50s and 60s any more."


BUGEYE, are you trying to say there were no youth in he 50s or 60s that were dropouts, bums or criminals? It may seem like there were a bit less maybe because it was much easier to get a factory, construction or farm job without a high school diploma back then.
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

sad story but alot of people feel like her . as long as the republicans don't consider them they will not win . There are way to many like her today. Preaching hell fire and brimstone and ultra right wing ideas will not make her feel comfortable enough to vote consertive .

[BUGEYE]

Quote from BUGEYE:
"Shu, it's not our good old 50s and 60s any more."


BUGEYE, are you trying to say there were no youth in he 50s or 60s that were dropouts, bums or criminals? It may seem like there were a bit less maybe because it was much easier to get a factory, construction or farm job without a high school diploma back then.
GuzziJohn

I'm saying that there was not a liberal behind every tree like today.  the more liberal politicians became, the more that the young learned to depend on someone else for their livelyhood.
I worked hard from my teens because my parents didn't hand me everything, and that work ethic carried right on through all my working life.  I now have a home and two vehicles paid for, a large and growing stack of precious metals (mostly silver) so when the liberals drive the dollar value to nothing, I can still buy necessities, I don't have many guns like some but I have plenty of ammo.
without liberals, we would still have jobs for people that want them, and wouldn't be worrying about whats going to happen to the constitution with a president who says it's a flawed document.
I guess he's smarter than the founders..... NOT....

do you think it's a flawed document??

[SHOOTALL]

in the 50's and 60's there was less communication for people to learn what was going on . The Viet Nan was in our living room every night , Watergate , and it has be one scandle after another ever since. We don't get news we get spin.

[Brett]

Quote from BUGEYE:
"Shu, it's not our good old 50s and 60s any more."


BUGEYE, are you trying to say there were no youth in he 50s or 60s that were dropouts, bums or criminals? It may seem like there were a bit less maybe because it was much easier to get a factory, construction or farm job without a high school diploma back then.
GuzziJohn

I'm saying that there was not a liberal behind every tree like today.  the more liberal politicians became, the more that the young learned to depend on someone else for their livelyhood.
I worked hard from my teens because my parents didn't hand me everything, and that work ethic carried right on through all my working life.  I now have a home and two vehicles paid for, a large and growing stack of precious metals (mostly silver) so when the liberals drive the dollar value to nothing, I can still buy necessities, I don't have many guns like some but I have plenty of ammo.
without liberals, we would still have jobs for people that want them, and wouldn't be worrying about whats going to happen to the constitution with a president who says it's a flawed document.
I guess he's smarter than the founders..... NOT....

do you think it's a flawed document? ?

Good post.  As a parent it's not easy to instill a good work ethic any more when the government and many of their peers are promoting the dependency program.   

[jimster]

It is he kind of mentality we see in SOME youth and old folk for that matter. There are a many of hard working goal oriented youth out there. Just a friendly reminder.GuzziJohn

This is true. But the 8 year old daughter of Shu's niece won't likely be one of the hard working goal oriented youth you speak of. This is because she has nothing to follow and learn from except her mother. I can tell you this because I have the same kind of niece in our family. Same deal, only she has a son, he will be raised with this same home education. I paid for his birth, his food, her rent, her booze and pot, and am still paying. She also voted for Obama and votes for any Dems, nobody else fills the "special needs" she has. Her son is raised mostly by his grandmother, his mom is too busy partying.
Both children we speak of would have had a much better chance in my home being raised with our three, but they they would have had to start at our house as babies, discipline started at a very young age at our house.
Anyway, my point is, hard working goal oriented youth do not get that way by themselves very often. They learn it from someone else.
 

[BUGEYE]

Good post.  As a parent it's not easy to instill a good work ethic any more when the government and many of their peers are promoting the dependency program.

I have a daughter about to turn 23 and I instilled in her a love for her Walther P-22. she loves to shoot and likes that she's not defenseless when home alone. (she works from home) however, we disagree about drugs, and has let her boyfriend influence her about God.  I'd put the fear of God in him if I knew it wouldn't jeopardize our relationship.
so I guess sometimes all we can do is pray for them.

[Brett]

Keep praying Bugeye, hopefully someday she will see the light.   I pray for my daughter constantly.  She is only 13 and so far seems to have a good head on her shoulders. 

[Ranger99]

dang.
it's really sad to see all the other folks with
relations with the 21st century entitlement
mindset. i guess we all have one or more.
what are they all gonna do when the
spigot runs dry?
having more welfare babies won't help then.


sad deal.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from jimster:
"This is true. But the 8 year old daughter of Shu's niece won't likely be one of the hard working goal oriented youth you speak of. This is because she has nothing to follow and learn from except her mother. I can tell you this because I have the same kind of niece in our family. Same deal, only she has a son, he will be raised with this same home education. I paid for his birth, his food, her rent, her booze and pot, and am still paying. She also voted for Obama and votes for any Dems, nobody else fills the "special needs" she has. Her son is raised mostly by his grandmother, his mom is too busy partying. Both children we speak of would have had a much better chance in my home being raised with our three, but they they would have had to start at our house as babies, discipline started at a very young age at our house.
Anyway, my point is, hard working goal oriented youth do not get that way by themselves very often. They learn it from someone else. "


Pretty much agree.
GuzziJohn

[BUGEYE]

dang.
it's really sad to see all the other folks with
relations with the 21st century entitlement
mindset. i guess we all have one or more.
what are they all gonna do when the
spigot runs dry?
having more welfare babies won't help then.


sad deal.

as mine and the next generation dies out, workers will be much fewer.  that spigot will sure be dry then.

[Casull]

BUGEYE, are you trying to say there were no youth in he 50s or 60s that were dropouts, bums or criminals? It may seem like there were a bit less maybe because it was much easier to get a factory, construction or farm job without a high school diploma back then.

 
 
Guzzijohn, are you trying to say that being a dropout equals being a bum or a criminal?  While I think that everyone should strive to get a high school diploma (but not a college degree - some just are not cut out for college), it is the work ethic that seems to have changed.  And, it would appear that the change in the work ethic began with Johnson and the growth of the welfare state and liberal politics.  In the 50's and 60's, people still seemed to have a sense of shame, whereas so many today do not.  But, 50 years of having liberal politicians telling them that not making anything of themselves was not their fault, but rather an accident of birth seems to have taken its toll.  Tie that to greater benefits and greater ease in obtaining same and we have what we see today.  Sad, very sad for what was once such a great country of great people.

[ironglow]

Good post.  As a parent it's not easy to instill a good work ethic any more when the government and many of their peers are promoting the dependency program.

I have a daughter about to turn 23 and I instilled in her a love for her Walther P-22. she loves to shoot and likes that she's not defenseless when home alone. (she works from home) however, we disagree about drugs, and has let her boyfriend influence her about God.  I'd put the fear of God in him if I knew it wouldn't jeopardize our relationship.
so I guess sometimes all we can do is pray for them.

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  Bugeye;
      Keep praying and remember Prov 22:6    They may wobble and wander for a bit..but eventually they will return to the only true wisdom..
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  Guzzi;. 
   Yes there were dropouts in in the 50's & 60's, but not near so many (1950s) and not normally enslaved by cocaine, marijuana, crack ,LSD and heroine ..so when they finally woke up and wanted a steady job, they could handle it. The deterioration of our culture started with the sex, drugs..rock & roll era..began slowly in the early 60s and wentv downhill from there.
      Politicians today seem to be a wussy bunch...thinking most of us would rather work in a cubicle for life, doing accounting or pecking at a computer.  Many of them raised in effeminate environment and attending an effeminate public school... they seem to have no real concept as to what a real man's work is, and few of them even served in military combat arms..  It is apparently for that reason they have shipped the heavy industry and manufacturing jobs overseas to their foreign buddies (whoever paid them enough  of a bribe).
    Often times the real quality of people comes through when one can observe, how the grouinds look after a mass meeting or demonstration...very revealing..    See below, photo of grounds after Tea Party and after Obama's inmauguration.
         Which type would you have for a neighbor?

[BUGEYE]

Good post.  As a parent it's not easy to instill a good work ethic any more when the government and many of their peers are promoting the dependency program.

I have a daughter about to turn 23 and I instilled in her a love for her Walther P-22. she loves to shoot and likes that she's not defenseless when home alone. (she works from home) however, we disagree about drugs, and has let her boyfriend influence her about God.  I'd put the fear of God in him if I knew it wouldn't jeopardize our relationship.
so I guess sometimes all we can do is pray for them.

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  Bugeye;
      Keep praying and remember Prov 22:6

I just went and read that, and there is some hope.  she doesn't fight with her momma like she used to, but it's her relationship with God that really worries me.  that Bible verse does kinda pump you up a little so I'll keep praying and it just might come true.  thanks.