GET THE 223!!!!!!! i tried a hornet, and i dont reload, and i was getting 4 inch groups at 100 yrds. now maybe i just got a bad one, but i can tell you the 223 ammo is cheap, and people seem to love them ion the handi. i loved the remington model 7 i had in 223, and it was not painful to spend a day at th range with it. tons of cheaper ammo that shoots great.