Question for Bill of Rights experts

[ChungDoQuan]

Somebody please explain the 3rd Amendment, it's relevance to life today, and why it should stand, other than tradition--- then show how its different from the 2nd Amendment.

[SHOOTALL]

It has nothing to do with the 2nd. What it does is keep the military from requireing citizens to house soilders. Except in time of war. The last time I can remember people housing soilders was WW2. The military grew to way past its ablity to house soilders and many people housed base personal in their homes. I know of several families who did so. It was homes near Fort Picket , mostly officers and soilders who were perment on the base . One was a Captin who was incharge of checking in small arme and a Leuitenant who supervised the process of sighting in all carbines and repair. There were others.
 As for today , in time of war it may become nessary once more. With the prospect of a dirty bomb it may be some bases are unuseable or parts of the country effected do not have enough housing .

[Conan The Librarian]

CDQ, it's about the abuses of the British, who treated people's homes as fair game for lodging soldiers. This caused hardships that the founders objected to. It's relevant today because tyrants and despots use people's homes int he same way. Cuba is one current example, as are many of the African countries. Germany. Russia. Japan. Mexico. Bolivia. Argentina. They all did it. The expectation was not just lodging, but food.


The founders used history as a reference, and knew it was not just the contemporary British who were to be feared, but that there was much historical precedent.


The 2nd amendment is based on the same mindset, explicitly forbidding behavior by the government that history had shown to be real dangers.

[BUGEYE]

Somebody please explain the 3rd Amendment, it's relevance to life today, and why it should stand, other than tradition--- then show how its different from the 2nd Amendment.

Well supposedly when obamas brownshirt army comes to take our guns we wouldn't have to feed and house them.  but since he's violating the 2nd, he'll also violate the 3rd.
as soon as he appoints another SCOTUS judge is when it'll take place.

[spruce]

It's relavance to life today???  How would being forced to give quarter any different now than it was in colonial times (or before)?
 
Both the 2nd and 3rd Amendments were written to protect the People from the Government.  The 2nd Amendment provides the means by which citizens can insure the 3rd Amendment is not violated by the Government.
 
The passage of time has no bearing on the validity of these, or any other, rights.  Do you also believe we should no longer be allowed freedom of speech?

[ChungDoQuan]

Has the applicability of the 3rd changed over time?

[Conan The Librarian]

CDQ, yes, its applicability has changed. As ou surely know, the constitution and bill of rights pose no barrier to the government today. The fourth amendment is a perfect example.

[ChungDoQuan]

Correct! Chiefly due to the Homeland Security Act, the REST of the Bill of Rights and most of the Constitution have been rendered useless--- now, exactly WHAT were y'all supposed to be defending with those guns?

In other words, if everything the rightys claim is happening is really happening, how come y'all ain't dead?

[SHOOTALL]

You need to remember any law passed is legal until tested and until the govt. causes  a citizen enough loss of freedom or property or wealth it will not be tested in court. In 1937 shotgun bbls were restricted to 18 inches or longer unless a tax stamp was approved and given. The only case to go to the supreame court never got there the guy accused left town and was never found . So since 1937 we all have been following an untested law. Of course no one wants to risk jail time to test the law . 
  So until a citizen is required to house troops during a time other than war there will be no case to validate the law that would oppose the 3 amnd.

[Guy Pike]

The truth gets deleted.

[nw_hunter]

The truth gets deleted.

Wrong!......Violating rules will get a post deleted!

[Guy Pike]

Nw hunter please message me the infraction so that I may avoid committing another in the future.

[LONGTOM]

Nw hunter please message me the infraction so that I may avoid committing another in the future.

I may have missed something so I too, would like to know what rules are in question?
 
 
LONGTOM

[dukkillr]

Two things:
 
1) This is not the place to debate the rules.  If you have a specific question, please contact one of the Moderators by PM.
 
2) According to the Moderator's log, it was Graybeard who deleted the posts in question, not NW_hunter. 
 
You might get some answers from here:
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,237338.0.html

[BUGEYE]

You need to remember any law passed is legal until tested and until the govt. causes  a citizen enough loss of freedom or property or wealth it will not be tested in court. In 1937 shotgun bbls were restricted to 18 inches or longer unless a tax stamp was approved and given. The only case to go to the supreame court never got there the guy accused left town and was never found . So since 1937 we all have been following an untested law. Of course no one wants to risk jail time to test the law . 
  So until a citizen is required to house troops during a time other than war there will be no case to validate the law that would oppose the 3 amnd.

I guess RubyRidge was sort of a test and they killed his wife and child.
Will obama start killing citizens too??

[LONGTOM]

Came into this one late so I guess the post in question was deleted before I arrived.
Thank for the explanation dukkillr.
 
 
LONGTOM

[SHOOTALL]

You need to remember any law passed is legal until tested and until the govt. causes  a citizen enough loss of freedom or property or wealth it will not be tested in court. In 1937 shotgun bbls were restricted to 18 inches or longer unless a tax stamp was approved and given. The only case to go to the supreame court never got there the guy accused left town and was never found . So since 1937 we all have been following an untested law. Of course no one wants to risk jail time to test the law . 
  So until a citizen is required to house troops during a time other than war there will be no case to validate the law that would oppose the 3 amnd.

I guess RubyRidge was sort of a test and they killed his wife and child.you might be right , his case of cutting off shotgun bbls was dismissed I think and he recived several million dollars in damages. No not what his family was worth but it did cause the govt. to look into its pratices .
Will obama start killing citizens too??