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U.S. gift of F-16 fighters headed to Egypt, despite Morsi's harsh rhetoric  By Maxim Lott
Published January 22, 2013
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  •    The planes were part of a 2010 foreign aid package, that critics say should have been canceled. (Courtesy: Carl Richards)
  •    The planes, made by Lockheed-Martin, are already marked with the Egyptian flag. (Courtesy: Carl Richards)
  Next Slide Previous Slide   Four F-16 fighter jets left the U.S. this morning, bound for Egypt as part of a foreign aid package critics say should have been scrapped when the nation elected a president who has called President Obama a liar and urged that hatred of Jews be instilled in children.
A source who works on the Naval Air Force Base in Dallas confirmed the departure of the state-of-the-art fighter planes to FoxNews.com. Sixteen F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks are to be given to the Egyptian government before the end of the year under a foreign aid deal signed in 2010 with then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a longtime U.S. ally..
Critics, including several in Congress, say it doesn't make sense to follow through with the package, given that new Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, elected last summer, has given decidedly mixed signals about relations with the U.S. While he has toned down his rhetoric since his election, in 2010 - the same year the aid package was struck - Morsi attacked Obama for supporting Israel.
 
“One American president after another — and most recently, that Obama — talks about American guarantees for the safety of the Zionists in Palestine," Morsi, then a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, said on Egyptian television in reaction to Obama's 2009 speech in Cairo. "[Obama] was very clear when he uttered his empty words on the land of Egypt. He uttered many lies, of which he couldn’t have fulfilled a single word, even if he were sincere — which he is not.”
 
In the comments translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, Morsi went on to urge that children be taught to hate Jews.
“Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them," he said. "They must be nursed on hatred. The hatred must continue.”
Lawmakers told FoxNews.com that even if Morsi has softened his stance, it makes no sense to arm his Islamist government with weapons that could one day be used against Israel or even Egyptians.
“It is appalling that the Obama administration would send F-16s and 200 military tanks to Egypt in the wake of the instability, [and the] anti-American and anti-Israel atmosphere," Rep. Louie Gohmert, (R-Texas), told FoxNews.com.
 
The U.S. government ordered the planes for Egypt from Lockheed Martin in 2010, as part of an annual aid package that regularly topped $1 billion. But the very next year, a popular revolution began which ultimately resulted in Mubarak's ouster and imprisonment, and the election of Morsi, a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. In November, Morsi tried to claim dictatorial powers, but was forced to back down from his claim after massive protests against the move.
Many worry that arming such a volatile Egypt will endanger Israel.
"My hope and prayer is that someone in this administration will wake up and smell the burning of [Israel's] future and rescind the supply of planes and tanks," Gohmert said. "If they do not, then perhaps there will arise leaders within our Congress with newfound courage to stop the lunacy."

 
“It is appalling that the Obama Administration would send F-16s and 200 military tanks to Egypt in the wake of the instability,
[and the] anti-American and anti-Israel atmosphere." - Rep. Louie Gohmert, (R-Texas)
Rep. Vern Buchanan, (R-Fla.), who recently called for ending foreign aid to Egypt altogether, told FoxNews.com the Muslim Brotherhood-backed Morsi government has been sending increasingly troubling signals to Washington, and giving it state-of-the-art fighter jets is a dangerous idea.
 
“American tax dollars must not be used to aid and abet any dictatorial regime that stands with terrorists,” Buchanan said.
Others note that Egypt's leaders could use the weapons on their own people.
"Tens of billions in U.S. aid has enhanced Cairo’s capacity for internal repression," Malou Innocent, a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute, told FoxNews.com.
"U.S. aid accounts for as much as 80% of the Egyptian Defense Ministry’s weapons procurement costs... In essence, American taxpayers have been Egypt’s major arms supplier, subsidizing the supply of F-16 jet fighters, M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, armored personnel carriers, Apache helicopters, and hundreds of millions of dollars in surplus military equipment."
The State Department did not respond to a request for comment about the pending delivery. But earlier this month, a spokesperson said the Obama administration seeks to “maintain a strategic partnership with Egypt that enhances the security and peace of the region.”

But Anthony H. Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the administration is right to send the planes.

"If you were to suddenly end this partnership with Egypt -- if you were to make Egypt feel that somehow it were not trusted or second-best, what would the security implications be? It certainly would justify or encourage all of the extremist elements that are trying to push Egypt away from both the peace process and the security partnership with the U.S.," he told FoxNews.com.

He said that the cost of providing the weapons is worth it.

"We need to remember that Egypt isn't just important to Israel. It is critical to us, because it controls the Suez Canal. It has been a vital staging point for U.S. operations in the gulf."

Cordesman argued that the F-16 fighter jets are unlikely to be turned against us or our allies, as they are too complex to be used effectively without U.S. maintenance.

"These weapons systems are certainly extremely effective, but no one can sustain them unless that partnership with the United States continues," he said. "The modern software, the computer systems, the munitions that make this weapons system so lethal -- other than us, there are no alternative suppliers. There are European states who can provide parts of the aircraft, but F-16s and most modern systems are basically dependent on U.S. manufacturers."

"In some ways, the more sophisticated the system, the safer it is to transfer," Cordesman said, while noting that there are still risks.

"There's no such thing as an arms transfer that is totally risk-free," he said.
According to a U.S. Air Force description, the planes' "maneuverability and combat radius exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft."
"The F-16 can fly more than 500 miles, deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point," the description states. "An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/22/gift-us-f-16-fighter-jets-en-route-to-egypt-amid-criticism/#ixzz2IjHKjLc1
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Does anyone still doubt that Hussein is a Muslim??   With Egypt right on their Israel's doorstep, they are extremely dangerous.  And they may embolden the other muzzie countries to get together to wipe out Israel.
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The Saudi's have nearly 200 F-15s and around another 80 British Tornados. That last I knew it the Saudi's were Muslim and it was mostly Saudi's that did 9/11, why is that not brought up?
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The Saudi's have nearly 200 F-15s and around another 80 British Tornados. That last I knew it the Saudi's were Muslim and it was mostly Saudi's that did 9/11, why is that not brought up?
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It was. I mentioned it a couple of times.  Al Qaeda is made up of muzzies from all over the Middle East.  And they are in cahoots with the Muslim brotherhood.
Everyone knows all that except you and Hussein. ::)
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I've known all along he is a Muslim.  He wants the U.S. to die.  How could it have happened that he became president when he is nothing less than our enemy?

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I've known all along he is a Muslim.  He wants the U.S. to die.  How could it have happened that he became president when he is nothing less than our enemy?
Easy answer.  parasites, people who didn't vote, people who wrote in someone else, a republican candidate who lost the primary and was too hateful to endorse Romney, young dopers who switched from that same candidate to obama hoping for legal dope.
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A supposed Christian supporting muslims over Israel, yep, he's really read his Bible. Pitiful. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Those towel heads won't last 10 seconds against Israeli pilots..
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 04:27:13 PM »
Those towel heads won't last 10 seconds against Israeli pilots..
i agree Israel has the best pilots, but i hope they are not over whelmed buy shear numbers. one on one the rag heads are dead

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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 04:43:55 PM »
A lot of congressmen were against arming our enemies, as they all should be. Hussein AGAIN bypasses congress, is he still going to send the 200 tanks too?? How ANY Christian AMERICAN could support this pitiful excuse for an American is beyond me.
He  has backed his muslim brotherhood since day one in every muslim country that has had regime change.
 
Their goal, and his, is to have ONE voice, the voice of his muslim brotherhood for all of the muslim nations, and to unite them against Israel. He's certainly no Christian, and doubtful he's even American. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 02:53:19 AM »
A lot of congressmen were against arming our enemies, as they all should be. Hussein AGAIN bypasses congress, is he still going to send the 200 tanks too?? How ANY Christian AMERICAN could support this pitiful excuse for an American is beyond me.
He  has backed his muslim brotherhood since day one in every muslim country that has had regime change.
 
Their goal, and his, is to have ONE voice, the voice of his muslim brotherhood for all of the muslim nations, and to unite them against Israel. He's certainly no Christian, and doubtful he's even American. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I agree.
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 03:23:49 AM »
Those towel heads won't last 10 seconds against Israeli pilots..

 
Swampman. Agreed Sir, but thats not the point. Point is that obummer is arming HIS brotherhood against our ONLY friend in that whole region. He is a traitor to our ally and to America.
I'd love to read from any of his co conspirators here how arming sworn enemies is good for America. Come on obummerbots, make some more excuses for your hero. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 04:06:57 AM »
I don't know about currently but in the past many Saudi F-15 pilots were trained here so I assume they could be quite good.
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2013, 04:21:12 AM »
Guzzi. Please explain how your hero arming our enemies is good for America. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 04:31:53 AM »
Guzzi. Please explain how your hero arming our enemies is good for America. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
He can't.....
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 05:11:14 AM »
I am not trying to explain how this is good or not. Just sayin that this has been going on a long time under several different presidents on both party sides. You all try to make it sound that none of this happened before Obama. It would be a hoot if the delivered planes had secret destruction devices that could be activated by out military as needed, if needed.
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2013, 05:26:07 AM »
guzzi. Big copout. Husseins muslim brotherhood was not in power before recently. Hussein is part of it, He's backed them in every regime change and his brotherhood is in charge now. Again Sir, How is this good for America or Israel?? Your hero is up to no good and it should be clear even to you. POWDERMAN.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2013, 05:28:40 AM »
How long has Saudi Arabia been Muslim?
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2013, 05:56:45 AM »
FDR sent armaments to the Jewish Bolshevic regime during WWII.  Do you have any complaints about that?  Millions of Christians perished as result of your support of Bolshevism.   >:(   
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2013, 06:11:21 AM »
guzzi. Big copout. Husseins muslim brotherhood was not in power before recently. Hussein is part of it, He's backed them in every regime change and his brotherhood is in charge now. Again Sir, How is this good for America or Israel?? Your hero is up to no good and it should be clear even to you. POWDERMAN.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You are correct... the muslim brotherhood took over Egypt during husseins reign.  and this new Egyptian prez has stated his feelings about Israel and they're not friendly.  husseins brotherhood has as its aim, to annihilate Israel.
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Re: Husseins sends F-16s to egypt, knowing they may be used against Israel.
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2013, 11:56:01 AM »
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husseins brotherhood has as its aim, to annihilate Israel.

 
BUGEYE. True Sir, and obummer intends to make sure they have the weapons to do it with. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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