i had a 12ga tracker2 for about 3 weeks, just long enough to try a couple different sabots, and to find out it just hurts to shoot it. i have a 20ga tracker 2 my boy uses for deer, my wife has used it to, recoil is not bad. but those 12ga. models are too much for me. and i am not a small guy, 5'11 and 235lbs, i got to say that 12ga tracker2 was just too much. it made my 30-06 feel like a 410. i dont mind a good thump, but man is them 3 inch sabots just too mean out of a 5lb gun. i did try one of my buddy's 12ga ultras, and i got to say that those dont kick much at all. and what a tac driver it is. got to say i would go with an ultra if i ever got a 12ga slug gun again.