Remington 760/7600: Torture Tests?

[mannyrock]

 
Dear Guys,
 
    I don't own one of these pump rifles, but I have been reading about them for the past few days.  I note that online, there are several Youtubes showing people shooting them rapid fire, with 10 round magazines.   The comments to these always say something like,  "Well, that's interesting, but you don't want to shoot one of these rifles like that very often, cause their not designed for that kind of shooting, or heavy shooting."
 
    My question is:  Who says?    I can find no reports or tests online whatsoever where someone has run one of these rifles through a series of torture tests.    (Since these were issued to various police departments over the years, I would think that somebody must have tested these things.)    Yes, I know that after 8 or 10 shots, the rifle would heat up and the groups would open up, but that's not the same as the rifle failing, or breaking, or seizing up.
 
   I think that almost a million of these rifles have been made, so you would think that there must be some sort of test out there.
 
   Has anybody ever seen or tried a test, firing say 50 shots through one of these in fairly short order?   Assuming that the chamber is properly polished, I can't see one of these just breaking.
 
   Thanks for all info.
 
Mannyrock

[wink_man]

I have never heard of any such issues with a 760/7600. Someone may be confusing them with the Remington semis, 740/742/7400. Supposedly, the semis have a life span of about 1000 rounds after which the ralls wear out and they won't eject properly anymore.
 
Personally, I have a 760 in 30-06 and a 7400 in 308, no issues at all with either one of them, but nowhere near 1,000 rounds through either of them either.

[mcbammer]

Dear Guys,
 
    I don't own one of these pump rifles, but I have been reading about them for the past few days.  I note that online, there are several Youtubes showing people shooting them rapid fire, with 10 round magazines.   The comments to these always say something like,  "Well, that's interesting, but you don't want to shoot one of these rifles like that very often, cause their not designed for that kind of shooting, or heavy shooting."
 
    My question is:  Who says?    I can find no reports or tests online whatsoever where someone has run one of these rifles through a series of torture tests.    (Since these were issued to various police departments over the years, I would think that somebody must have tested these things.)    Yes, I know that after 8 or 10 shots, the rifle would heat up and the groups would open up, but that's not the same as the rifle failing, or breaking, or seizing up.
 
   I think that almost a million of these rifles have been made, so you would think that there must be some sort of test out there.
 
   Has anybody ever seen or tried a test, firing say 50 shots through one of these in fairly short order?   Assuming that the chamber is properly polished, I can't see one of these just breaking.
 
   Thanks for all info.
 
Mannyrock

You  can  tear  up  anthing  if  you  try  hard  enough.  I wouldnt  even  consider  puting  my  760  just  to  sress  test  it.

[mannyrock]

 
McBammer,
 
   If you can't fire three boxes of ammo through a rifle in short order without breaking it, then I wouldn't own it.  Never had any problem doing this with any quality rifle, including a Marlin 336.
 
Best, Manny

[JPShelton]

I suppose the OP could buy one, torture it, do a videolog of the torturing, post it all on YouTube, and he'd have his curiosity satisfied and do the shooting public a favor at the same time, Lol....
JP

[mannyrock]

 
  Well then, I guess Remington had better start putting the following Warning on the buttstocks of the Remington 7600 .308 Police Carbines that they are selling to police departments:
 
    WARNING:  Although this firearm is marketed as a Tactical Weapon for law enforcement, it is really just a hunting rifle, not designed for rapid fire of more than 10 rounds.  Failure to heed this warning will result in your weapon breaking and you may get killed.   Just FYI.
 
   Regards, Mannyrock

[RevJim]

 Most likely all would happen is (a) you would burn your chamber throat badly, which could affect accuracy later on, after the gun fight! and (b) rifle gets hot and either seizes up or has a round cook off. But hey, after it cools off, it will open up. I just have never heard of anyone shooting more than a couple clips through even an auto. In fact, only one I can think of was my childhood friends dad who used a Mod 740 in 30.06 to shoot at ( which he finally hit and killed) a buck when we used to run them with hounds. He was on his last shot, second clip. The buck was running through some fairly open woods, and had crossed an old tram road three different times. He used iron sights ( as everyone "said" scopes were no good in the woods", ha) 

[mannyrock]

 
    I'm guessing that before either of those bad things happened, you would have a hard extraction on an empty and break or pop off the extractor. 
 
   The reason I wonder about this is that on several survival boards, people talk about the 7600 as being a do-all rifle, not just a hunting rifle but also a good hit-the-fan and ewawki rifle.   I can't see anyone recommeding it for this type of stuff until they have fired a good 50 rounds through it pretty fast.  You can't bet your life on a rifle unless you know its limits.
 
Manny
 
 

[mcbammer]

Manny 
I  would   bet  Remington  puts   each   model  thru  a   stress  test  before  it   leaves  their  factory. 

[joeinwv]

Our pump 30-06 kicked like a mule, I gave it to my brother. Not interested in rapid firing that puppy.

[JPShelton]

  Well then, I guess Remington had better start putting the following Warning on the buttstocks of the Remington 7600 .308 Police Carbines that they are selling to police departments:
 
    WARNING:  Although this firearm is marketed as a Tactical Weapon for law enforcement, it is really just a hunting rifle, not designed for rapid fire of more than 10 rounds.  Failure to heed this warning will result in your weapon breaking and you may get killed.   Just FYI.
 
   Regards, Mannyrock

Why would Remington need to put such a warning the buttstocks of 7600 rifles sold to law enforcement?  Remington has a subsidiary that handles law enforcement procurements.  I have no reason to suppose that they wouldn't be able to answer questions about service life, time before overhaul, type and quantity of replacement parts and specialized tools armorers need on hand to support the platform if adopted into service, and so on, just as they do for shotguns and bolt action rifles marketed to law enforcement.  That kind of information need not be a surprise to law enforcement agencies.  All they have to do is ask for it.
The assumption that Remington doesn't have that information beceause they don't make every individual member of society privy to it is a flawed one.
JP

[eastbank]

i have shot my 760,s and 7600,s  in 308 and 3006 35-40 times in a row with GI hard ball,not as fast as i could but fast enough to get them very hot with no problems at all. all cases ejected with out any sticking,no cook offs and hit a 6 'bullseye at 100yds with every shot useing a 2x7 leupold scope from a bench. this group was fired at 200yds from a bench slow fire with 1.5x5 leupold vex111 and 55grs 4350 and a 165gr nosler BT from my 7600 carbine. eastbank

[RevJim]

 I think that's a good test Eastbank, 35-50 rds is a ton of shooting, even in a theoretical shoot out. Most rifles used for Urban Defense Courses go through about 250rds in a days training, now "250rds" would be a major stress test on any rifle, the reason its recommended/used. If its going to break, it normally will during that many. I too would expect any good rifle (hunting or otherwise) to handle two or three boxes of ammo pretty quick. Being an accuracy OCD type, I would have to worry about burning the throat out, ha, even on a rifle used for 50yd hunting!

[pastorp]

For the average deer hunter that shoots less than a box of bullets, a 760 will last a couple of lifetimes.

How many police shoot outs take place in most departments. Not many. A large # of my wife's family and several of my best friends are or were retired law enforcement officers. Most from revolver days and 6 rounds was enough to handle most problems. This concept of "spray & pray" is a new thing. Suppressive fire really is not a good tactic in heavily populated areas. Too many civilians get hurt. It really makes the citizens upset. Issuing Glocks was probably the worst thing that has happened to law enforcement. Marksmanship training has gone down the tubes. My best friend was the training officer in a sheriffs dept in the southwest and he told me one day while we were shooting together that I was a better shot than most of the officers in his dept. Well yeah. I loved to shoot but many officers never shoot.

The point is mannyrock has a lawyers mentality. So he poses lawyers questions.  Us mere mortals would never dream of placing a warning on the buttstock of our rifle concerning the usable life of the gun.

JP I believe your answer covered it very well.

Regards,