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Please pass the link on to whomever you feel can benefit.

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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 10:08:06 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 06:30:34 AM »
Is there a place they will post some kind of up date on what is being done. Tom

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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 02:15:40 PM »
By last count, the Repeal petition held 118,000 signatures.  Another petition from Putnam County, I believe, has 46,000 signatures.  In addition, the GOP in the senate said they were going to support Marchione's call for Repeal, many County Sheriffs, county managers and some mayors question the effectiveness of the law and question its enforcement; and even some of cuomo's east coast neighboring governors criticized the act as a knee jerk reaction and doubted its effectiveness.  Plus, there are lawsuits that are just being filed, so it ain't over yet.
 
Last night I went to one of the public sessions the State Police held to clarify and inform on the new law.  The session was a paid political info session on the law and although it was heavily media attended, it never turned contentious but you knew the law was being critically reviewed and not found in favor.  Never the less, you have from now until 4/15/14 to register, sell or surrender anything considered a assault weapon or parts thereof, and high capacity magazines.  If you have a assault rifle and you want to keep it you have to have it modified to make it compliant but you can't have more than 10 rnds, and they have a hot line for clarifying questions (geez, imagine all this fuss and muss over a law). This is of course if you ever want to sell it legally or transfer it or pass it down as a inheritance.  Of course, if you resist you face death (I said that). 
Pistols - anything with more than 10 rnds must be registered; assault pistols include all the same stuff as for rifles: large cap mags, threaded blls, silencers, muzzle brakes, etc and you can either register sell or surrender or, of course, you face death (I siad that) - and Zee State Polezi will develop a system to consolidate information on pistol permits from the counties for their data base and will probably issue you a assault rifle certification on your pistol permit; although your county issues your pistol permit you will have to either renew your state pistol permit and defiantely your assault rifle registration every 5 years. Counties may elect to seek renewal of pistol permits and a couple of downstate counties were cited as having already done this so the precedent has been set, so they said, for renewal and re-registration every 5 years.
 
Ammo:  they (State polezi) will track 'large' amounts of ammunition sales.  Large amounts not really yet clarified.  All purchases of ammo, even individual boxes of 22s or shotgun slugs must be approved and would have to get nics checked and the cops were thinking some sort of a credit card swiper set-up like at the market where you swipe and they tell you yes or no, that sort of a thing and it can be done that quickly.  But they were nice enough to say they would have to see a lot of really large and unusual (two yet undefined terms I might add.  I said that) before they would begin questioning your motives.  For example - you haven't registered assault weapons yet you continually purchase battle packs of 200-250 rounds of 7.62x39mm AK-47 ammo (even though yer SKS without the bayo is perfectly acceptable and not considered assault type thing unless you modified it to be that way so then you would have to register it, and so is your bolt action sporting rifle for which you like great ammo deals and shoot a lot but you still have to explain yourself to the cops, par'n, polezi, dang, police, before THEY approve it.  However, if you purchase out of state they can not track it, so i almost imagine a number of ammo shops set up al along the borders haveing great deals on ammo and reloading supplies; reloading supplies are not considered ammo.
 
Pistols will be limited to 7 rounds. Anything with more than a 10 rnd capacity must be registered, which they are already are but you can't carry any more than 7 in the mag.  One in the chamber and 7 in the mag is ok.  Violations are charged as misnomeaners, which means that you lose your guns is what that means.  Of course you have time to comply or face death.  If you fail to register a assault thing, which includes the rifles,pistols and shotguns, or parts like pistol grips, muzzle brakes or flash hiders or silencers or other stuff, you won't legally be able to pass it down or sell it and if they catch you it is time to die (I said that..)
 
They know it will be a very difficult law to enforce and they are hoping for compliance.

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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 02:58:32 PM »
Can we still have multiple uppers for our AR's. Lets say I have one lower and two uppers (a 16" barrel upper and a 20" barrel upper), what do we do? Do we have to register just the lower with the serial number on it?
 
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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 01:00:57 AM »
Can we still have multiple uppers for our AR's. Lets say I have one lower and two uppers (a 16" barrel upper and a 20" barrel upper), what do we do? Do we have to register just the lower with the serial number on it?
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 01:23:27 AM »
 
      Thanks Lance;
  Please keep us updated on these CUOMUNIST gun law dictates..
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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 02:52:26 AM »
I am not a fan of cross posting in more than one thread but I feel a need to put this in all of the Safe Gun act related threads....

SCOPE, the Shooters Committee on Political Education is hosting the Unite for Our Rights rally at the state legislative office building on 28 February, 2013.

Here is the link:

http://scopeny.org/unite_for_our_rights.html

In addition to the buses listed, as of this AM it looks like there will be bus pick ups at the Petro truck stop at Exit 41, Waterloo on I-90 (Seneca County)and in Weedsport, Exit 40 of I-90 (Cayuga County).  As soon as those plans are firm they will be sent to SCOPE for posting on their site.  I suspect the cost of the Seneca and Cayuga County bus(es) will be $30 for the round trip.

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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 08:45:04 AM »
There is now a bus from Madison county.  It will pick up in Hamilton and Oneida.  If anyone needs contact info PM me.

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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 02:19:59 PM »
one hopefully two from st law county too pm me for details.  Look forward to meeting some of you there. 
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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 08:01:43 PM »
Can we still have multiple uppers for our AR's. Lets say I have one lower and two uppers (a 16" barrel upper and a 20" barrel upper), what do we do? Do we have to register just the lower with the serial number on it?
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 08:18:10 PM »
Another question.  I bought a brand new AR15 in early 2012.  It came from the factory with a then "post-ban compliant" muzzle brake.  Will I be able to keep the factory muzzle brake on it?  I've heard there are going to be some things that will be "grandfather-in".  Will these type of things be allowed?  What about forward grips (mounted on the hand guard).  Will these be ok, or will they have to be taken off?
 
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Re: NY Safe gun act repeal petition and federal class action lawsuit info
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 12:52:00 PM »
You are allowed to keep the rifle as is, you just have to  register with the state so they can confiscate when they decide to.
 If you remove all the evil features it does not have to be registered.
The best thing is to go to the web page they have set up and you will be able to answer most if not all your questions.  Some of the info people are giving after they read it is not allway accurate and you will have to explain your actions if ever questions.

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 02:10:09 PM »
I DO FEEL SORRY FOR YA'LL  IN NEW YORK


but  how many of you are registered democrats
your union  supports democrats...and you support your union
sure there are bad republicans...but...most gun grabbers are democrats


you have gotten what you deserve......at least  half of you that voted...voted democrat


what % of you stayed home on election day...or voted third party
those are the ones that got what they deserve


who didn't vote in the primaries
you too  got what you deserve


and  if you people fail to vote them out  next chance
then  you will get  more of what you deserve


you  people need to find every one that has voted for these people  and tell them where to go
i chalenge you to put a negative statement  on you signature  about democrats....like  mine
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 12:12:25 AM »
I DO FEEL SORRY FOR YA'LL  IN NEW YORK


but  how many of you are registered democrats
your union  supports democrats...and you support your union
sure there are bad republicans...but...most gun grabbers are democrats


you have gotten what you deserve......at least  half of you that voted...voted democrat


what % of you stayed home on election day...or voted third party
those are the ones that got what they deserve


who didn't vote in the primaries
you too  got what you deserve


and  if you people fail to vote them out  next chance
then  you will get  more of what you deserve


you  people need to find every one that has voted for these people  and tell them where to go
i chalenge you to put a negative statement  on you signature  about democrats....like  mine


Wow not judgemental are we?  You have no clue how NY works.  The reps and conservatives are out  numbered by the city libs.  The city area runs this state.  Do a little research before you tells us all we did and are doing wrong.  But thank you for pointing it out
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 12:16:20 AM »
Notice the small amount of responses on this site?  That is because we are the minority.  But do not worry it will be on the federal level soon I am afraid.  What good does it do to post how bad libs are?  We all know it and live it daily.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 03:41:42 AM »
bubba....if you voted  to stop these democrats.... then good...we need more like you


if you  didn't  then you are part of the problem


if you personaly  know people the voted  for these gun grabbers
speak  up and voice your opinion.....or your part of the problem
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2013, 05:42:17 AM »
New York City is our big problem and the people to lazy to get out and vote or make them self heard. I keep telling people to write and call and then do it again. I have gone as far as written the letter put it in a stamped envelope, all the people had to do was sign it. Some of the excuses make me just walk away.  I believe the republicans had control of one of our houses, but they turned their back on us and pushed it thought.
In all the elections I can only recall a few elections that may man won.  We have almost no voice in NY.
 
 
 

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 05:27:14 PM »
Just a little note, that may or may not affect your decision.  When California passed their "assault" rifle ban, and required registration.  Guess how many people complied?

Out of a population of 35 million people, only 27,000"assault" weapons were registered.  This is 27,000 out of an estimated 500,000 (half-million) to 1,000,000 (1 million) legally owned "assault" weapons in California, or 2.7% registered.

It's called the largest act of Civil Disobedience in US history.  Something to keep in mind.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1952

The funny thing is that, when a letter to the editor writer wrote, that he was not going to register his "assault" rifles.   The liberals started to write letters, complaining that gun owners aren't allowed to pick and choose which laws they want to obey.  I sort of remember that the libs rarely comply with laws they don't like.
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My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2013, 03:45:11 AM »
with out the democrats  you new yorkers wouldn]t have these laws


not  one of you have anything  in your signatures  calling them [democrats]  out


old school...you  come close
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2013, 04:02:56 AM »
with out the democrats  you new yorkers wouldn]t have these laws


not  one of you have anything  in your signatures  calling them [democrats]  out


old school...you  come close
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  I understood just what you meant 45/70...and I took no offence.  I contributed to and campaigned for conservative candidates  as well as trying to convince all who I could to vote in the right way; and voted myself..   So your remarks didn't bother me.
   Fact is, it is the cities which ruin things for the people who actually think !  As I said in an earlier post, NY State is a bright red state with 5 bright blue spots..which stand out like boils.  Unfortunately, those bright blue spots are the bigger cities, which are almost all Democ-rat/Liberal...and they outnumber us..
   There actually should be new lines drawn..a verticle line down across NY and Pennsylvania.  That way NY City and Philadelphia could be left to be "Eastern NYPenn"  and the western half set aside to be "Western NYPenn"..  Everybody would likely be much happier...other than Democ-rat politicians.. ;) ;D
 
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2013, 03:50:14 PM »
IG    you are correct


but you need to look at joining the republicans
the lesser of 2 evils  is the only game like it or not
by joining the republicans.....you can  make them slightly better


keep up the fight  IG
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2013, 01:41:45 PM »
actually the line should go across the state and cut off the big city.  I guess posting how bad democrats are is a solution?  I plan to go to Albany on 2/28 and tell them in person.  Since they do not read these posts, I feel my solution will work better.  I also plan to attend my county legislature meeting tomorrow evening when my legislator introduces legislation that the county will not support the new laws.  I think that works better than saying how bad they are in a web site. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2013, 03:33:36 PM »
YES IT WILL WORK BETTER


but every thing we do will help

when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2013, 05:39:54 PM »
I DO FEEL SORRY FOR YA'LL  IN NEW YORK


but  how many of you are registered democrats
your union  supports democrats...and you support your union
sure there are bad republicans...but...most gun grabbers are democrats


you have gotten what you deserve......at least  half of you that voted...voted democrat


what % of you stayed home on election day...or voted third party
those are the ones that got what they deserve


who didn't vote in the primaries
you too  got what you deserve


and  if you people fail to vote them out  next chance
then  you will get  more of what you deserve


you  people need to find every one that has voted for these people  and tell them where to go
i chalenge you to put a negative statement  on you signature  about democrats....like  mine

 
It's nice to know you think we "got what we deserve"
Of course it's easy for you to talk trash from sunny Florida... maybe you should come live here and see what it's really like to get shafted by your state government.
 
What's the deal with you talking up your signature line? Do you really think it makes a difference what it says? Let me tell you... it doesn't.
 
When you come up here and stand beside us at a town hall meeting or on the steps of the capital it'll make a difference. Until then..... blah, blah, blah.
 
 
 
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2013, 11:58:46 PM »
I agree Spanky.  Gunny part is I have seen this put a democrat hate line in your signature line.  As long as this thread has been going, I have not read his.  I was saying the same thing but nicer.  In fact I never read anyone's signature line. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2013, 02:55:10 AM »
i will admit  to not  doing enough  as you say


and am very fortunate  to live in a great state


but  i also  see  my state slipping   away  in the same direction   as yours


I DO  NEED TO DO  MORE
or  i will get what  i deserve...sorry to have offended those that did the right thing



i did tell  my union after  12years where to go  over  BILL KLINTON
have you waslked away from a job  over the 2nd ammendment
yet still  i don't think i have done enough

when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.