barrel Pricing question

[jparedes]

If H&R installs current available barrels for $96.00 or $114.00 (depending on the barrel), why is it that so many people when listing barrels for sale in this forum start by asking prices well above that?

I guess there must be some hidden costs of which I'm not aware.

What do you folks think?

[quickdtoo]

After the fitting fee, shipping both ways and tax, that barrel costs around $160, see the order form for costs.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/store/HR_Barrel_Order_Form-2.pdf

[elkslayer4x5]

If H&R installs current available barrels for $96.00 or $114.00 (depending on the barrel), why is it that so many people when listing barrels for sale in this forum start by asking prices well above that?

I guess there must be some hidden costs of which I'm not aware.

What do you folks think?

You're forgetting the shipping, and the fitting fee, about $45-50 for both, and the barrels for sale in the classified are ( most of the time ) shipped by the seller to your door.   
I see that Tim is much faster than I am at fielding these questions.

[Ol BW]

There was some controversy over that very thing in an earlier thread.  With a second-hand barrel why would you charge for the fitting fee?  S&H I understand.  More for ejector bbl. I understand.  More for discontinued bbl. I understand.  I can even understand paying more for the convenience of not sending your frame in to fit.  However, if the buyer is buying a used barrel that will have to be fitted, why would he "reimburse" the seller for their fitting that they may or may not have done or had done by a pro?

Ain't that like selling a car and charging the next guy extra because you had to take it to the mechanic while you owned it?

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,270393.0.html

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

good thing you aren't Canadian.

I was quoted $150 for barrel, $300 import fee, $shipping both ways, $80 fitting fee...

so for me to get a factory barrel fitted, $580.00 + $58 taxes...  = $638.00

I just bought TWO 35Whelen COMPLETE RIFLES for $645.49 TMD

[Old Fart]

I personally don't have a problem with someone recouping part of thier cost.
If I feel it's too high I can ship my frame back to have a barrel fitted.

[Ol BW]

I think PART is the key word there.  Part not all of the cost.

[gcrank1]

It is what the 'market' will bear, plain and simple. If anybody has ANYTHING for sale he/she is free to ask whatever they want, this is America, after all, and this is the epitome of Free Enterprise. If it doesnt sell they are FREE to lower the price until it does or FREE to keep it there until somebody does. Feel FREE to not pay more than you think anything is worth to you.
Thus ends Econ 101, USA (no insult to anyone intended).

[YRUpunting?]

It is what the 'market' will bear, plain and simple. If anybody has ANYTHING for sale he/she is free to ask whatever they want, this is America, after all, and this is the epitome of Free Enterprise. If it doesnt sell they are FREE to lower the price until it does or FREE to keep it there until somebody does. Feel FREE to not pay more than you think anything is worth to you.
Thus ends Econ 101, USA (no insult to anyone intended).

Agreed!! 

[Ol BW]

Sorry bout the long post. 

I agree with Gcrank's free market analysis, and I have paid more for things than what they were "worth" in the past, cause it was worth it to me.  I agree that it helps to explain that there are extra cost associated with a accessory barrel, but to label the "perceived" excess cost of second hand barrel cost as fitting fee is not quite correct.  It is simply the market price.

That's why we pay what we are paying for every other product or service.  That is why Quick keeps the post for the classifieds locked so we can see what the market is doing.

So if you got something to sell, don't blow smoke about recovering cost.  Do some research and see what the going market price is and price your product accordingly.  If you expect to haggle, build that in too.  But remember markets go down too and what you have may not be worth as much as YOU paid for it.  In which case you accept the loss or don't sell!  Nobody has to buy it!

[jy951]

Not having to pack up a receiver, wait in line at the post office, wait an unknown amount of time, worry about whether your receiver is lost, is well worth the few extra bucks someone may be charging for their used or new take off barrel.  If you don't want to pay a few extra $$$, feel free to ship your receiver in to the factory.

[Spanky]

Usually the guys who abide by the "whatever the market will bear" nonsense and the guys who agree with them are looking to rip someone off... with a smile on their face. I don't deal with those type of people.
 
It's a sense of entitlement by the seller that runs the prices up on used barrels... To their way of thinking if the factory can charge a fitting fee then they also are entitled to it. If the factory can charge shipping both ways then they also are entitled to it, etc, etc, etc.
 
When you buy a second hand barrel is the seller going to come to your house and do the fitting for you??  NO
Can the seller collect sales tax??  NO
Is the seller collecting shipping for both ways??  NO
 
That's where the "whatever the market will bear" guys come into play with their sense of entitlement.
 
The best way to get away from the price gouging is simple... don't buy until the price is fair and reasonable. Of course that won't always work either because some guys sit at their computers with their "I'll take it" finger ready to go regardless of the price. Those guys are right up there with the price gouging sellers when it comes to running up the prices. For them it's a matter of getting all the marbles before anyone else does... more money than brains I guess.
 
Is the used marked perfect??  No
Can it be better??  YES
 
 
 
Spanky

[gcrank1]

Lets see then, by that 'analysis' if I had paid $200 for a Colt's Mdl P in nice shape 30years ago I should only sell it (hopefully to you) for $200 now, otherwise Im a 'gouger'?

[gendoc]

Lets see then, by that 'analysis' if I had paid $200 for a Colt's Mdl P in nice shape 30years ago I should only sell it (hopefully to you) for $200 now, otherwise Im a 'gouger'?

..........i'm wifya crank !!!

[frgerald]

A "good deal" is one where both buyer and seller are happy.     Price is incidental.   

[gcrank1]

Well Said!

[petemi]

Amen, Padre. 

Most barrels for sale here go for less than the cost of sending a frame up to Illion.  There are exceptions; usually discontinued barrels such as .45 Colt, 7x57, 7.62x39 etc. go for more.   It's just supply and demand.  Keeping spare frames around simplifies barrel fitting and I can usually save money by doing it myself if I can find the barrel I want.

Pete

[Spanky]

Lets see then, by that 'analysis' if I had paid $200 for a Colt's Mdl P in nice shape 30years ago I should only sell it (hopefully to you) for $200 now, otherwise Im a 'gouger'?

It wasn't an "analysis" it was just my opinion. I didn't call you a "gouger"... Point of fact I didn't call you anything. As far as selling your Colt Mdl P... I'm not in the market for one so selling it to me in a non issue.
 
 
 
Spanky

[Old Fart]

The one thing I keep thinking is these aren't necessary.
So we all can get by without one.
 
I've been more of a buyer than seller and have been guilty (almost  ) of having my "I'll take it." finger loaded a time or two. So point taken Spanky.    But most of what I've bought were either alreay low priced and got lucky or been on the site for a while.
 
I really don't know what a "Fair" price for a used barrel should be today. I just know there is a point where I say to myself I don't want it that bad.

[cjrjck]

Got a frame, stock, and forend in now. Getting a barrel I could not find at the time. Big boomer. Going to make it into a smokeless ML.  Out $10 so far. I was able to get all the parts into a Priority Mail Regional Box A. Will let you know the total when it gets back. I know how much I placed on the cc but I will see if I missed something.

[gcrank1]

Spanky, I didnt mean to ruffle ya, just posed a question for thought based on your statements.
An opinion is formed by personal analysis.
I never said you called me a 'gouger', or anything else.
Im glad you dont need or want a $200 Colt's Mdl P 'cause I dont think you will find one.
If you did I would rejoice WITH you for your good fortune.

[YRUpunting?]

The one thing I keep thinking is these aren't necessary.
So we all can get by without one.
 
I've been more of a buyer than seller and have been guilty (almost  ) of having my "I'll take it." finger loaded a time or two. So point taken Spanky.    But most of what I've bought were either alreay low priced and got lucky or been on the site for a while.
 
I really don't know what a "Fair" price for a used barrel should be today. I just know there is a point where I say to myself I don't want it that bad.

If you (as in anyone) want to buy the item, buy it.  Everyone has equal access and choice to buy an item or not.  The rules clearly state the first "I'll take it" buys the item.  There's another issue about "PM sent" and no "I'll take it" ever posted, but that's a discussion for it's own post.

"Fair".  When I hear that word I think of listening to two 4 year old's being forced to share a cookie and one whining their half is smaller and it isn't "Fair".  We are buying, selling and trading luxury items.  As long as the buyer, seller, or trader is happy with the transaction whatever anyone else thinks is irrelevant. 

[petemi]

"As long as the buyer, seller, or trader is happy with the transaction whatever anyone else thinks is irrelevant."

That about sums it up

Pete
 

[oldsoldja]

Lets see then, by that 'analysis' if I had paid $200 for a Colt's Mdl P in nice shape 30years ago I should only sell it (hopefully to you) for $200 now, otherwise Im a 'gouger'?

no. that makes you a fool. 


but if it were my sister, id sell it to her for what i paid for it. And then she'd make me cupcakes and then sell it to some poor oppressed canadian, and thats how the barrel price got to 150.00, its all the flour and butter added in.

[Spanky]

Spanky, I didnt mean to ruffle ya, just posed a question for thought based on your statements.
An opinion is formed by personal analysis.
I never said you called me a 'gouger', or anything else.
Im glad you dont need or want a $200 Colt's Mdl P 'cause I dont think you will find one.
If you did I would rejoice WITH you for your good fortune.

 
No problem... you didn't do any ruffling.
I know my opinion isn't always the popular one and sometimes I get a little carried away.
Truth be known I wish everything still went by the barter system. Money makes people greedy and it sucks.
The prices have been very reasonable for used Handi parts and it's nice to see people getting good deals... certainly better than some of the ebay prices.   That 7.62x39 barrel for $265 is pretty steep... You can buy a whole new Handi for that. It is a somewhat hard to find barrel though so it'll probably sell if it hasn't already.
Anyway... I hope noboby takes offense to my opinions. Like I said... it ain't always popular and it ain't worth much but it's all I got.
 
 
 
Spanky

[Dagalee]

The price for a factory installed barrel includes a warranty.
That's matters to some people more than others.
The price also includes no rust inside the barrel ,
a factory fresh blue finish , etc.
Different stokes for different folks.

Dagalee

[garbhead]

A "good deal" is one where both buyer and seller are happy.     Price is incidental.   

Usually a genuine good deal is when both parties felt that they were each cheated.

[AtlLaw]

A "good deal" is one where both buyer and seller are happy.     Price is incidental.   

Usually a genuine good deal is when both parties felt that they were each cheated.

Hummm     Then a "great" deal would be when each party feels they cheated the other...

[gcrank1]

FWIW, the past few years Ive been 'cost averaging' my stuff; yeah, paid too much for that (But I got it  cause I wanted it), 'steal' on that, etc., so it probably evens out pretty good in the end.
I also used to keep tight track of 'costs' associated with my interests; not so much anymore, it really doesnt matter, does it? In the end, if Im gone or not, it all is still only 'worth' what someone will pay; meanwhile I'll play  .
And thanx to the GBO folks who have traded with me and been so generous and fair!

[Spanky]

And thanx to the GBO folks who have traded with me and been so generous and fair!

 
+1 to that.
There's a good bunch of folks here at GBO.
 
 
 
Spanky