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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 01:00:43 PM »
I can clearly draw a line for the violence by liberal programs.
Higher taxes raise prices and take away disposable income.
The higher prices require a two income family.
With both parents away from the home it allows the kids to kind of run wild.
We have a policy that the people of color are not responsible for thier actions asn why should we have a father in the house?  We have created programs that rewarded bad behavior of Baby Daddies and absentee parents as well as welfare babies, the more kids the bigger the check from Uncle sam.
You have a Lord of the flies senario and the generations of wild children get further and further from civilized.
The War on poverty is the war on our society. 
Look at the 50's when every kid boy walked around with a pair of 6 shooters on his hips and went out to defend people against the bad people in the black hats.  The cattle rustlers, the evil political bosses, the Mexican army trying to take back Texas.
As I am typing this I realize that the cattle rustlers are liberas, the evil political bosses are the liberals and the liberals are upset that the Americans stole the west from the native people and the mexicans.  So I can see why they want to get rid of that thinking.
Now we have Rap stars that talk about killing because someone diss's them or wears the wrong color.  And we do not have parents involved to tell them NO.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2013, 01:58:45 PM »
I think The National Firearms Act of 1968 is what stopped the public from buying full autos without paying a transfer tax and being fingerprinted, not Ronald Reagon.
 
 
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2013, 02:52:50 PM »
I think The National Firearms Act of 1968 is what stopped the public from buying full autos without paying a transfer tax and being fingerprinted, not Ronald Reagon.
 
 
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Actually the NFA came out in 1934, this might be what you're thinking of. The Gun Control Act of 1968 didn't address this although it did ban the importation of certain full auto machine guns such as the AK-47 for civilians due to the new "sporting purpose" BS language in the law.

Reagan signed a machine gun ban in 1986 which was part of the FOPA. It banned a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986.

This is fact so despite the excuses you might hear people make for Reagan he was a gun grabber.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2013, 03:11:25 PM »
As much as I don't like Democrats and have no doubt that they want to take our guns many Republicans haven't been friends to gun owners either. The fact that we have a Republican controlled House and we are still worried to death about our 2nd Amendment rights is proof of that.

The fact is, up until this point Ronald Reagan and Mitt Romney both have violated the 2nd Amendment and stripped gun owners of their rights to own the same weapons as the military.

We all know what the intent of the 2nd Amendment is. We know that the founders wanted us to have the same weapons as the government to keep them in check. Lately this has been the rallying cry of Americans who want the government to respect our right to own semi-auto AR-15's, AK's, etc. The dirty secret here is a REPUBLICAN already stripped our rights to buy full auto versions of these.

FACT - Ronald Reagan made it illegal for gun manufacturers to manufacture full autos for civilians like us to buy. This has caused the existing full autos to reach a price that the average American can't afford along with the fact that we have to pay a $200 tax and get treated like a criminal just to exercise a God given right. Most gun owners don't realise that Reagan did this to us or they give him a pass and make excuses for him despite the fact that he was a gun grabber.

FACT - Mitt Romney continued the 1994 ban in Massachusetts by signing it into permanent law after the federal ban expired. He is another undeniable gun grabber yet people still make excuses for this POS because he has an "R" next to his name.

Despite these facts there are many Republican rump-swabs who will come up with all kinds of foolish excuses for these two gun grabbers then say that Democrat gun grabbers are somehow worse. Gun grabbing is gun grabbing, it's all bad. Reagan took the 1st step in stripping us of the weapons that the founders wanted us to have (full auto equal to the military). Romney took the 2nd step in Massachusetts. Next Obama wants to take away semi-autos nationwide. After that it will be shotguns, bolt-actions and lever actions. Thank your hero Ronald Reagan for getting us started down this path.
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  All that lengthy  explanation.. and STILL no admission that Obama & Co flat out lied and made a fool of every serious gun owner who voted for him..
All those big red letters and STILL no admission that Reagan and Romney were gun grabbers just like Obama. While it's no secret that Obama is a liar and would sign a gun ban, until he actually signs one Reagan and Romney actually have a worse record on gun control than Obama.
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2013, 03:17:40 PM »
Add to that Bush one and you have the most sweeping anti gun legislation in modern history .

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2013, 03:18:00 PM »
Doublebass;
     Thanks for your "man up"..but you are mistaken on your accusations on R & R...  Neither one even attempted to INSTITUTE a national gun control act..as Obama is doing as we type.  I can remember the Reagan presidential years well, and I cannot recall any tightening of firearms nationally beyond what the Democrats did in 1968.
  Perhaps you had best indulge in the REAL Reagan, rather that the cartoon character of "liberal spin".. Here he is..in a real defense of our 2nd amendment...
  Honest American gun owners perhaps should save this to counter the Leftie-lies..
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   [In the September 1975 issue of Guns & Ammo magazine, Ronald Reagan, then two-time Governer of California, penned this column. A man of conviction, Ronaldus Magnus was true to these words before and during his eight-year presidency.]


There are tales of robbery victims that are shot down in cold blood or executed "gangland style." There are stories of deranged parents killing their children or deranged children killing their parents. There are reports of snipers. And now and then the headlines blurt out that an assassin has struck again, killing a prominent official or citizen. All of these stories involve the use of guns, or seem to. As a result, there is growing clamor to outlaw guns, to ban guns, to confiscate guns in the name of public safety and public good.

These demands come from people genuinely concerned about rising crime rates, persons such as Sheriff Peter Pitchess of Los Angeles, who says gun control is an idea whose time has come. They come from people who see the outlawing of guns as a way of outlawing violence. And they come from those who see confiscation of weapons as one way of keeping the people under control.

Now I yield to no one in my concern about crime, and especially crimes of violence. As governor of California for eight years, I struggled daily with that problem. I appointed judges who, to the best of my information, would be tough on criminals. We approved legislation to make it more difficult for persons with records of crime or instability to purchase firearms legally. We worked to bring about swift and certain punishment for persons guilty of crimes of violence.

We fought hard to reinstate the death sentence after our state Supreme Court outlawed it, and after the U.S. Supreme Court followed suit, we won.

Now, however, the California court that sought eagerly to be the first to outlaw the death penalty is dragging its heels as it waits for the U.S. Court to rule. The Chief Justice in California, whom I appointed with such high hopes, in this regard has disappointed many of us who looked to him to help again make our streets, our shops and our homes safe. I find it difficult to understand persons like President Ford's new Attorney General, Edward H. Levi. Attorney General Levi would ban guns in areas with high rates of crime.

Mr. Levi is confused. He thinks somehow that banning guns keeps them out of the hands of criminals. New Yorkers who suffer under the Sullivan Act know better, they know that the Sullivan Act makes law-abiding citizens sitting ducks for criminals who have no qualms about violating it in the process of killing and robbing and burglarizing. Despite this, Mr. Levi apparently thinks that criminals will be willing to give up their guns if he makes carrying them against the law. What naivete!

Mightn't it be better in those areas of high crime to arm the homeowner and the shopkeeper, teach him how to use his weapons and put the word out to the underworld that it is not longer totally safe to rob and murder?

Our nation was built and civilized by men and women who used guns in self-defense and in pursuit of peace. One wonders indeed, if the rising crime rate, isn't due as much as anything to the criminal's instinctive knowledge that the average victim no longer has means of self-protection.

No one knows how many crimes are committed because the criminal knows he has a soft touch. No one knows how many stores have been let alone because the criminals knew it was guarded by a man with a gun or manned by a proprietor who knew how to use a gun.

Criminals are not dissuaded by soft words, soft judges or easy laws. They are dissuaded by fear and they are prevented from repeating their crimes by death or by incarceration.

In my opinion, proposals to outlaw or confiscate guns are simply unrealistic panacea. We are never going to prevent murder; we are never going to eliminate crime; we are never going to end violent action by the criminals and the crazies--with or without guns.

True, guns are a means for committing murder and other crimes. But they are not an essential means. The Los Angeles Slasher of last winter killed nine men without using a gun. People kill and rob with knives and clubs. Yet we have not talked about outlawing them. Poisons are easy to come by for the silent killer.

The automobile is the greatest peacetime killer in history. There is no talk of banning the auto. With the auto we have cracked down on drunken drivers and on careless drivers. We need also to crack down on people who use guns carelessly or with criminal intent.

I believe criminals who use guns in the commission of a crime, or who carry guns, should be given mandatory sentences with no opportunity for parole. That would put the burden where it belongs--on the criminal, not on the law abiding citizen.

Let's not kid ourselves about what the purpose of prison should be: It should be to remove criminals from circulation so that they cannot prey upon society. Punishment for deterrent purposes, also plays a part. Rehabilitation, as many experts, including California Attorney General Evelle Younger, have discovered, is not a very good reason for imprisoning people. People don't rehabilitate very well in prison.

There is an old saying that slaves remain slaves while free men set themselves free. It is true with rehabilitation, also. Criminals rehabilitate themselves, there is little you and I can do about it. But back to the purpose of this article which, hopefully, is to make the case against gun control.

The starting point must be the Constitution, because, above all, we are a nation of laws and the foundation for our laws, or lack of same, is the Constitution.

It is amazing to me how so many people pay lip service to the Constitution, yet set out to twist and distort it when it stands in the way of things they think ought to be done or laws they believe ought to be passed. It is also amazing to me how often our courts do the same thing.

The Second Amendment is clear, or ought to be. It appears to leave little, if any, leeway for the gun control advocate. It reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There are those who say that, since we have no militia, the amendment no longer applies; they would just ignore it. Others say nuclear weapons have made the right to keep and bear arms irrelevant, since arms are of little use against weapons of such terrible destructive power. Both arguments are specious.

We may not have a well-regulated militia, but it does not necessarily follow that we should not be prepared to have one. The day could easily come when we need one.

The nuclear weapon argument is even more silly. Many wars have been fought since World War II and no nuclear bomb has been dropped. We have no assurance that the next world war will be a nuclear war. But, regardless of any possible merit they might have, both these arguments beg the question, which is: Shall the people have a right to keep and bear arms?

There is little doubt that the founding fathers thought they should have this right, and for a very specific reason: They distrusted government. All of the first 10 amendments make that clear. Each of them specifies an area where government cannot impose itself on the individual or where the individual must be protected from government.

The second amendment gives the individual citizen a means of protection against the despotism of the state. Look what it refers to: "The security of a free state." The word "free" should be underlined because that is what they are talking about and that is what the Constitution is about--a free nation and a free people, where the rights of the individual are pre-eminent. The founding fathers had seen, as the Declaration of Independence tells us, what a despotic government can do to its own people. Indeed, every American should read the Declaration of Independence before he reads the Constitution, and he will see that the Constitution aims at preventing a recurrence of the way George III's government treated the colonies.

The declaration states this plainly: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and to provide new Guards for their future security."

There is no question that the first 10 amendments are a part of those "new guards" for their future security. And one of the most basic of those guards is the right to keep and bear arms.

There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism--government.

Lord Acton said power corrupts. Surely then, if this is true, the more power we give the government the more corrupt it will become. And if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it. When dictators come to power, the first thing they do is take away the people's weapons. It makes it so much easier for the secret police to operate, it makes it so much easier to force the will of the ruler upon the ruled.

Now I believe our nation's leaders are good and well-meaning people. I do not believe that they have any desire to impose a dictatorship upon us. But this does not mean that such will always be the case. A nation rent internally, as ours has been in recent years, is always ripe for a "man on a white horse." A deterrent to that man, or to any man seeking unlawful power, is the knowledge that those who oppose him are not helpless.

The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed. When the British forgot that they got a revolution. And, as a result, we Americans got a Constitution; a Constitution that, as those who wrote it were determined, would keep men free. If we give up part of that Constitution we give up part of our freedom and increase the chance that we will lose it all.

I am not ready to take that risk. I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2013, 03:45:07 PM »
Make all the excuses you want, facts do not lie. I remember the Reagan years as well. Read the FOPA of 1986, especially the machine gun ban section. Reagan signed it, end of story.

Romney continued the federal AWB of 1994 permanently in Mass after it expired in 2004. Read Massachusetts General Law C.140 §§121, 131C, 131M and 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30)
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2013, 03:55:44 PM »
Here is the Firearms owners protection act of 1986 ..
 
  If you read it through it demonstrates how Reagan had to fight the Democ-rats for our gun freedom, because the Democ-rats controlled both house and senate and were acting much like the comm..er  Democrats of today, and cooked up the bill:
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  BTW: Machine guns were already banned in 1934..
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Federal Firearms Regulations It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its National Firearms Registry
   
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2013, 04:09:06 PM »
Just got done reading the gun act of 1934 and yes the restrictions were placed on full auto guns in that act, not the 1968 version.
Also just got done reading the 1986 update and yes Reagan did sign the bill to stop the mfg of full auto firearms for sale to civilians.
The bill he signed did not stop the private citizen from owning one nor did it try to take any away from anyone.
I'm not sure that THE LIAR IN THE WHITEHOUSE is willing to stop short of trying to take guns away this time.
 
 
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2013, 04:32:36 PM »
It's called "political posturing." (Look it up.) Everyone knows there's no way any real anti-gun legislation is going to get through the righty House. So, Obama's Administration makes some token noise about regulation--- not too loud, mind you, and from the usual suspects. That keeps them in good with the antigunners, is not too extreme, so it's ok with liberal gun owners, and gives the right another chance to display their hardheaded obstructionism without much changing at all. And the right took it, hook, line, and sinker--- now they've cemented their image as kill-crazy lunatics, at very little cost to the administration, and pushed most of the country a bit farther left. Rightys don't do "subtle," so they won't see this as more deck stacking against them--- can't see too far from inside that bubble, after all. The right is being set up, plain and simple. Look for more opportunities to not cooperate to be shoved at them for the next couple of years. In the end, the right will just look as obstructionistic and narrowly focused as it did in the last election, and they will lose again. Y'all ain't seen nothin' yet.
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 04:35:35 AM »
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The bill he signed did not stop the private citizen from owning one nor did it try to take any away from anyone.

Have you seen the prices of machine guns? They are upwards of $10,000 now. I don't know about you but I and the average American cannot afford one. That is what the FOPA of '86 that Reagan signed did to us. All Reagan had to do was not sign the bill, period. That was the 1st step in taking away our right to own the same weapons as the military.

BTW Obama and Feinstein are trying to do the EXACT SAME THING to us now with semi auto rifles.

1. Reagan banned the manufacture of full-auto weapons for civilian use (Obama and Feinstein want to ban the manufacture of semi-auto weapons for civilian use).

2. Reagan's law allows us to own any full-auto made before the ban (Feinstein's bill allows us to own any semi-auto made before the ban).

3. Reagan's law only allows us to own full-autos made before the ban IF we register them as an NFA weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp (Feinstein's bill only allows us to own semi-autos made before the ban IF we register them as an NFA weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp)


See, there is no difference between what Reagan did to gun owners and what Obama and Feinstein are trying to do to gun owners. Your original quote of "The bill he signed did not stop the private citizen from owning one nor did it try to take any away from anyone." could also be applied to Feinstein's bill. What Feinstein's bill will do is make the price of semi-auto AR-15's, AK's, etc. get to a price over time where the average American can't afford one just Like Reagan's law did to full-autos.

It is completely disingenuous for us as freedom loving Americans to look the other way if a Republican does a gun grab yet complain about the loss of our Constitutional rights when Democrats do the exact same gun grab.
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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 04:49:11 AM »
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The bill he signed did not stop the private citizen from owning one nor did it try to take any away from anyone.

Have you seen the prices of machine guns? They are upwards of $10,000 now. I don't know about you but I and the average American cannot afford one. That is what the FOPA of '86 that Reagan signed did to us. All Reagan had to do was not sign the bill, period. That was the 1st step in taking away our right to own the same weapons as the military.

BTW Obama and Feinstein are trying to do the EXACT SAME THING to us now with semi auto rifles.

1. Reagan banned the manufacture of full-auto weapons for civilian use (Obama and Feinstein want to ban the manufacture of semi-auto weapons for civilian use).

2. Reagan's law allows us to own any full-auto made before the ban (Feinstein's bill allows us to own any semi-auto made before the ban).

3. Reagan's law only allows us to own full-autos made before the ban IF we register them as an NFA weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp (Feinstein's bill only allows us to own semi-autos made before the ban IF we register them as an NFA weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp)


See, there is no difference between what Reagan did to gun owners and what Obama and Feinstein are trying to do to gun owners. Your original quote of "The bill he signed did not stop the private citizen from owning one nor did it try to take any away from anyone." could also be applied to Feinstein's bill. What Feinstein's bill will do is make the price of semi-auto AR-15's, AK's, etc. get to a price over time where the average American can't afford one just Like Reagan's law did to full-autos.

It is completely disingenuous for us as freedom loving Americans to look the other way if a Republican does a gun grab yet complain about the loss of our Constitutional rights when Democrats do the exact same gun grab.
Since you seem to realize that obama is trying to disarm us, why don't you get on board with us who are now fighting obama, and quit trying to alienate as many people as you can by sticking wiith your man who tried to destroy the entire gun and ammo making industry by voting to bankrupt them.   It's going to take ALL of us cooperating to get anything done.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 05:00:32 AM »
I think The National Firearms Act of 1968 is what stopped the public from buying full autos without paying a transfer tax and being fingerprinted, not Ronald Reagon.
 
 
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Actually the NFA came out in 1934, this might be what you're thinking of. The Gun Control Act of 1968 didn't address this although it did ban the importation of certain full auto machine guns such as the AK-47 for civilians due to the new "sporting purpose" BS language in the law.

Reagan signed a machine gun ban in 1986 which was part of the FOPA. It banned a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986.

This is fact so despite the excuses you might hear people make for Reagan he was a gun grabber.








These gun grabbers have been with us for a long time and they were hidden in some supposedly gun owner friendly places.They live and breathe in the Democrat and Republican party leadership. One of the reasons after all my voting years as a Republican, I will no longer support them at the national level, and very few at state and local elections.

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"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. … NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2013, 05:05:22 AM »
Instead of blaming past presidents, there is not much you can do about what happend yesterday.
Gun rightsre being attacked today and we want to focus on 1934,1968, 1986 etc. This latest grab is not about safety it is about population control. The government realizes there is a growing concern of honest hard working folks who are getting tired of paying for every ridiculous welfare program that comes along. The government is trying to eleminate your freedoms by playing on fear. Instead of saying no, I am not afraid and value my freedom as RIGHT, you want to throw blame around. You want someone to make you feel safe andten gripe about what you lost.
 
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2013, 05:43:04 AM »
Reagan is dead. While dead men are able to vote democrat, they are not physically able to take our guns away. In his current state of being dead, Reagan is unable to take our guns away at this time.
 
Romney is not currently holding elected office. He is unable to take our guns away at this time.
 
Bush I is not currently holding elected office. He is unable to take our guns away at this time.
 
Bush II is not currently holding elected office. He is unable to take our guns away at this time.
 
Der Fuhrer, our lord and saviour, the liberal messiah, Barack Hussein Obama is currently holding office, and he is currently and actively trying to take our guns away despite the numerous assurances  from not only him, but many Obama supporting gun owners here on this very forum that he wasn't interested in taking our guns away.
 
This argument is about the current administration's attempt at disarming us. Quit inserting the past actions dead men and men who are no longer eligible to hold office, or men who were not elected into this argument. What is happening now rests squarely on the shoulders of one Barack Hussein Obama and his hate filled minions and not a dead Ronald Reagan, or a half dead George Herbert Walker Bush, or a term limited out George W Bush, or a Mitt Romney who wasnt elected.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2013, 07:35:28 AM »
Gun grabbers, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Hussein Obama, Ron Paul.
Seems like they all did it up front, except that last one.  he tried to sneak it in under the radar.
feinstein and obama want your "assualt" rifles.  Paul wants them all, plus ammunition.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2013, 06:35:25 PM »
Reagan might be dead but the hypocrisy of those who make excuses for Reagan's gun grab sure isn't.

A gun grabber is a gun grabber, it doesn't matter if they have a "D" or an "R" next to their name. We should always be critical of those who would erode our 2nd Amendment rights. Obama and Reagan are in the same category on this issue. Acting like only Democrats are against the 2nd is why we are in this position today. Looking the other way and making excuses when a Republican does a gun grab will only continue to erode our 2nd Amendment rights.

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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2013, 06:56:40 PM »
Reagan might be dead but the hypocrisy of those who make excuses for Reagan's gun grab sure isn't.

A gun grabber is a gun grabber, it doesn't matter if they have a "D" or an "R" next to their name. We should always be critical of those who would erode our 2nd Amendment rights. Obama and Reagan are in the same category on this issue. Acting like only Democrats are against the 2nd is why we are in this position today. Looking the other way and making excuses when a Republican does a gun grab will only continue to erode our 2nd Amendment rights.
Blaming Regan for the 1986 gun act is like blameing Bush 41 for the tax increase.
The Democrats in both cases had a super majority in congress and could over ride a VETO.  When the vote is already a super majority you may as well sign the bill.
Now I agree that you are right that we have gun grabbers on both sides of the aisle.  and we have some that want to keep uphold the 2nd amendment.  Unfortunalty currently the Democrat whip will cut your campaign contribution from the party if you don not vote the party line.  So a conservitive Democrat (blue dogs) will vote against their values if they are up for an ellection.

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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2013, 04:50:28 AM »
The only other thing I can say about it that hasn't already been stated is those that want to continue to blame the past for our problems are still free to do so while the rest of us will try and do something about the current ones trying to rid us of our US CONSTITUIONAL RIGHTS.
Seems to be about the same way it was recorded in history back around 1776 or so.
A few do the work while the rest whine and complain about the way they are going about it!!!
This is no different than any other organisation I have ever been involved with, be it the rodeo circut, drag racing, tractor pulling, little league baseball, high school baseball or high school wrestling.
It has always been the few verses the rest!
Like I have stated and explained on here in the past that I was lucky enough to not have to take my senior trip and fight for my country, THANK YOU LORD!
I would have gone but I wasn't looking forward to it so I guess it may be time for me to repay my debt.
I know that many of you have already paid that price and I thank you for your service.
Many on here have proven that they can TALK THE TALK but when you get down to it WILL YOU WALK THE WALK?

 
 
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2013, 05:04:47 AM »
IG, LT,  good posts.  we need to work together to stop this mess...  I hope we can hold out till november 2014.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2013, 05:15:53 AM »
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Reagan might be dead but the hypocrisy of those who make excuses for Reagan's gun grab sure isn't.

A gun grabber is a gun grabber, it doesn't matter if they have a &quot;D&quot; or an &quot;R&quot; next to their name. We should always be critical of those who would erode our 2nd Amendment rights. Obama and Reagan are in the same category on this issue. Acting like only Democrats are against the 2nd is why we are in this position today. Looking the other way and making excuses when a Republican does a gun grab will only continue to erode our 2nd Amendment rights.
Reagan was far far far from perfect but he was the best president of my lifetime.  Would you rather have Reagan or Obama as your leader right now? Arguing about what a dead man did to disarm us 25 years ago while a live man is actively trying to disarm us in the present is preposterous. What Reagan did was wrong but he was a much better leader than the intellectual midget running the show now.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2013, 06:08:47 AM »
Something I keep telling my grandson who likes to complain about something that has already happened.
You can't unring that bell. All you can do is learn from it and try and prevent it in the future.
 
I've got a few liberal leaning friends who have changed the way they look at stuff now. One who a very vocal liberal has completely jumped ship and has now become a hardcore conservative.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 06:28:16 AM »
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Reagan might be dead but the hypocrisy of those who make excuses for Reagan's gun grab sure isn't.

A gun grabber is a gun grabber, it doesn't matter if they have a &quot;D&quot; or an &quot;R&quot; next to their name. We should always be critical of those who would erode our 2nd Amendment rights. Obama and Reagan are in the same category on this issue. Acting like only Democrats are against the 2nd is why we are in this position today. Looking the other way and making excuses when a Republican does a gun grab will only continue to erode our 2nd Amendment rights.
Reagan was far far far from perfect but he was the best president of my lifetime.  Would you rather have Reagan or Obama as your leader right now? Arguing about what a dead man did to disarm us 25 years ago while a live man is actively trying to disarm us in the present is preposterous. What Reagan did was wrong but he was a much better leader than the intellectual midget running the show now.
Yeah, Reagan was my favorite too.  and now I think we can defeat our current communist if we send e-mails and letters and make phone calls.  hussein is dangerous, but if he appoints two supremes, nothing will stop him but a revolution.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 07:36:50 AM »
I agree with you guys that Reagan was the best president in my lifetime. Of course he was better than the Marxist we have now. That being said my point was that we can't make excuses for any gun grabbers if we are to be intellectually honest with ourselves. Reagan was a gun grabber, we shouldn't make excuses for that just because we liked him. Otherwise we become just like the left who criticized Bush for doing certain things but are now looking the other way even though Obama is doing the exact same things.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2013, 08:04:39 AM »
I dont get it?  Is this an "I told ya so" post IG?  I mean, I may be in the dark here.  But how many people on this forum actually voted for Obama?  Do you really know, or is this post just for that?
 
That being said, I do realize now that not voting is wrong on my part.  Not becuase I would have thought it would have made a difference anyways (I still believe the elections are totally rigged).  However, I have gotten on board with the idea that there is something to be said about just voicing your opinion on a voter's card.  Kind of letting yourself and your country know where you stand even if the vote isnt going to mean anything in the big picture.  I have indeed decided to vote from this point forward for what I believe in.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2013, 08:46:09 AM »
Once again I will point out that as a whole the American people are not nearly as right winged as most here would like to believe or want. Second, they probably never will be. Most people look at a politician from many angles not simply gun rights and abortion and add up the total of what works for their beliefs of what is good for this country and apparently that's not real conservative.
The ironic thing is that many here talk about how lazy, worthless, dependent, etc. many liberals are but yet they managed to cast more votes than the conservatives. Don't tell me that the lazy non-motovated dependent suddenly got enough motivation to go out and vote, they didn't. Don't tell me the election was rigged in Obama's favor, that is nothing but a cheap copout. What is wrong with the conservatives that this could happen, maybe a bad case of tunnel vision and lack of a grasp of reality? Well that is a whole other thread.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2013, 10:12:21 AM »
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Most people look at a politician from many angles not simply gun rights and abortion and add up the total of what works for their beliefs of what is good for this country and apparently that's not real conservative.

gj, that is something I think you have exactly right.
I know that is how I do it.
You have to consider the whole picture when making a choice, not just one little part.

Now as far as the election being rigged, just wonder how they got those dead people to vote?
In some districts how did THE LIAR get more votes then the actual number of people who live there, and that's assuming that everyone that does live there voted for him.
Sounds like a little hanky-panky going on to me.
Not saying that was enough to cause a loss for Romney but it sure didn't help him any!!!
 
 
SO, good for you sir.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2013, 11:09:45 AM »
Newsflash! FactCheck, Snopes, and Politifact all agree that the famous "dead voters counted for Obama" theory is completely FALSE. ACORN was disbanded over three years ago, too, so the rightys just have to admit it: they lost, fair and square, despite trying to cheat, themselves. It's just another email hoax brought to you by FauxNews and the rabid right.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2013, 11:15:48 AM »

 
That being said, I do realize now that not voting is wrong on my part.    I have indeed decided to vote from this point forward for what I believe in.
That's what IG was looking for I think.  I've lost my presidential vote both primary and general elections the last two times.  but we can't give up.  welcome back my friend.
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Re: Lefties, here's your chance..
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2013, 11:49:59 AM »
Well, I never doubted that The Obama administration wanted at least some sort of gun control long before Sandy Hook.  The problem was, I was pretty sure based on Romney's past actions and other stuff, that I was pretty sure he would fold on the issue too if it arised.
 
I was under the impression before the current gun scare that most of America was made up of fat, lazy, crooked people that wanted a hand out and was all too divulged in their Ipods and xboxs.  I thought that pretty much all cops were power hungry yes men.  I thought that the only consrrvatives left were the older ultras and they are on their way out the door anyways.  No disprespect intended to the older group here.  I just thought I would wait until it all collapsed, then react to it.
 
But, I see now that my pessimism got the best of me and kind of blinded me a little. The recent statement by ranking LEO officials concerning gun control freaking slapped me across the sleeping face.  The incredible amount of guns and ammo sales woke me up to the realization that there are still alot of folks (and folks my age and even younger) that do care about more than just the new special at Burger King and what the movie stars are wearing.
 
I must remember that just because I am way behind enemy lines (living in NW Indiana), there is not a whole world of regular, common sense people living out there that seem to still believe in the things I believe in.  The fact that I am so far into the "bad territory" means that it is even more important to voice my wants and needs through voting.  I saw in recent law changes in NY, that if the leeches get their way, they will suck you dry of your freedoms.  I may not be an ultcon, but by no means am I or have ever been OK with taking care of the lazy and corrupt with the money that I earn. And then having those same scum aid in taking away my freedoms.
 
I am aware that the first fight is not with a gun or fists, it's through politics.  Once politics fail, then in my book, diplomacy will fail. The next phase will then to get a little more extreme.  And from the looks of it, thre will be FAR more on that same sheet of music than I originally thought.
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