Why no Bigfoot skeletal remains/DNA/roadkill?

[rosewood]

Anyone else seeing a pattern ? Seems those who spend the least time in the woods see the most BF .
I predator hunt at night and have seen plenty of strange things and heard even more but nothing that would make me think BF. You haven't lived until an Owl decides he wants you for dinner while you are calling.

You have a good point.  Many of the eyewitnesses are not hunters.  There are a few, but a lot claim to have seen them in their backyard, along the highway or while camping.  I have only heard a few guys claiming to have seen one from the deer stand (and I think the bigfooters debunct their stories).  That is where you should see them the most since you are stealthy and quiet.  If you can hide from the deer, surely the bigfoot would't know you are there.  I mean I might get bashed for it, but if one walks out while I am hunting, it is going down.  Why wouldn't a hunter shoot one if it came out while hunting?  Don't say cause it ain't in season, cause I know a lot of folks that shoot anything that moves while hunting, legal or not.

On the other note, I have spent a lot of time in the woods and many days, the only animals I saw were birds and squirrels.  I know we have coyotes, bob cats, foxes and yet I have never seen one outside of the game cameras (on our current lease).  And only a photo or two of that.  I also hunt hogs at night with night vision and all I have ever seen then is hogs, deer, racoons, and possums.  Have yet to see a snake from a deer stand either and I know they are around, of course, they are much easier to hide.

Just some talking points.

[mmt7714]

You are not going to get bashed by me for stating you would drop the hammer on bigfoot. I would do the same thing and it would be one really expensive full body mount from the taxidermist. There are a lot of animals in the woods down here that we know exist, but that you rarely see. We have black bears here, but I have never seen one. That is a non issue though, because we already know they exist. Same with bobcats, snakes, coyotes, etc... The thing about bigfoot believers is they talk about the animal as if it is real, known to science, and can be or has been studied extensivley. Non of which is true. There is no such thing as an expert on bigfoot. Although some claim to be, like that idiot Matt Moneymaker on finding bigfoot. It is impossible to be an expert on something that has not been proven to exist. Thats like saying I am an expert on vampires because I read a book about them one time.
I love the psuedo science of cryptozoology. It is interesting and fun to think these things are out there and undiscovered. New animals, warewolves, etc.. This doesn't mean they exist, although it is fun to believe they could.
Mike

[Oldshooter]

I have it on good authority that big feet are

extra dimensional beings of some sort.

which may explain the shortage of skeletal remains/DNA/roadkill. he said while laughing and spitting coffee. 

[SHOOTALL]

I would not shoot one unless in self defense. I would not eat it and it isn't a pest really. So why kill it ?

[corbanzo]

Proof.

[rosewood]

I would not shoot one unless in self defense. I would not eat it and it isn't a pest really. So why kill it ?

Yep proof and I bet u could get it mounted for free.  Of course the bad thing is some folks might attack u and threaten physical harm for killing it.

[ultramag44]

ROSEWOOD Said: "Yep proof and I bet u could get it mounted for free.  Of course the bad thing is some folks might attack u and threaten physical harm for killing it."
 

ROSEWOOD, you nailed it!  A person killing one may very well end up in jail too.  The animals belong to the state.  Kill it and the burden of "proof" the person "shot it in self defense!" may be very hard to support.  As the sheriff or conservation officer will say to the guy, "Tell it to the judge Sparky!"

There is a big difference between "believing" and "knowing".

Belief is existencial, like having faith in something you can't see or touch.  Knowledge is from hard-copy experience.

I KNOW because I have seen.  I know what I saw, in clear daylight.  I have been interviewed by 2 examiners.  The interview was 1.5 hours.  These guys can smell a hoaxer a mile away.   
Everything I stated in my previous post has been proven by science,  The scientitict documentation is out there about dermal ridges & sweat pores.  No, it cannot be faked.  the detail is too painstaking.  Yes, there is a guy who made a rubber cast of his own foot, soaked it in karosene until it swelled, then made a cast from a cast and kept doing it until he had 17 inch prints.  Then he casr that in plaster.  It was de-bunked right away.   The ridges went the wrong way, the arch was present (BF is flat-footed), the heal was too narrow, the fat pad/coushion was too small and misplaced.  All he had was a large, human foot cast.    Fakes can be easily discounted, like the carved, wooden feet too.

The hair DNA clasisfication of "unknown primate" was done by a European lab.  The issue w/ DNA is they need a control sample already on file.  Science wants a body /carcass on the slab before they file DNA in the classification files.

The scientitict documentation is out there about dermal ridges, DNA & sweat pores.  But you may not find it just sitting in front of a keyboard.  You will have to dig a bit deeper. 
Now, some arm-chair blogger say the evidence is "Fake!" or contaminated, etc.  They have their theories and are welcome to them.  Those of us who have seen, we KNOW.

[Victor3]

Anyone else seeing a pattern ? Seems those who spend the least time in the woods see the most BF .
I predator hunt at night and have seen plenty of strange things and heard even more but nothing that would make me think BF. You haven't lived until an Owl decides he wants you for dinner while you are calling.

 You aint kidding. I have an image of a barn owl burned into my memory from when I flashed a light on him about ten feet away. I don't know which one of us was more startled. 

[pastorp]

The real problem is you can't shoot/kill something that is not flesh & blood.  things are not always as they seem. 

Regards,

[cowboy66]

I've said this before and think it got deleted. Sounds like ol swampys been smoking something he found in the swamp.

[SHOOTALL]

I would not shoot one unless in self defense. I would not eat it and it isn't a pest really. So why kill it ?

Yep proof and I bet u could get it mounted for free.  Of course the bad thing is some folks might attack u and threaten physical harm for killing it.

 
Besides it would be hard to shoot something that seems to not exist. Hey maybe they are the missing link ..............

[mmt7714]

ROSEWOOD Said: "Yep proof and I bet u could get it mounted for free.  Of course the bad thing is some folks might attack u and threaten physical harm for killing it."
 

ROSEWOOD, you nailed it!  A person killing one may very well end up in jail too.  The animals belong to the state.  Kill it and the burden of "proof" the person "shot it in self defense!" may be very hard to support.  As the sheriff or conservation officer will say to the guy, "Tell it to the judge Sparky!"

There is a big difference between "believing" and "knowing".

Belief is existencial, like having faith in something you can't see or touch.  Knowledge is from hard-copy experience.

I KNOW because I have seen.  I know what I saw, in clear daylight.  I have been interviewed by 2 examiners.  The interview was 1.5 hours.  These guys can smell a hoaxer a mile away.   
Everything I stated in my previous post has been proven by science,  The scientitict documentation is out there about dermal ridges & sweat pores.  No, it cannot be faked.  the detail is too painstaking.  Yes, there is a guy who made a rubber cast of his own foot, soaked it in karosene until it swelled, then made a cast from a cast and kept doing it until he had 17 inch prints.  Then he casr that in plaster.  It was de-bunked right away.   The ridges went the wrong way, the arch was present (BF is flat-footed), the heal was too narrow, the fat pad/coushion was too small and misplaced.  All he had was a large, human foot cast.    Fakes can be easily discounted, like the carved, wooden feet too.

The hair DNA clasisfication of "unknown primate" was done by a European lab.  The issue w/ DNA is they need a control sample already on file.  Science wants a body /carcass on the slab before they file DNA in the classification files.

The scientitict documentation is out there about dermal ridges, DNA & sweat pores.  But you may not find it just sitting in front of a keyboard.  You will have to dig a bit deeper. 
Now, some arm-chair blogger say the evidence is "Fake!" or contaminated, etc.  They have their theories and are welcome to them.  Those of us who have seen, we KNOW.

Everything in your previous post has not been proven by science. Just because you can google a website that says it is true doesn't mean I can' t find 10 more that say its false. If all of what you say has been " proven by science" then the scientific community would be hard pressed not to come right out and say that there is a 8ft tall monkey man running around on every continent in the world. They have not done that or even come close. Now it may have been proven by the science of cryptozoology, but that doesn't mean anything because cryptozoology is not a real science. It is a fantasy science that was basically just made up. Doesn't mean its not fun, but it is fantasy science. Now, if you would like anyone on here to believe anything you say, seeing as I have already refuted it all, then how about posting some references. Real references, not something from bfro.
Mike

[ultramag44]

mmt7714,

When I had my sighting in 1971, there was no BFRO.

You seem to have (for whatever reason) made up your mind BF doesn't exist.  Cool!  You don't KNOW (because you haven't seen) and you don't BELIEVE, again, that's fine.

I usually don't name sources, because, I prefer others to do their own research.  But since you've asked, I'll name 2 sources (there are plenty of others).  These are hard-copy books.  Spend some of your $$ and get them.  These will give you some good, scientific research.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/182-7294566-1086029?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-765-31216-6

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/182-7294566-1086029?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-765-31216-6#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0888395736&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A0888395736

BTW, Dr. Jane Goodall, expert primatologist, ethologist, anthropologist, NOT a cyptrozoolgist, accepts that BF exists.  Dr Goodall has such a powerhouse reputation, she can afford to say exactly what she believes after examination of evidence.  There are scientists/researchers/academics out there however who have examined evidence and quickly "clamed up" .  They cannot afford to go "on the record". They have research grants, academic chairs, etc, they are protecting.  No, I won't give you names.  I have given 2 good places to begin research.
 
Buy the books, read them and then you weigh the evidence.  Good luck, and we used to say, be careful, you just may learn something! 

SIDEBAR: About the Animal Planet TV show.  Some guys only know about the BFRO from TV and then they looked around the site for 5 minutes.  The BFRO are serious about what they do. It's Animal Planet's #1 rated show. However it is a TV show,  so the episodes also have to have entertainment value, just a reality of TV production.   The cast doesn't get editing rights to the episodes. They spend a week to sometimes 10 days recording in an area.  The editors have to boil that down to aproximetly 42 minutes per episode. 
 

[Swampman]

More sightings....
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2183079361001/photo-sparks-bigfoot-craze-in-houston-area/?playlist_id=930909747001&intcmp=obnetwork
 

[mmt7714]

mmt7714,

When I had my sighting in 1971, there was no BFRO.

You seem to have (for whatever reason) made up your mind BF doesn't exist.  Cool!  You don't KNOW (because you haven't seen) and you don't BELIEVE, again, that's fine.

I usually don't name sources, because, I prefer others to do their own research.  But since you've asked, I'll name 2 sources (there are plenty of others).  These are hard-copy books.  Spend some of your $$ and get them.  These will give you some good, scientific research.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/182-7294566-1086029?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-765-31216-6

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/182-7294566-1086029?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-765-31216-6#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0888395736&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A0888395736

BTW, Dr. Jane Goodall, expert primatologist, ethologist, anthropologist, NOT a cyptrozoolgist, accepts that BF exists.  Dr Goodall has such a powerhouse reputation, she can afford to say exactly what she believes after examination of evidence.  There are scientists/researchers/academics out there however who have examined evidence and quickly "clamed up" .  They cannot afford to go "on the record". They have research grants, academic chairs, etc, they are protecting.  No, I won't give you names.  I have given 2 good places to begin research.
 
Buy the books, read them and then you weigh the evidence.  Good luck, and we used to say, be careful, you just may learn something! 

SIDEBAR: About the Animal Planet TV show.  Some guys only know about the BFRO from TV and then they looked around the site for 5 minutes.  The BFRO are serious about what they do. It's Animal Planet's #1 rated show. However it is a TV show,  so the episodes also have to have entertainment value, just a reality of TV production.   The cast doesn't get editing rights to the episodes. They spend a week to sometimes 10 days recording in an area.  The editors have to boil that down to aproximetly 42 minutes per episode.

You are correct in the assumption that I do not believe in bigfoot. I used to be open to the idea, but after many years I now do not believe it to be true. Why do I not believe in it? Too many reasons to list, but lets just say complete and total lack of evidence.
Now, I don't have a problem with people that do believe. That is fine as everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, but it is up to the believer to prove the existence of bigfoot, not the skeptic to prove the non existence. As of now, the believer/believers have not done that. Jane Goodall can't seem to really make up her mind what she believes. At one point she says they do exist, then again says she doesn't know, then again says she doesn't know, but really hopes they do. She also states that the reason she is open to their existance is because of native american people she has talked to. That is maybe the worst excuse for the existance of a creature I can think of.
As far as your books go, a book is only as good as their author/authors. Jeff Meldrum, who I actually respect in the field, and George Schaller wrote the first book. George Schaller himself is on record as saying that no proof exists to prove bigfoot is real. and that the question to the existance is still open. The other book is written by several authors. Chris Murphy is one. I consider him irrelevant because he believes the patterson film to be the number 1 piece of evidence to prove bigfoots existance. A film that many many people believe to be a hoax, with far better evidence that it is, than evidence that it is a real bigfoot. John Green is another. This is the same John Green that believed Albert Ostman and his story about being kidnapped by a bigfoot and taken back to their camp to live with them for a week, only to escape after getting the male to eat a can of snuff. Really?
So, as you see, a lot of the so called experts on bigfoot that believers tend to drool over are not really that relevant to the belief in bigfoot. I also knew about the bfro many years before "Finding Bigfoot". I find it even more ridiculous now than before. Anything Matt Moneymaker is a part of is going to be ridiculous. He is a hoax himself. The team on that show have already been caught faking evidence for the tv show. Now how respectable of a researcher is that.
Bottom line is that 40 years ago, I would be more apt to believe in bigfoot then now. Technology today is to good for a giant ape to evade it. Trail cams are doing amazing things as well as thermal imagers and the such. See, its a double edged sword to try and make everyone believe that their are thousands of bigfoots running around every state in the nation. If so then the odds of capturing one on film would be greatly increased, but still nobody can do it. Same thing with the scientists. If a respected scientist, say Meldrum, believes in bigfoot, then the bigfoot world loves it. It brings something reputable to their click, but if you look at it from the other side it really does more damage. If a reputable, successful scientist like him can't find one, or any evidence of one that is tangible, well that just makes it even more unlikely that they are real.
Mike

[rosewood]

Well, I vow to do my part.  If I ever see one while hunting, I will do my part to science and put it down.  That will end this debate.

As for legality.  Since it isn't believed by science or the government to exist, it isn't an endangered species.  It isn't a game animal nor fur bearer.  That would put it falling in the non-game  animal category if it does exist.  In Georgia, there is no closed season on non-game animals that are not protected.  So other than the attacks from the left wing animal lovers, I should be ok not to mention, I get all kinds of tv time, my name in the history books, shoot, I would probably get to give it its official scientific name.  I would probably get a book deal and maybe even a movie.  I would never have to work again.  Ahh, I love daydreaming. 

[Zulu]

Well, I vow to do my part.  If I ever see one while hunting, I will do my part to science and put it down.  That will end this debate.

As for legality.  Since it isn't believed by science or the government to exist, it isn't an endangered species.  It isn't a game animal nor fur bearer.  That would put it falling in the non-game  animal category if it does exist.  In Georgia, there is no closed season on non-game animals that are not protected.  So other than the attacks from the left wing animal lovers, I should be ok not to mention, I get all kinds of tv time, my name in the history books, shoot, I would probably get to give it its official scientific name.  I would probably get a book deal and maybe even a movie.  I would never have to work again.  Ahh, I love daydreaming. 

Be careful, It might take a silver bullet.

[AtlLaw]

It isn't a game animal nor fur bearer.  That would put it falling in the non-game animal category if it does exist.  In Georgia, there is no closed season on non-game animals that are not protected.

Now, I'd never tell someone they was wrong...    But I would tell them that that's now how I read the law.   
 
"Protected Species
It is unlawful to take nongame wildlife except fiddler crabs, coyotes, armadillos, groundhogs, beavers, starlings, English sparrows, pigeons, and venomous snakes. Additionally, rats, mice, frogs, spring lizards, freshwater crayfish, freshwater turtles, and freshwater mussels may be taken except for species on Georgia’s Protected Species List. The taking of freshwater mussels requires a Fishing License or Commercial Fishing License. For more information on the commercial taking of freshwater mussels, consult your local state fisheries office or visit gofishgeorgia.com."
 
Of course, one would have to get the legal definition (in Their state) of "wildlife."
 
"State and federal laws protect nearly all wildlife. These laws regulate which species can be harassed, harvested, trapped, hunted or harmed. Wildlife are generally defined as free-ranging, terrestrial vertebrates. This usually includes snakes, lizards, frogs and toads, and all wild mammals. This definition excludes feral animals like cats. States usually treat fish separately. There are exceptions, and you should learn the laws if you work with nuisance wildlife. These laws can be found on the Web site of the state agency responsible for wildlife protection. In Georgia, that agency is the Wildlife Resources Division (WRD) of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources (DNR)."
 
Then again, American Indians were once considered "wild animals" by some!  Maybe Bigfoot is a pre Native American, American Native and not a wild animal at all!  Heck!  The dude got sense enough to stay out of the way of "civilized" man!  That's an eloquent sign of intelligence to me!   
 

I would probably get to give it its official scientific name.

Lessee here... Bigfootius Rosewoodious?   

[SHOOTALL]

Well, I vow to do my part.  If I ever see one while hunting, I will do my part to science and put it down.  That will end this debate.

As for legality.  Since it isn't believed by science or the government to exist, it isn't an endangered species.  It isn't a game animal nor fur bearer.  That would put it falling in the non-game  animal category if it does exist.  In Georgia, there is no closed season on non-game animals that are not protected.  So other than the attacks from the left wing animal lovers, I should be ok not to mention, I get all kinds of tv time, my name in the history books, shoot, I would probably get to give it its official scientific name.  I would probably get a book deal and maybe even a movie.  I would never have to work again.  Ahh, I love daydreaming. 

 That sounds good ! but just think you may go to JAIL for killing the offspring of a old hippy !   

[rosewood]

Yep, we needed to break the tension on this thread.  That worked.   

[pastorp]

Of course if you shoot it and it just ignores you and goes about its business unaffected you will know its not of this world like I've been telling ya. 

If a riff opens and it disappears then you'll know ole swampy is right. 

If it tears you limb from limb then you'll know you made a big mistake. And you is in a heap o trouble, boy. 

Regards,

[rosewood]

PastorP, I do wonder one thing, are there any blood bought Christians out there that have seen one?  If it is truely a demonic spirit as some believe, a Christian might never see one.  Just a thought.  Same for aliens and ghost.

[Swampman]

I've never said they were demons but Christians are not exempt from seeing extra-dimensonal beings.

[pastorp]

No rosewood I've never seen a bigfoot. But I have seen other demonic manifestations. Things like that have not been very common in the Bible Belt states but there are some strongholds of demonic activity,overseas and in areas of great darkness here in the USA like some reservations or along the Mexican border.

[mmt7714]

Something tells me swampman may be an extra-dimensional being. That would explain a lot.
Mike

[Oldshooter]

 

[pastorp]

You know mmt7714 you could be right. 

Regards all,

[Casull]

No rosewood I've never seen a bigfoot. But I have seen other demonic manifestations. Things like that have not been very common in the Bible Belt states but there are some strongholds of demonic activity,overseas and in areas of great darkness here in the USA like some reservations or along the Mexican border.

         Pastorp, I can only speak for myself, but I would be very interested in hearing more about these manifestations, if you're of a mind to elaborate here, or in a new thread.

[Swampman]

Something tells me swampman may be an extra-dimensional being. That would explain a lot.
Mike

In a way I am....I came from God, and I go to God.

[shaggybull]

I have a friend that is an avid Bigfoot person she is a member of the BFRO their organization investigates sightings. Most turn out to be hogwash.  DNA samples they have found test out as unknown animal.