Author Topic: DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them ‘personal defense weapons’ (Read 1038 times)

LONGTOM · « **on:** January 30, 2013, 06:47:46 AM »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons.html[/font][/font][/size]

Check this out.
Fairly long read but may open some members eyes.

LONGTOM

Guy Pike · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2013, 07:15:35 AM »

it won't open anyone's eyes who is determined not to see.

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2013, 07:40:04 AM »

Homeland Defense is an agency that protects us here at home against foreign enemies. Have we forgotten 9-11? That's what created the need for Homeland Defense. I'd hate to think they didn't have any guns and plenty of ammo. Besides, if there was a consipiracy afoot, neither the bid nor the purchase would be so easily seen.
Police here in VA have fully auto rifles, a sidearm, and a shotgun. They have what they need to shoot at bad guys here in the U.S.
Disclaimer: I didn't say anything about any individual. That was the old me.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2013, 07:43:29 AM »

Maybe?
Who really knows about our gov anymore!

LONGTOM

D Fischer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »

Even if they are, what good will it do them unless they can find 7000 people willing to shot on fellow american's and have the knowledge to operate a firearm.

I somehow am getting the feeling that there is such an up roar over this now that the representatives will have to do something to put a stop to it. I don't have much faith in them but i just have a feeling. By the way, there is no record outside my home of what I have for guns. Gonna stay that way!

coyotejoe · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:24:15 PM »

Well it's just more of the old "do as I say, not as I do" Hipocracy we see all over the gun contol issue. On the one hand they say "those semi auto "assault rifles" are only good for mowing people down in mass" and yet they are permitted for police and federal law enforcement. Why is that? Cops don't ever have call to be "mowing people down in mass", do they? Cops carry weapons not to protect the public but to protect themselves. If a highly trained police officer feels he needs an "assault rifle" to adequately defend himself then surely any citizen needs one as well. They ask "why do I need an assault rifle?"Let them provide the answer, "for the same reason you do."

Anna · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:54:27 PM »

This country has more federal and police agency's or departments than Carter has liver pills .

cjclemens · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:19:48 PM »

Awesome...I wish I could have my own squad of brownshirts, too!

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:42:39 PM »

Seems like all the ducks are getting in a row. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:22:51 AM »

Ain't that sumpin'!! When Janet Napolitano buys 7000 full-auto combat rifles, they are called "defense" weapons... but when you or I buy a semi-auto AR-15... it suddenly becomes an "assault" rifle..

Perhaps some lefties were "born yesterday" and believe that crap..but most aren't fooled by the strutting Hitler wannabe..

Brett · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:38:48 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 31, 2013, 01:22:51 AM

Ain't that sumpin'!! When Janet Napolitano buys 7000 full-auto combat rifles, they are called "defense" weapons... but when you or I buy a semi-auto AR-15... it suddenly becomes an "assault" rifle..

This was my first reaction as well.

tobster · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2013, 02:59:59 AM »

If they ban "assult" weapons, what's to prevent a person from paying the stamp tax and buying a full auto? (other than cost)

m-g Willy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:31:06 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 31, 2013, 01:22:51 AM

Ain't that sumpin'!! When Janet Napolitano buys 7000 full-auto combat rifles, they are called "defense" weapons... but when you or I buy a semi-auto AR-15... it suddenly becomes an "assault" rifle..
Perhaps some lefties were "born yesterday" and believe that crap..but most aren't fooled by the strutting Hitler wannabe..

There's an idea,,, lets outlaw all those semi auto assault rifles.
Then we can just use those full auto defence weapons instead.

powderman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2013, 06:47:13 AM »

Homeland defense is a useless but dangerous agency that should be dissolved. WE don't need more feds sticking their noses in States business. Local police, State police, State natl guard, we don't needs obummers feds poking around. . POWDERMAN.

rickt300 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2013, 06:54:21 AM »

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on January 30, 2013, 07:40:04 AM

Homeland Defense is an agency that protects us here at home against foreign enemies. Have we forgotten 9-11? That's what created the need for Homeland Defense. I'd hate to think they didn't have any guns and plenty of ammo. Besides, if there was a consipiracy afoot, neither the bid nor the purchase would be so easily seen.
Police here in VA have fully auto rifles, a sidearm, and a shotgun. They have what they need to shoot at bad guys here in the U.S.
Disclaimer: I didn't say anything about any individual. That was the old me.

Just how many instances can you think up that would justify the use of 7000 full auto rifles against citizens of the U.S.? Do you really trust Obama's government? Have you seen any reason that DHS might need that many assault rifles or the millions of dollars worth of ammunition they are stockpiling? I know you support the left and that you will make no effort to answer the questions but they have to be asked.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2013, 07:24:45 AM »

RICK. Good post Sir. Hussein is clearly up to no good. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2013, 10:11:12 AM »

I thought that DHS was solely to coordinate various law enforcement and emergency agencies.
I didn't realize that they had built an army. aren't they civilians??

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2013, 11:59:36 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on January 31, 2013, 10:11:12 AM

I thought that DHS was solely to coordinate various law enforcement and emergency agencies.
I didn't realize that they had built an army. aren't they civilians??

YEP, husseins civilians. POWDERMAN.

Swift One · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:14:33 PM »

I did some math based on the information I have seen on the internet:

What I found on the internet that the DHS has:

2.6 Billion rounds of ammo
7K AR-15s
2717 MRAPs (those heavily armored vehicles with DHS painted on them we saw on the internet last year)

Lets talk about the 2.6 billion rounds of ammo first. lets assume it's all 5.56. My armory at work has 37K of 5.56 ammo in it. All that ammo takes up a space of the floor area of a small bathroom without a shower/tub. and about 2ft high. I consider 37K alot of ammo. 2.6 billion rounds is 70,270 times the size of that. That by itself is terrifying.

7K AR15s could equip 218/ 32 man plattoons.

MRAP armor vehicle- this is a 37,000 pound beast that is able to withstand small arms fire, IEDs, and rocket attacks. The DHS ones I saw in the picks came equipped with gun ports in the windows, and heavy machine gun mounts on the roof.

30 major US cities- I googled "How many major US cities in the US" and I got a continuous number of 30 from different sites. I am sure there is more, but lets just use the number 30. Based on the number of MRAPs and AR15 equipped platoons I listed above, you could deploy just over 7 platoons and 90 MRAPs in 30 major cities in one big strike. With more than enough ammo to supply those evil little assault weapons (equipped with selective fire).

Now I am not really one for consiracy theories and jumping to conclusions, but my segeant and me today had a VERY hard time coming up with some realistic and rational reasons as to why an organization that was desinged to protect the American people needs this kind of firepower. And these are just the things that I could find on the internet. What other stuff do they have?

Martial law scenario for an honest to god non communist reason is supposed to be conducted by the national guard and they have vehicles and equipment that can handle that.

Litmus test scenario- lets say almost all of our military is not willing to fire on american civs for unconstitutional reasons. Who then may I ask is Obama getting to drive these MRAPs and manning these weapons?

Like I said, I am really not all that big on conspiracy theorys, but you just cannot help but to question what they are prepping for and where average joe fits into that equation.

JonnyReb · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:26:59 PM »

DhS will be used for door to door collections in the next few years. J

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:33:44 PM »

All part of husseins plan to destroy us, and he has help right here at GBs. I truly believe some here are hussein plants and spies. POWDERMAN.

two-blocked · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:40:06 PM »

To clarify a few things:
The guns have not been purchased...........yet

The prisonplanet article insinuates that breinbart uncovered a secret operation. If you follow the links in the article it's the government requesting bids to supply up to 7,000 rifles over a six year period on an IDIQ contract. The request was openly posted on the fed biz site
https://www.fbo.gov/?id=1be5e1d8f3fda9b850cc3ba58393bcd3

I can't find any report that a contract has been awarded or that any rifles have been delivered.

JonnyReb · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2013, 12:33:50 AM »

Quote from: powderman on January 31, 2013, 05:33:44 PM

All part of husseins plan to destroy us, and he has help right here at GBs. I truly believe some here are hussein plants and spies. POWDERMAN.

No other reason for them to be here I agree. Looks like the "plant and spy" division didn't have many applicants though, guess they just hire anyone now

powderman · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2013, 04:08:47 AM »

SWIFT ONE. Do you happen to have a link to the info you posted, I'd like to read a bit more about what they actually have. POWDERMAN.

Swift One · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:00:18 AM »

Quote from: powderman on February 01, 2013, 04:08:47 AM

SWIFT ONE. Do you happen to have a link to the info you posted, I'd like to read a bit more about what they actually have. POWDERMAN.

PM, the information that I posted was collected via google. I spent a couple of days just typing in "dhs armor", "dhs weapons", and things like that. There was no one site that I pulled from. Sorry.

Swift One · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:04:07 AM »

PM, I really doubt that we are allowed to know everything that they have or the tactics that they use. Based on the MRAPs alone, it is my opinion based on pure speculation that they have probably got some interesting toys and protocols on how to utilize those toys.

jhm · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:49:37 AM »

Well if they are ( PERSONAL DEFENCE WEAPONS ) Why is the Government paying for them?? My personal defence weapons come out of MY back pocket. Jim

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:53:18 AM »

SWIFT ONE. Thanks. POWDERMAN.