COLORADO HS recites pledge as one nation under allah.

[powderman]

Outrage as high school recites Pledge in Arabic saying 'One Nation Under Allah'  By James Nye
PUBLISHED: 17:11 EST, 30 January 2013 | UPDATED: 17:58 EST, 30 January 2013
 
Fury is brewing at Rocky Mountain High School, in Colorado, after a multicultural student group were encouraged to recite the Pledge of Allegiance over the loudspeaker in Arabic - replacing 'one nation under God' with 'one nation under Allah'.

Following Monday's pledge, Principal Tom Lopez has been inundated with complaints from outraged parents concerned that saying the Pledge in any language other than English is unpatriotic.

Standing by his controversial decision, Principal Lopez has said that despite the irate telephone calls and emails, he is not in any way or form trying to push an Islamic agenda at the Fort Collins school.
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  Rocky Mountain High School in Colorado was hit by controversy on Monday when a student group recited the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic 'These students love this country,' said Lopez to Fox News.

'They were not being un-American in trying to do this. They believed they were accentuating the meaning of the words as spoken regularly in English.'

At the school, the Pledge of Allegiance is recited once a week and on Monday, a member of the Cultural Arms Club at Rocky Mountain High School read out an Arabic version.

   
The pupils sought the permission of Principal Lopez, who previously had allowed the Pledge to be read out in French and Spanish.

However, the backlash began from students hours after the recital and has continued through the week as angry parents have waded into the controversy.

'We understand not everybody would agree with the students’ choice,' said Danielle Clark, communications director of the Poudre School District to Fox News.
  Pictured are members of the Cultural Arms Club at Rocky Mountain High School  'We’ve heard there are some who are upset.'

Clark said though, that the club has a history of reading the Pledge in different languages and some parents have emailed to say it 'was a great thing'.

And she added that the students had asked permission from the principal.

'We deferred to the students because it’s their deal,' she said to Fox News.

Students at the school rushed to the classmates defence, keen to highlight the motto of the Cultural Arms Club which seeks to 'destroy the barriers, embrace the cultures.'

'No matter what language it’s said in, pledging your allegiance to the United States is the same in every language,' student Skyler Bowden told The Coloradoan.
The issue for some parents and pupils at the school is that in an Arabic translation of the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one nation under God' is replaced with 'one nation under Allah'.
        Rocky Mountain High School Principal Tony Lopez has been stunned by the level of vitriol directed at him and the students for the Arabic pledge
  'Obviously in Arabic, you would use the word Allah, but Christian Arabs would use the word Allah,' said Ibrahim Hooper, of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

'It’s not necessarily specific to Islam and Muslims.'

Principal Lopez has borne the brunt of the criticism of the decision to allow the recital - and some have gone as far as to label him as a traitor.

'They claim they are outraged that this is blaspheming a real major tenet of our patriotism – which in their mind the Pledge of Allegiance is only in English,' said Lopez.

Other parents have accused him of 'pushing a Muslim Brotherhood agenda - to push Islam into the school.'
  Solemn Duty: Young students recite the Pledge of Allegiance at a school in America 'How on earth is it un-American to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in another language,' said Hooper to Fox News.

'It doesn’t make sense unless the people complaining are anti-Muslim or anti-middle eastern bigots.'

Indeed, the embattled head is becoming wary at the number of complaints and level of abuse he has received.

'I’ve been shocked with prejudicial statements that have been made,' said Lopez.

'I’ve been shocked with the lack of seeking understanding. There’s definitely suspicion and fear expressed in these people’s minds. There’s some hate.'

Lopez says the school is a place of inclusion where one message can be communicated in many different ways.

'When they pledge allegiance to United States, that's exactly what they're saying,' Lopez said. 'They're just using another language as their vehicle,' he said.
 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270944/Rocky-Mountain-High-School-Outrage-high-school-recites-Pledge-Arabic-saying-One-Nation-Under-Allah.html#ixzz2JZ9RGlmg

[johnpaulh]

This is a F*&^$ing disgrace and makes me physically ill.  It is bad enough our tolerance of these rectal orifices allows them to burn a flag and desecrate the blood of heroes, but to defile the oath to that flag as well.....

Dear God, let the end come soon.

[ousooners1baby]

I am just putting in my 2 cents here, but, would it be any different if they used Yaweh?  I mean it's just another word in another language with the same meaning.  Aren't we being a little sensitive?

[guzzijohn]

Quote from ousooners1baby:
" Aren't we being a little sensitive?"


That is the understatement of the week.
GuzziJohn

[ousooners1baby]

Hey now.  I am a freaking Republican!   Don't you go agreeing with me.

[jhm]

     Lopez LOOKS like Barny Frank might be his brother and probably thinks in the same direction.  Jim

[powderman]

I am just putting in my 2 cents here, but, would it be any different if they used Yaweh?  I mean it's just another word in another language with the same meaning.  Aren't we being a little sensitive?

 
Not in the least. Yaweh is the Jewish word for God, the muslims allah is another word for satan himself. POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

I am just putting in my 2 cents here, but, would it be any different if they used Yaweh?  I mean it's just another word in another language with the same meaning.  Aren't we being a little sensitive?

Yahweh, is the Hebrew name for God in the Bible. allah was one of 300 gods, with allah being the "sun god". There is no real comparison of the two. One (God) is real, allah is a made up heathen god. Don't worry though. George W. had the same problem tellin the difference and he claimed he was Christian. He thought budda, allah, and Christ were all the same.
 

[powderman]

Heres a link to express your view on this travesty of using the name of a false god and arabic in reciting our pledge. POWDERMAN. 
 
http://www.poudreschooldistrict.net/contact-us/

[ousooners1baby]

Um, no! Allah, from the Muslim or Jews as we say, is The God.  The only difference would be, they do not believe in Jesus.  So, some think they believe in different God's.
Where did you guys study this?

[powderman]

Um, no! Allah, from the Muslim or Jews as we say, is The God.  The only difference would be, they do not believe in Jesus.  So, some think they believe in different God's.
Where did you guys study this?

 
THe kind of God muzzies believe in doesn't exist. They base their opinion on God as seen through the eyes of their murdering, hateful, false pedophile prophet mohamed. POWDERMAN. 

[ousooners1baby]

They definitely are skewed!  That is not the question. 
Islam
Main article: Names of God in the Qur'an
Further information: Allah
Allah is the most frequently used name of God in Islam. It is an Arabic word meaning "The God".[25]
Besides these Arabic names, Muslims of non-Arab origins may also sometimes use other names in their own languages to God, such as Khoda in Persian language or the Ottoman anachronism Tanrı (originally the pre-Islamic Tengrianist Turks' celestial chief god, corresponding to the Ancient Turkic god Tengri). The use of the word "God" in English is also seen as acceptable to Muslims.[citation needed]
The term is used throughout the Qur'an in passages detailing the existence of God and of the beliefs of non-Muslims in other divinities. Notably, the first statement of the shahadah is "there is no ʾdeity but al-Lāh", "there is no god but Allah" (The Almighty God), which cancels out the possibility of other "gods" as it uses "the" referring to "One".

[Duke0313]

They've done everything they could to take my GOD out of the classroom...now they want  to insert another "god" into it???

[Anna]

I was in a courtroom last week for a client where several people had been sworn in. I noticed there was no mention of God whatsoever as in so help you God. Just do you swear to tell the truth the
whole truth, and that was it . What a circus, even the other people in the courtroom were looking at
each other in astonishment. Does anyone here know if that can be just a judges decision or is that
the way its all headed ? The whole thing felt like there was no air of authority in that room.


Our lawyer was doing ok but he said there is something wrong here but we won. But he said if we
hadn't that he would have appealed any decision on these grounds alone . So what you swear to tell
the truth how PC lame is that ? But it shows that our society has no fear of any retribution resulting
from lying , especially in court . But we seem to have a fine role model in the White House and our
Congress so I can see where this is coming from. They didn't even ask the witnesses if they afirm.
Just do you swear ,well anyone can swear. Like this ##^#€<&:! There , I guess I would be sworn in
now so ask me anything you want you sorry &#€Ł#Ą## son of a female dog .


Remember Satan doesn't judge, he doesn't have to . If you end up in his court you convicted yourself
but the way you lived your life before you ever got there . And there is no pledge of alliance in his
classroom either. And your never found innocent your just more kindling for the fires.

[Dee]

I read some of these posts concerning God, and it reaffirms a lot of reasons this country is in the state it is in.

[ousooners1baby]

I am tired of the nit-picking about this. I will write a sentence that is easy to read and comprehend, not have a hidden meaning.  They do believe in a man named Jesus.  Not the son of God though.  They have other prophets as well as this Jesus.  They do not believe in the coming of anyone to "save them" yet.  They still live with the Law and the Old Testament ways. 

[Swift One]

It's really plain and simple.  Here in America, the common language is English.  And the major religion is Christianity.  Why is it, that people form other regions feel they need to come to this country and disregaurd what our traditions, language, and beliefs are? And go even further to try and eliminate those things by replacing them with thier stuff.  This is The United States, you chose to come here.  Learn our ways or get out.
 
If you go to England, you better get on board real quick with being asked, "you gotta fag?"  Fag, meaning cigarette.  That's how they talk.  It's their way.  Who would I be to demand to change it becuase I find it an offensive word in my part of the world? Not that I do- just saying.

[powderman]

OUSOONERS. The Jesus they believe in will come to kill everybody but muslims, so no, they really don't believe in our Jesus Christ, they fear him.
NOW, about their false god allah. They see God through the eyes of mohamed. A murdering, rapist,  pedophile, false prophet. He taught that god is a hateful, vengeful, murderous type that rules by slaughtering all that won't bow down to him, UHHHHH, US.
The real God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, OURS, is kind, loving and forgiving. Since there is but ONE GOD, the god they worship does not exist, therefore they are godless.
Their false God has no place in the pledge of allegience to America. POWDERMAN. 
 

[gypsyman]

HHMM, why is ok in their Bible, the Koran, killing of daughters and wives, is ok? Killing of infedels is ok. Cutting off of hands and feet is ok. If this HS thinks it's doing a job to promote diveristy, they havn't done their homework. gypsyman

[Shu]

In reading the article from a different news site, I gleened it was an excercise in diverse cultures and languages. The pledge was read in several different languages over the course of time. I do not believe the students meant any disrespect for our flag, country or anyones religious convictions.
 
I think this is one of those times the content of the heart must be looked at. If the scholars here will recall the tower of Babel, Father God confused the languages of men. He did it for a reason. Today becuase of language barriers we see an uproar. What was the content the heart of the students?

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Shu:
"I gleened it was an excercise in diverse cultures and languages."


We can't have none of that now can we? It might cause some thinking which is a no no around here.
GuzziJohn

[lakota]

The same folks who say that this is no big deal would be screaming bloody murder if they has said "one nation under Jesus Christ..." or "In Jesus's name..." and would also be screaming bloody murder over a nativity scene or a Christmas play that dares to mention Jesus Christ. There lies my problem with the insertion of Allah-that is to say the hypocrisy and intolerance of those who have no problem with it. If the left wants god out of the classroom then that ban extends to all gods as far as I am concerned even the gods that those on the left like.

[Shu]

Lol, Guzzi you are killin' me.
 
I wonder what would be said about saying the pledge in Japanese? The name for God is different and so is the concept. I think the Arabic language is what started the fire. A smart kid would have read the pledge in Pashtu, Urdu or even Farsi but never Arabic.
 
At work one of my counterparts is a devout muslim, he is a very good manager and treats all the people who work for him very well. He had no problem with the Christmas tree or the Minora placed in the waiting area outside of his office durring the holidays. Our other counterpart isa nice Jewish guy. Twice a month the three of us sit down and have lunch. Never a fight or argument never anything said when I order a bacon cheese burger. These two men are my friends and mentors. I have the upmost respect for them both. Our kids even attended a few classes together at the local school.
 
I would and have stood up for women in the grocery store wearing a hajib. Yes we are one nation under God. Each of us love being an American. Does the term mean we only get along with white people whose ancestors left England for freedom. Or do we embrace all who seek the great concept of freedom? The people who own the gas station are from Pakistan are becomming American Citizens, so are the Cambodians who run the donut store, and my Bhuddaist doctor from Sri Lanka exhibits Christian qualities far in excess of what I do. (to my embarrassmen)
 
World War II, America puts citizens of Japanese descent into prison camps. The citizens of German and Italian descent were not. American Soldiers of Japanese descent were sent to Germany and became highly decorated. Black pilots were escorting bombers. German POWs were allowed to co mingle with the American population. First Nation American Soldiers were discriminated against also. I could go on but I think we need to stop a moment and really think about America and God. What do they really mean?
 
 

[ousooners1baby]

I have deduced from this conversation that I would pick about 3 or maybe 4 people out of 13, whom could actually make logical decisions.  Left or Right!  I bet those numbers would go across the board.  Out of all the congressmen and women about 20 percent are able to make a rational and thoughtful decision.  P.S. I believe in the constitution and the tie in with the God I serve. I believe in Jesus Christ and the putting off of the old man and slipping on the new. And I believe it is a desire, in some, to rid the nation of all of these.  This, however, I don't feel is one of these instances.

[johnpaulh]

I have deduced from this conversation that I would pick about 3 or maybe 4 people out of 13, whom could actually make logical decisions.  Left or Right!  I bet those numbers would go across the board.  Out of all the congressmen and women about 20 percent are able to make a rational and thoughtful decision.  P.S. I believe in the constitution and the tie in with the God I serve. I believe in Jesus Christ and the putting off of the old man and slipping on the new. And I believe it is a desire, in some, to rid the nation of all of these.  This, however, I don't feel is one of these instances.

At the risk of sounding so far right I can reach around and shake hands with the far left...do you think we should give in, or up?  When we give up a little of our freedom, or tradition (other than for a health reason..."easy on the lard ma, the biscuits are fine!"), do we not risk losing it altogether?

By allowing the adulteration of the pledge we risk losing the meaning behind the icon it honors.  The first freedom fighters to carry that flag weren't followers of any God but the Christian God of our founding fathers, Protestant, Catholic, Shaker, Quaker, Puritan.....same God.  Bastardizing the ode to that flag desecrates the efforts of those who have carried and fallen for that banner.  The same with desecration of our Flag....allowing it turns it into nothing more than a rag....to be used to incite anger in the hearts and minds of those who choose to hold it dear and remember what it represents....Patriots.

Just my honest opinion, if those sentiments and beliefs make me a radical then so be it.   

[ousooners1baby]

Nah. We should not give up or give in.  I just believe in this matter, that the citing of the Our Pledge of Allegiance, there is no issue.  No giving in, imo, is being done.  There has to be written rules.  There has to be unwritten rules also.  The matter of which we judge these is very delicate.  And you are right.  You give an inch and they take a mile.  That goes with everything.  Also, we have to remember, if I remember correctly, all of these men who had a hand in getting all of our constitutions and such written, they were not all "Christians".  Most, however, did believe in some sort of creator.  How they all came together on this is amazing in itself.  Apparently, at one time or another, Thomas Jefferson, did not believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God. Below is he statement about it.  So, above, because these people do not believe exactly how we do, this must, no can not, be the same God.

""And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." -- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

[coyotejoe]

As a kid I well remember facing the flag, holding hand over heart and reciting the pledge of allegiance. That was before they added the words "under god" and when those words were added I refused to speak them. It was as if I were being told that I could not be a good American if I did not believe in GOD. I did not believe it. The bible stories were just too far fetched to be believed even by a child. But it was clear that you had to pretend to believe or be ostracized and distrusted for being honest enough to admit you find the bible to be ridiculous. In hind sight now I see the mandatory recital of the pledge to be obvious fascist indoctrination. I believe in the constitution of the United States, I do not love my government. I believe in spiritual awareness, I can only laugh at the bible. I do not believe children should be required to recite anything they are too young to really understand.

[powderman]

JOHNPAULH. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[two-blocked]

One more reason we need an "official language" in this country!!

[powderman]

One more reason we need an "official language" in this country!!

 
Yes we do, but dems don't want it, or voter ID, etc. POWDERMAN.