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« on: January 31, 2013, 04:39:33 AM »
Nazi Gun Control Laws: a Familiar Road to Citizen Disarmament?    First, in 1919 (about nine years before the rise of the National Socialists), the German post-World War I government passed the Verordnung des Rates der Volksbeauftragen über Waffenbesitz (Regulations of the Council of the People’s Delegates on Weapons Possession). A reaction to the increasing presence of communists in Germany, this gun control law mandated, “All firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately.” Anyone who was found in possession of a gun or ammunition could be punished by up to five years imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.

As agents of the German military enforced this law throughout Germany, in order to accelerate the seizure of all weapons and ammunition, the decision was made to install what might be called in modern political parlance a “Disarmament Czar.” Call for a gun control czar. Sound familiar?

On August 7, 1920, the German government passed the Gesetz über die Entwaffnung der Bevölkerung (Law on the Disarmament of the People). This law created the office of Reichskommissar for Disarmament of the Civil Population. This official was tasked with making a list of “military weapons” that were subject to immediate seizure. Sound familiar?

Perhaps the most frightening and foreboding provision of the law was that requiring all citizens with knowledge of anyone hoarding ammo or who owned outlawed weapons to turn in to the Reichskommissar the names of these people. Neighbors spying on neighbors. Sound familiar?

The next step in the complete disarmament of Germany prior to Hitler’s wresting of absolute power was the passage in 1928 of the Gesetz über Schußwaffen und Munition (Law on Firearms and Ammunition). This law required licensing of anyone who manufactured, assembled, or repaired firearms and ammunition. This included private citizens who reloaded their own rounds. Trade and sale of arms and ammo was also forbidden without a license, including at gun shows and competitive shooting events. Sound familiar?

The license to own a weapon provided for in the 1928 law was called a Waffenschein. This carry license was issued at the will of the government, and an applicant was required to show that his “reliability is not in doubt” and that he had a particular need for a firearm. Psychological testing for a gun license. Sound familiar?

Further, this law placed caps on the types and numbers of weapons and ammunition that could be owned, even by those with licenses. Persons who owned more than five guns or more than 100 rounds of ammunition would have to seek a special license for such an “arsenal.” Caps on ammo. Sound familiar?

Progressive? The disarmament of the population certainly did progress rapidly. As legal scholar Stephen Halbrook wrote in an extraordinarily thorough article published in 2000 in the Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law:
Within a decade, Germany had gone from a brutal firearms seizure policy which, in times of unrest, entailed selective yet immediate execution for mere possession of a firearm, to a modern, comprehensive gun control law.
 
 Passed by a liberal republic, this law ensured that the police had records of all firearms acquisitions (or at least all lawful ones) and that the keeping and bearing of arms were subject to police approval.    This firearms control regime was quite useful to the new government that came to power a half decade later.

On March 23, 1933, the Reichstag (German parliament) passed, by a vote of 441 to 94, a measure called the Enabling Act permitting Hitler to make laws without consulting the Reichstag. The president issuing decrees without consulting Congress. Sound familiar?
Finally, within a week of assuming autocratic control of the lawmaking power in Germany, Hitler issued the following order regarding gun ownership:
The units of the national revolution, SA, SS, and Stahlhelm, offer every German man with a good reputation the opportunity to join their ranks for the fight. Therefore, whoever does not belong to one of these named units and nevertheless keeps his weapon without authorization or even hides it, must be viewed as an enemy of the national government and will be held responsible without hesitation and with the utmost severity.

And, in case there were any doubts about the seriousness of the severity, a newspaper entry announcing the edict informed citizens: “If we find military weapons or ammunition after 31 March 1933, we will be forced to proceed ruthlessly.”


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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 05:24:50 AM »
Yes that is all taking place either this minute, or soon will be.  of course the liberals are either blind to the control movement, or are willing participants.
they need to also check out stalin.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 06:34:37 AM »
The myth of Nazi gun control.   ::)
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 06:42:02 AM »
My understanding is Hitler lowered the age for Germans to own guns to 18 years old, but forbid marxist, communist, and jewish terorrists from getting their hands on guns. Alot of misunderstanding on German gun control...
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Right.  Like the WMD lies to get us into Iraq.  It is always lies as usual.  >:(
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 06:42:15 AM »
hairy. You are part of it, I believe you knew this when you voted for your hero hussein. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 06:48:26 AM »
hairy. You are part of it, I believe you knew this when you voted for your hero hussein. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

The myth about Nazi gun control is exactly that - a myth to deflect attention from the real gun controllers.   ;)
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 06:57:20 AM »
My understanding is Hitler lowered the age for Germans to own guns to 18 years old, but forbid marxist, communist, and jewish terorrists from getting their hands on guns. Alot of misunderstanding on German gun control...
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Change the selected groups to recently labeled anti federalists............... Then what is the difference.
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 06:59:15 AM »
hairy. You are part of it, I believe you knew this when you voted for your hero hussein. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

The myth about Nazi gun control is exactly that - a myth to deflect attention from the real gun controllers.   ;)
Nazi was slang for the National Socialist party, a group with some obvious correlation with the present administration.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 07:21:41 AM »
hairy. Liberal lies, but you already know that. Tell that to folks who lived in any of the countries hitler took. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 09:25:24 AM »
My understanding is Hitler lowered the age for Germans to own guns to 18 years old, but forbid marxist, communist, and jewish terorrists from getting their hands on guns. Alot of misunderstanding on German gun control...
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Per your hero and HLS, conservatives are the equivalent of terrorists.  hitlers enemies were anyone outside the nazi party.   kinda like hussein and the democrats.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 09:41:46 AM »
The nazi came to power by elections and wide wide support by the German people.
.the Russians greeted the Germans as liberators and loved them....
the nazi came to power by german and austrian voters who were promised a utopia by hitler.
Jews need not apply.  we know how that turned out.
plus the russians drove the nazi out of their country mostly because of peasants and others who willingly sacrificed for the war effort.  the nazi didn't have a chance against russians who would give all for the mother country.  liberators they were not.
obama is a clone of a combination of hitler/stalin
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 09:49:08 AM »
Quote from BUGEYE:
"Per your hero and HLS, conservatives are the equivalent of terrorists.  hitlers enemies were anyone outside the nazi party.   kinda like hussein and the democrats."


Or the teaparty seeing democrats as terrorists. Or as you seeing Obama as one.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 12:12:14 PM »
Ok then lets forget Nazi gun control, and call it something softer like "hope and change" A bunch of people believed that lie. I believe Hitler promised change also. Wonder why people always think that change is for the better. Especially coming from the mouth of a socialist. Obama would have been much more truthful if his catch phrase would have been "divide and conquer".
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 12:49:20 PM »
The jews believed Hitlers lies, just like many people in this country believe Obama's lies. Wonder how the Jews felt about Hitler after he started exterminating them like rats. Now American Jews vote for Obama. Jews do have a history of voting for their enemies. After all the Jews voted for someone that listened to J. Wright ranting against Jews and whites, for twenty years. Who knows maybe the Jews see Obama as a God send like they did Hitler, because of all the "stuff" offered, like food, heated homes, cell phones, the good life, etc.. Saten does have many ways to get people in his pocket.  Jews are intelligent, but they do have an island of ignorance. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 03:56:17 AM »
hairy. You are part of it, I believe you knew this when you voted for your hero hussein. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

The myth about Nazi gun control is exactly that - a myth to deflect attention from the real gun controllers.   ;)
Nazi was slang for the National Socialist party, a group with some obvious correlation with the present administration.
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Not actually much correlation despite myth...and they weren't socialist by current parlance.  They were Volkreicht. The nazi came to power by elections and wide wide support by the German people.The masscre of 50,ooo Germans in Danzig was stopped as well  In five years Germany came out of extreme depression and hunger to be in a two front war---remarkable brought on them by terrorist, banks and NWO forces like Churchill..The world marveled at their economy and its amazing how many diverse nations allied with them.
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BTW, you might not know this but Hitler was a WW1 veteran, saw alot of severe action and was highly decorated; once slapped down a Colonel and got away with it.  I always try to study real figures in history.
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PMan....the Russians greeted the Germans as liberators and loved them....the Wehrmarcht made it all the way to Moscow and Stalingrad and greeted as liberators by white Russian and peasants who where brutalized by Stalin and the marxist rabbinate. If not for Lend Lease and US support of the red commie army, and Stalin shooting his own troops Moscow and Stalingrad would have collapsed...a bad winter helped, too.
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A history rewrite! You should teach in Cuba.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2013, 04:50:09 AM »
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A history rewrite! You should teach in Cuba.
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 don't bother researching, you're not unbiased and so can't possibly qualify as an impartial researcher.
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LOL, and YOU are unbiased??  ;D ;D
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2013, 06:04:58 AM »
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A history rewrite! You should teach in Cuba.
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Those are just a few facts and easily checked out by any unbiased researcher. I've happened to reseach the ww2 era rather extensively as it is a most important turning point in mankind's course. For you -- don't bother researching, you're not unbiased and so can't possibly qualify as an impartial researcher.  As I said_ _you're entitled to your opinions, but not entitled to making up facts to support chaotic opinions in support of never ending violence. BTW-fyi, criticizing posters in a last ditch attempt to support your belief system is neither opinion nor fact_  _just psychic clutter.
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Where exactly did you find this "unbiased research"? And where did I support "never ending violence"? Just how well did the Polish people take being "liberated" by Hitler's forces? Unarmed Russian peasants greeted Hitler's troops as liberators? Could it be possible their choices were somewhat restricted? I consider your post a personal insult, not so much a bout of critical opinion.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2013, 11:18:01 AM »
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Hitler came to power via real landslide elections.

 
 
 
tm7, what I have read is that Hitler received less than 37% of the vote in the 1932 presidential election and came in 2nd.  How, exactly, would this be considered a "landslide"?
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 11:45:03 AM »
Boy! this is great I am finally getting to learn some real history and the true story.  not!

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2013, 12:24:25 PM »
 
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Hitler came to power via real landslide elections.
 
 
 
 
tm7, what I have read is that Hitler received less than 37% of the vote in the 1932 presidential election and came in 2nd.  How, exactly, would this be considered a "landslide"?
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First remember that Hitler was a wounded decorated veteran of ww1. He was similar to our present day disgusted American veterans looking at the system, and he and the Workers party tried to organize the Beer Hall coup in the 1920 after bankers and the Weimar republic deceimated the country...For that he served time in prison and wrote his tome, Mein Kampf .
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Now, In the election held on 5 March 1933 the Nazis won 288 seats (out of a total of 647) and their coaltion partners, the German Nationalists won 52 seats. This gave the Nazis and partners a majority of 43 over all other parties combined of which there were many.
However, one needs to bear in mind that the election was not held in 'normal' circumstances. but during a state of emergency. The SA (Brownshirts) had been unleashed on the population and were beating up and terrorizing their political opponents. Whether Hitler and his party had anything to do with that is uncertain. Popular history writers say he did.  On 28 February 1933 the Reichstag burned down. The Nazi leadership blamed the Communists, banned the Communist Party and issued several emergency decrees. Note that German courts forbid the 81 Comminists who were nominally elected from taking their seats.**It would also be a mistake to assume that the other parties were in opposition to the Nazis and their partners. Given the anti-Communist hysteria (like muzzie hysteria in the USA today), most other parties were willing to co-operate with the Nazis. So, there was a nexus of events that led to the AH landslide or support for office. For the most part the majority of German people supported most of AH ideas and party hoping for their country to be restored and the slaughter of Germans in Poland, Hungary-Czech, etc. stopped....remember most Germans claim they knew nothing about the camps, too, which is a discussion for another day.
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         So, is that your way of saying your use of the term "landslide" was not quite true?
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2013, 03:54:02 AM »
Is TM7 somehow excusing Germany for starting two world wars?  Glorifying Hitler? I can see how TM7 would support Hussein if this is his world view.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2013, 04:57:19 AM »
Wikipedia can be anything that the last author wants it to be.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2013, 05:29:56 AM »
Wikipedia can be anything that the last author wants it to be.
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 That's the way you think Bug.... But facts are facts, and can be checked out.  Them is facts in the article and known for years....quit trying to make up your own 'facts'.  And remember Hitler was much like you_ _i.e. a religious fanatic, but maybe not as fanatical.... :D .
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You must be right.  after all, you were right about Bush and Cheney knocking down the twin towers and shooting a rocket into the Pentagon. ::)
wikipedia is nothing more than the last authors opinion.  check it out...
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2013, 07:09:42 AM »

 But as per the topic of this thread.....it is debateable whether Hitler disarmed the German people as popular accounts claim...so I'm waiting for one of the so-called conservatives to come along and prove that with facts.
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LOL, and there's folks right here who still think hussein isn't after our guns.
and I generally try for news outlets for info rather than wiki.
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2013, 07:29:13 AM »
It's still only talk if we allow it to happen. Just like it was back in the late thirties in Germany .
We are not going to just talk away the problem. By doing that it is the distraction that our enemy's
want us to be engaging in. While they do as they damn well please as we argue with their front men
and each other and do nothing about it . We had more courage as a nation before we had these
forums . Now we sound like a bunch of cry baby's because the commies are coming .
Where as before we would have stomped their a$$ before they had ever gotten this far.
Somebody do something !! Well at least we are not using that whinny response anymore like we
were back in 08. On our forums of course. We are so brave and I bet the liberals are justa shakeing
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2013, 07:48:35 AM »
Holy Cow TM7, that is what you got out of the rise of AH ?


Sort of like saying 9 / 11 / 01 was a beautiful bright and sunny day in NY city, and the fire dept was unusually busy.


There are some differing ways history can be viewed. I will acknowledge that the winners write the books. But your portrayal is missing a major point. Hitler was pretty good at selling one thing and delivering something totally different.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2013, 09:02:13 AM »
Oh and by the way , Red Dawn was a comedy to these people only we took it seriously .
TM7 you are very right , it was even openly said by the Soviet Union that our Democrat party was
more akin to their way of thinking . Where our Republican party is more akin to the fascist that once
invaded their country . Now how do you think back then that the average Russian would be feeling
about that ?   


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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2013, 09:25:43 AM »
What I think is when you trot out a defense of hitler you lose a lot of credibility. I am not going to argue the relative merits of one despot against another.


This argument is about the regulation and confiscation of guns. When have guns been confiscated from a populace to their advantage? No matter if hitler did or did not remove guns from the hands of the Jews and others he certainly used it to his advantage. Now if Obama has our rights unconstitutionally rescinded, and it takes another 15 years before an oppressive government takes advantage, it makes it no more right for him to have done so.


The very reason to have a gun is to be able to defend yourself from a more physically powerful opponent.


Somewhere between the Germans liberating Russian peasants and them being thrown out of Russia the people certainly got the taste of killing German soldiers. As far as I have determined they got so good at it the Germans have lived in fear of the taste coming back to them. Again sell one thing and deliver another thing altogether. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2013, 09:36:27 AM »
hairy. You are part of it, I believe you knew this when you voted for your hero hussein. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

The myth about Nazi gun control is exactly that - a myth to deflect attention from the real gun controllers.   ;)
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Hairy;
  Relax; although the explanation of nazi gun control is interesting..it is not deflecting attention from the REAL gun controllers.
  Folks here have not forgotten how Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo and Co. are at this very moment..cutting corners, ignoring protocol and threatening  commerce...in an attempt to push through their Liberal/Democrat... gun grab agenda.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Nazi gun control laws for gun confiscation. SOUND FAMILIAR??
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2013, 10:02:32 AM »
TM7 you must be right . There are a lot of real fancy and ornate PO8s out there with the war years stamped right on them. Even some Broom Handles that at that time were seeing very little military
use. Judging by their original finish and condition its hard to believe they were anything but a
personal firearm . Even some 98k rifles are like this my dad has one that you could eat off of .
And it has the previous owners name engraved right on it with no military prefix before his name .
Plus the walnut on it is far to nice to be a military rifle as is the original finish. And it is chambered in
the 7x57 cartrage with 1942 on it as a date of manufacture . When at that time the German military
was useing the 8x57 round . Just sayin.