Author Topic: Isn't this a receiver? (Read 1169 times)

uncledub · « **on:** January 31, 2013, 06:13:05 PM »

Just saw this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEF-NEW-ENGLAND-FIREARMS-H-R-HARRINGTON-RICHARDSON-HANDI-RIFLE-TRIGGER-ASSEMBL-/181072337125?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a28c098e5

The picture shows a NEF receiver but the seller is calling it a trigger assembly. What do you guys think?

Ranger99 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2013, 06:22:49 PM »

i think somebody will get a visit
that they don't want

geezer56 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2013, 06:47:18 PM »

SB-1 case colored, already at $102? A complete shotgun can be had for $75 most days. E-bay brigs the idiots out of the woodwork sometimes.

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2013, 03:51:13 AM »

Looks to me to be a shotgun receiver, not a rifle receiver. I would have to see it to be sure, but he is also selling a 20 gauge barrel....sooo.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

ibgp3 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2013, 04:04:13 AM »

The auction has been cancelled, so no sale was consummated.

Lucky for her.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:24:40 AM »

Not the first frame listed, nor the last, someone is always tryin to get away with it.

Tim

wtroger · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:34:51 AM »

The serial numbered piece is considered to be the firearm by the ATF. That has to go through an FFL if it is not a FTF sale by same state residents.

Swampman · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:50:04 AM »

Looks like some jerk reported him.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:54:36 AM »

Shipping long guns within a state for transfers are legal too, doesn't have to be face to face. But firearms(frames) are prohibited on ebay, so it's a moot point.

On a related note, shipping a frame or receiver only may be a different matter now that the ATF has changed their rules on Contender and Encore, what's a pistol or rifle, for interstate transfer my state of Washington now requires all frames/rcvrs to be handled as handguns since there's no barrel included, after the 4473 is completed at the receiving FFL there's a 7-day wait before the transfer can be completed.

Tim

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#shipping-firearms-usps

YRUpunting? · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:16:37 AM »

Do you really think it was malicious or just ignorance? Who would knowingly risk the nightmare of dealing with the ATF for $40?

Wouldn't it be easier to just go down to your local law enforcement office and throw the receiver through the window?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:34:34 AM »

Could be either, but IMO he was trying to use their own terminology to make it work.

Tim

Quote

Firearms

Actual firearms can't be listed on eBay. However, many parts and accessories for firearms are OK to sell, but only under certain conditions. See the list below for more details.

Allowed

Caliber conversion information or blueprints
Magazine holders, speed loaders, stripper clips, or moon clips
Manuals or instruction materials about firearms
Non-pneumatic spear guns

Restricted

Accessories and parts for guns such as butt plates, cases, cleaning supplies, dies, grips, holsters, molds, racks, pistol grips, scopes, slings, stocks, storage cases, or trigger guards. The listing must include a description of the type of firearm the accessory or part is for and what it's used for. If it doesn't, the listing may be removed.

Muzzle loader or black powder gun parts or accessories, as long as each item is offered in one listing at a time. (However, having separate listings for items that can be used to build a gun is prohibited.)

The following gun parts and accessories are allowed on the eBay US site only. The seller must be in the US and offer domestic shipping only:

En bloc clips
Barrels
Bolts
Choke tubes
Cylinders
Firing pins
Hammers
Magazines with a capacity to accept 10 rounds or less (high-capacity magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds are not allowed)
Slides
Trigger assemblies

Not allowed

Firearms regardless of their ability to fire, how old they are, or their status as collectibles
Firearm frames, including grip frames
Firearm kits that are used to create a firearm
Firearm receivers, including parts, upper or lower, cut, or 80 percent receivers
Flash suppressors
High-capacity magazines with a capacity to accept more than 10 rounds—or magazine extenders
Pneumatic spear guns
Powerheads, stick guns, or their equivalents because they work like firearms
Sears
Silencers
Starter pistols or blank guns, regardless of their markings
Zip guns

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/firearms-weapons-knives.html

Swampman · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:37:22 AM »

Quote from: YRUpunting? on February 01, 2013, 07:16:37 AM

Do you really think it was malicious or just ignorance? Who would knowingly risk the nightmare of dealing with the ATF for $40? Wouldn't it be easier to just go down to your local law enforcement office and throw the receiver through the window?

Who's to say he wan't planning on using an FFL?

YRUpunting? · « **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2013, 08:12:17 AM »

I see what you are saying, definitely trying to get past Ebay rules.

uncledub · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2013, 05:05:15 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 01, 2013, 05:50:04 AM

Looks like some jerk reported him.

Some jerk didn't report him.

I sent them a private message and advised them that they were attempting to sell a receiver (firearm) and that they would have to use a FFL or that they could expect a call from ATF. I received a reply and this seller claimed ignorance and pulled the offer.
Whatever their motive, to stand and not advise of the possible legal problems was not something I was willing to do. We get enough bad press as it is.

Dagalee · « **Reply #14 on:** February 01, 2013, 06:43:33 PM »

Uncledub is right.
Little things like that are what get blown up and end up
screwing us all.
Dagalee

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2013, 12:39:48 AM »

Quote from: uncledub on February 01, 2013, 05:05:15 PM

Quote from: Swampman on February 01, 2013, 05:50:04 AM
Looks like some jerk reported him.
Some jerk didn't report him.
I sent them a private message and advised them that they were attempting to sell a receiver (firearm) and that they would have to use a FFL or that they could expect a call from ATF. I received a reply and this seller claimed ignorance and pulled the offer.
Whatever their motive, to stand and not advise of the possible legal problems was not something I was willing to do. We get enough bad press as it is.

The world would be a lot better place if we all minded our own business.

oldsoldja · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2013, 01:48:35 AM »

The world would be a lot better place if we all minded our own business.

my new motto

necchi · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:21:00 AM »

Mark,
What part of the Ebay rules don't you get?

I've seen recievers of many makes listed on ebay, They never make it till the end of the auction,,
Ebay DOES have their own people watching to be sure Their rules are followed.

It's too simple,
Oh, and hat's off to Uncledub

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:29:55 AM »

I've sold thousands of items on ebay and have some listed now. Ebay and federal rules are stupid and it's not our place to help enforce them. Folks need to mind their own business.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2013, 12:23:18 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 02, 2013, 11:29:55 AM

I've sold thousands of items on ebay and have some listed now. Ebay and federal rules are stupid and it's not our place to help enforce them. Folks need to mind their own business.

Its simple - Their Playground = Their Rules , if their rules are so STUPID , they why do you still use their service ?

Maybe WE ALL should heed that advice !

stimpy

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 02, 2013, 12:34:57 PM »