Traitor john says, I will implement husseins world vision.

[powderman]

 John Kerry: 'I will implement Obama's world vision' 01/29/13

From Breitbart:
 

Senator John Kerry said today in his opening statement in his confirmation hearing for

Secretary of State before the Senate that he will do his best to implement "President Obama's vision for the world" by giving "a voice to the voiceless."
Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130129004-world-vision-kerry.html#MTSQZr0b21bcvMxH.99

[yellowtail3]

Traitor john ...

It sure is nice to have a place where you can tell lies and make accusations, and never have to be called to account.


eh?

[SHOOTALL]

You mean like lieing about your service in VN ?

[ironglow]

   Or like saying.." I won't even try to infringe upon the 2nd amendment!"
 
   Or...  " If you vote me in, I will cut the national debt in half during my first 2 years!"

[yellowtail3]

You mean like lieing about your service in VN ?

No, I meant characterizing people that don't agree with your polytics, as traitors.


That's what I meant. Was it unclear?


calling John Kerry a traitor indicates one is either an idiot, or an ideologue. Oftentimes, both. Usually, just... ideologue.

[SHOOTALL]

If he supports a UN action that is in opposition to American law or the consitution what would he be called ?
If he lies about his service record to gain acceptance he comes close at least to those who did have to suffer what he claimed he did but did not. 

[yellowtail3]

sounds like we have new criteria for what constitutes traitor


lied about service record? Why would he need to lie? Guy was in the Navy, right? Commissioned? Served on a destroyer, then held command of swift boat or something like that? Got some decorations, incl Silver Star?

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving as Officer in Charge of United States Navy Patrol Craft Fast 94 and officer in Tactical Command of an operation in the Republic of Vietnam. On 28 February 1969, Patrol Craft Fast 23, 43 and 94, in conjunction with Underwater Demolition Team 13 and Vietnamese Regional and Popular Forces personnel, conducted an operation on the Ca Mau Peninsula as part of Operation SEA LORDS. While transiting the Bay Hap River en route to an insertion point along the Dong Cung River, these craft with thirty Regional/Popular Force personnel embarked in each unit came under heavy enemy small arms fire from the river banks. The Officer in Tactical Command, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his units to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY expertly directed the fire of his craft at the fleeing enemy while simultaneously coordinating the insertion of the embarked troops. While the Regional and Popular Forces conducted an area sweep, Patrol Craft Fast 43 remained on station to provide fire support and Patrol Craft Fast 23 and 94 moved upstream to investigate an area from which gunshots were coming. Arriving at the area, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered his units to charge the enemy positions and summoned Patrol Craft Fast 43 to the area to provide additional firepower. Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft Fast 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then led an assault party and conducted a sweep of the area while the Patrol Craft Fast continued to provide fire support. After the enemy had been completely routed, all personnel returned to the Patrol Craft Fast to withdraw from the area. While backing off the beach, these units again came under a hail of fire, this time from the opposite river bank. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately coordinated the firepower of his units and supressed the enemy fire. Later, after disembarking personnel, and while exiting from the Bay Hap River, the Patrol Craft Fast were again under fire. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately maneuvered his craft through several strafing runs which completely silenced the enemy. As a result of this operation, ten Viet Cong were killed and one wounded with no friendly casualties. In addition, numerous sampans, structures and bunkers were destroyed as well as confiscation of substantial quantities of combat essential supplies. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's devotion to duty, courage under fire, outstanding leadership, and exemplary professionalism directly contributed to the success of this operation and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the Unites States Naval Service."[/size]

For the President

E.R. ZUMWALT, Jr.

Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy

Commander U. S. Naval Forces, Vietnam

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[BUGEYE]

You mean like lieing about your service in VN ?

No, I meant characterizing people that don't agree with your polytics, as traitors.


That's what I meant. Was it unclear?


calling John Kerry a traitor indicates one is either an idiot, or an ideologue. Oftentimes, both. Usually, just... ideologue.

He met with the enemy in Paris and gave them his endorsement.  both he and hanoi jane should be executed for treason.  they are wallowing in the blood of our young men.

[SHOOTALL]

sounds like we have new criteria for what constitutes traitor


lied about service record? Why would he need to lie? Guy was in the Navy, right? Commissioned? Served on a destroyer, then held command of swift boat or something like that? Got some decorations, incl Silver Star?

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving as Officer in Charge of United States Navy Patrol Craft Fast 94 and officer in Tactical Command of an operation in the Republic of Vietnam. On 28 February 1969, Patrol Craft Fast 23, 43 and 94, in conjunction with Underwater Demolition Team 13 and Vietnamese Regional and Popular Forces personnel, conducted an operation on the Ca Mau Peninsula as part of Operation SEA LORDS. While transiting the Bay Hap River en route to an insertion point along the Dong Cung River, these craft with thirty Regional/Popular Force personnel embarked in each unit came under heavy enemy small arms fire from the river banks. The Officer in Tactical Command, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his units to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY expertly directed the fire of his craft at the fleeing enemy while simultaneously coordinating the insertion of the embarked troops. While the Regional and Popular Forces conducted an area sweep, Patrol Craft Fast 43 remained on station to provide fire support and Patrol Craft Fast 23 and 94 moved upstream to investigate an area from which gunshots were coming. Arriving at the area, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered his units to charge the enemy positions and summoned Patrol Craft Fast 43 to the area to provide additional firepower. Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft Fast 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then led an assault party and conducted a sweep of the area while the Patrol Craft Fast continued to provide fire support. After the enemy had been completely routed, all personnel returned to the Patrol Craft Fast to withdraw from the area. While backing off the beach, these units again came under a hail of fire, this time from the opposite river bank. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately coordinated the firepower of his units and supressed the enemy fire. Later, after disembarking personnel, and while exiting from the Bay Hap River, the Patrol Craft Fast were again under fire. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately maneuvered his craft through several strafing runs which completely silenced the enemy. As a result of this operation, ten Viet Cong were killed and one wounded with no friendly casualties. In addition, numerous sampans, structures and bunkers were destroyed as well as confiscation of substantial quantities of combat essential supplies. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's devotion to duty, courage under fire, outstanding leadership, and exemplary professionalism directly contributed to the success of this operation and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the Unites States Naval Service."

For the President

E.R. ZUMWALT, Jr.

Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy

Commander U. S. Naval Forces, Vietnam

and the rest of the story was he lied  according to some.

[yellowtail3]

He met with the enemy in Paris and gave them his endorsement.  both he and hanoi jane should be executed for treason.  they are wallowing in the blood of our young men.

we were on the wrong side in that war.

[powderman]

I have just as much use for traitor john as I do those who support him. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

we were on the wrong side in that war.

 
 
 
First of all, that simply doesn't make sense . . . unless you are saying that we should have sided with the communist North Vietnamese.  Secondly, that does not change the nature of his actions.

[powderman]

we were on the wrong side in that war.

 
 
 
First of all, that simply doesn't make sense . . . unless you are saying that we should have sided with the communist North Vietnamese.  Secondly, that does not change the nature of his actions.

 
CASULL. Thats what it sounded like to me too. POWDERMAN. 

[LONGTOM]

JK lied about his time of service in VN.
"I REMEMBER IT WELL. IT'S SEARED IN MY BRAIN"
 
In fact, it was proven that he wasn't even in country at the time he said he was.
The one thing that most service men held dear to their heart was their time served and yet he flat out lied about his.
 
YT, You think we were on the wrong side of the war, well let me tell you that a lot of young men thought the same thing but went and did their duty without meeting with the enemy in Paris and giving them their endorsement.
Some of you pick some pretty strange hero's!
 

 
Some who were there on his ship with him says he lied and the wound he got was a superficial one at best yet he got a purple heart for a "small cut" as stated by the ships doctor that tended his wound.
I wasn't there with him and neither were you to know first hand so we must take the word of those that were.
 
 
LONGTOM

[powderman]

LONGTOM. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

Well it looks like I can add another traitor to the list.

[yellowtail3]

JK lied about his time of service in VN.

I don't know what he lied about. He was there, he saw action, he was decorated. What's the lie you've got in mind?

In fact, it was proven that he wasn't even in country at the time he said he was.

shouldn't be too hard to look at his service jacket. Is it your position that he was not in Vietnam, did not command swift boat, did not see action, did not receive Silver Star?

YT, You think we were on the wrong side of the war

I do. DO YOU THINK our interests were served by going into that war? With the hundreds of thousands killed as a result of our engagement in that war?

well let me tell you that a lot of young men thought the same thing but went and did their duty without meeting with the enemy in Paris and giving them their endorsement.

said another way - those men you have in mind, failed to turn their convictions into actions.

Some of you pick some pretty strange hero's!

(shrug) I never claimed Kerry as as hero to me. I didn't even vote for him when he ran. All I did, was call BS on some poster's characterization of the man as a traitor (and that poster hasn't been in combat, I'll guess, but he can lie-mouth someone who has... go figger... )

we were on the wrong side in that war.

First of all, that simply doesn't make sense . . . unless you are saying that we should have sided with the communist North Vietnamese.

sure it does, unless the reader is ignorant of that war and what led up to it, starting back in the 40s... maybe the kind whose knowledge of the Vietnam war comes from a Billy Joel tune & a Sly Stallone film? We should have supported Ho when he asked for it, in the late 40s early 50s. That would have been the right thing to do. We didnt... instead, in 1964, we launched a war on false pretense (as much confusion as deliberate). 

Secondly, that does not change the nature of his actions.

I perfectly understand the the exact nature of this 'actions' which were, when you get right down to it... that he's a Democrat and political liberal, so folks who usually uncritically fawn over combat vets, make an exception and instead trash the guy.


that's what is going on with that

[LONGTOM]

Quote from: LONGTOM on Today at 01:15:22 AM

JK lied about his time of service in VN.

I don't know what he lied about. He was there, he saw action, he was decorated. What's the lie you've got in mind?
 
When he stated that he was behind enemy lines in Cambodia at a certain time (sorry I don't have the exact date) it was proven that at that time he wasn't even in country. THAT WAS A LIE ON HIS PART!
 
 
 

 
 

In fact, it was proven that he wasn't even in country at the time he said he was.
 

shouldn't be too hard to look at his service jacket. Is it your position that he was not in Vietnam, did not command swift boat, did not see action, did not receive Silver Star?
 
Can't you read?
         In fact, it was proven that he wasn't even in country at the time he said he was.
I never said he wasn't in Nam.
He just wasn't there on the dates he said he was.
 

 
 

 

YT, You think we were on the wrong side of the war

I do. DO YOU THINK our interests were served by going into that war? With the hundreds of thousands killed as a result of our engagement in that war?
 
Yes I do.
Your opinion, my opinion.
 

 
 

 
well let me tell you that a lot of young men thought the same thing but went and did their duty without meeting with the enemy in Paris and giving them their endorsement.
 
said another way - those men you have in mind, failed to turn their convictions into actions.

 
You surely aren't saying that those young men were cowards because they served their country when called upon to do so regardless of what they thought.
I would call that the ultimate act of bravery on their part!
 
 
 

 
 

Some of you pick some pretty strange hero's!
 

(shrug) I never claimed Kerry as as hero to me. I didn't even vote for him when he ran. All I did, was call BS on some poster's characterization of the man as a traitor (and that poster hasn't been in combat, I'll guess, but he can lie-mouth someone who has... go figger... )

 
Granted, I may have went a little far with your choice of person to defend.
 
 
 

 
 
Now I will answer the other two comments in your reply to Casull.

 

                we were on the wrong side in that war.
 
 
               First of all, that simply doesn't make sense . . . unless you are saying that we should have sided with the communist North Vietnamese.
 
sure it does, unless the reader is ignorant of that war and what led up to it, starting back in the 40s... maybe the kind whose knowledge of the Vietnam war comes from a Billy Joel tune & a Sly Stallone film? We should have supported Ho when he asked for it, in the late 40s early 50s. That would have been the right thing to do. We didnt... instead, in 1964, we launched a war on false pretense (as much confusion as deliberate).


 
You seem to keep wanting to live in the past.
You keep bringing up what started things to begin with.
That really has no bearing on this post.
The OP is about what JK will do for THE LIAR IN THE WHITEHOUSE and why some of us think he is a traitor.
It has nothing to do with what started the war in Nam!
 
 
 

 
 
Secondly, that does not change the nature of his actions.
I perfectly understand the the exact nature of this 'actions' which were, when you get right down to it... that he's a Democrat and political liberal, so folks who usually uncritically fawn over combat vets, make an exception and instead trash the guy.

 
I don't see any reference to him being a Dem or a Lib.
We/I am trashing him because he is a LIAR just like his chief.
He lied about his time in service and according to some of his own shipmates who were there he lied about his exploits under fire when he was wounded.
 

 
 
Now that all the questions have been answered with facts I feel we are more then correct when we call him a traitor.
You may feel differently, and that is your right, but in my opinion, you are wrong!!!
 
 

 
 
LONGTOM

[Anna]

For someone like Lurch Kerry to implement any vision of anything he had first better go see an
optometrist . Then look in the mirror and see what the rest of the world is seeing .
A walking stack of mummified remains that even botox injections couldn't help .