Mercury recoil reducers

[AtlLaw]

We have talked about the C&H recoil reducer from MPC Sports here before, but has anybody tried the "Graco BreakO?"   
 
The Graco is $9 more but the shipping on the C&H may eat up the difference.  That is since I can order the Greco from my normal supplier when I get other stuff.
 
So I guess it boils down to which is better?    Any thoughts?   
 
I already have the stock bolt hole filled with lead, but I need all the help with that 510 Sharps Express I can get!   

[petemi]

Richard, It all boils down ta one thing:   "If yer gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough."

Didn't yer Mom tell ya that?

I couldn't resist it.

Pete

[jparedes]

I have the Mercury Recoil Reducer in my 47-70.  It now weights 9.2 lbs., but it certainly allows me to shoot 30 to 50 times in a session without beating me up.
This week I have been setting up my new 30-30AI and today in the morning I filled the stock bolt hole with $5.00 worth of Nickels and buffered both ends with plugs of leather.  It weights now 9.0 lbs.  I will reduce the amount of Nickels later on, but for now, I want to ask my wife to try it and the softer the perceived kick the better will be so I won't scare her away.  Going to the range tomorrow morning.

[RPRNY]

While I have a C&H in my S&W I Bolt, I am unfamiliar with the Graco BreakO.

However, based on the name alone, I would say the cost differential was inconsequential and, regardless of whether it's effective, it's a MUST HAVE.

[Bigeasy]

Richard-
 
Never shot a gun with a mercury recoil reducer, but did have a friend who had one (Don't know the exact make) in his single barrel 12 ga trap gun.  He said it helped with the recoil, but gave it kind of a double shuffle recoil, a little like the feel of a Browning Auto-5 long recoil action.
 
Larry

[AtlLaw]

"If yer gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough."

Well Pete ol' hoss, I ain't never been real scared of recoil, but that 50-140 rattles my teeth almost as much as a 12 ga. 3.5 inch turkey load off the bench!  And I ain't no masochist!   
 
Now, with the lead in the stock my Handi is right at 10 lbs.  Even with the 28 inch barrel it's a little butt heavy.  I sure would like to put the mercury recoil reducer in the forend.     What cha thin?   

[YRUpunting?]

As I recall the original 50-140 weighted about 20 lbs. and was considered a "mild shooter".  Good luck! 

[gcrank1]

I do not recall having ever heard of such a thing installed in the front end, but then I havent heard it all.
When I was messing about with how to tame Ol' Ugly Overkill', the vicious kicking 12ga. slug gun, I search out a bunch of info online and was not sold on the concept for the prices asked. I tried lead (way butt heavy) and even a homemade spring loaded steel insert (MC valve spring and hot rolled round stock) and the latter was the better of the two. Then BB sent me the old H&R shell carrier buttstock (holds two rounds in reserve in an enlarged stockbolt hole) with a spring and shorter steel slug AND recoil pad. I also read up on shooting big-bore double rifles and the technique best utilized and do OK now. I think I must still disclose that I WILL NOT shoot this off the bench with me behind it.
I believe that a big reason the Brits went to the lighter bullet for caliber in Nitro Express cartridges is that with the increase velo's attainable with smokeless that the traditional big heavies were just too much for most mortals.
Now, Richard, I know you once were a close cousin to a Greek god, but you have softened up a bit what with 'your indulgences' and all through the years. I can understand with your background why 'Mercury' would sound attractive to you, but lets get back down to earth.
Its a 50-140......WHAT were you thinkin'?

[Ranger99]

didn't brownells at one time have
a "slim" mercury-filled recoil reducer
made just for putting in the forward
portion of the stocks
of bolt action rifles?


wouldn't that do what you want?


if you can find one for sale, i use
the old mercury-filled stabilzers
on my bows. maybe you could adapt one.
another option?

[Victor3]

 With my (adequate) understanding of physics, I can't see how a mercury-filled dampener could work better than a solid, fixed insert of the same weight.


 If anyone can 'splain to me why one would be more effective, I'd sure appreciate it.

[AtlLaw]

you have softened up a bit what with 'your indulgences' and all through the years.

SAY WHAT!?       
 

Its a 50-140......WHAT were you thinkin'?

Well,    It seemed like a good idea at the time...    But that's what I get for hanging around with the wrong crowd.     Tim has always been a bad influence on me and has led me astray more then once!   
 

didn't brownells at one time have a "slim" mercury-filled recoil reducer made just for putting in the forward portion of the stocks

I checked Brownell's but didn't see anything like that but I wasn't really looking for it either.  Thanks for the tip... and the bow stabilizer also! 
 

If anyone can 'splain to me why one would be more effective, I'd sure appreciate it.

Ya know, I don't understand it either!      

[Tractorsaw1]

Didn't another member add weight to the forend & it broke off?  Thought I seen a post about that.

[quickdtoo]

Didn't another member add weight to the forend & it broke off?  Thought I seen a post about that.

Yup, there's a warning in the FAQs on it, the forend stud isn't attached all that good....

A work around would be to drill and tap the base of the stud/barrel and add a couple screws, I've done this, it takes some small headed screws, but works.  A fella could weld it too I suppose with the right type welder.

Tim


CAUTION ON ADDING WEIGHT TO THE FOREND

[gcrank1]

Or just 'Man Up'  and take it!
Really, using some techniques for shooting heavy kickers did as much for me as anything, like Dont Shoot Off the Bench but offhand so your body can roll with the recoil.

[Ten Ring]

Most good actors have a double that do their dirty work.

[YRUpunting?]

Most good actors have a double that do their dirty work.

That's going to be one real starving artist to take this gig.

[petemi]

Richard, it seems to me the easy way out would be to simply cast a lead stock set

Pete

[AtlLaw]

 

Didn't another member add weight to the forend & it broke off?

I remember and thought of that.  But, in my current "sharp as a rock" state, I says to myself, "self... just back the reducer up to the frame and it will absorb the recoil induced pressure!"  The fact, well known to me, that the force will be in the opposite direction of the recoil didn't dawn on me until last night... 
 

Yup, ... drill and tap the base of the stud/barrel and add a couple screws, I've done this, it takes some small headed screws, but works.

Now there's a thought I'd forgotten!     And if Tim says it works it's a viable possability.  I guess I'll wait 'till I get the stock and forearm from a former site sponsor.  The (walnut) forarm will be in the English heavy single shot style so I'll have to wait and see how much room I have.     Or just add it to the stock instead... 
 

Or just 'Man Up' ... Don't Shoot Off the Bench

Now, I hate to rain on your, and Ten Ring's and YRUpunting's, parade,       but I have shot 10 or 12 rounds off the bench trying to sight in a scope.  I don't think the recoil was as bad as my 3.5 inch 12 gauge!     But then I was only shooting 450 gr. jacketed - 470 gr. cast bullets at around 2K fps.     I've gotten nowhere near Tim's 570 gr. jacketed @ 2200 fps load!     I figure the only time I'll do that is when I regulate the express sights!  I'm even willing to dispense with load development on that one!   

 

simply cast a lead stock set

Ah!  Leave it to Pete to come up with the ultimately practical, impractical solution!   

[bstarling]

A few years ago, I built my version of this device. http://www.instructables.com/id/Recoil-Reducer/ Actually, it seems to extend the recoil force over a bit longer period of time and lessens the intensity of the shock. Mine was much shorter than the one in the article and made using 3/4 hard copper. I made a piston from a hunk of lead filled steel and dampened it with ATF. I'ts on a 35 Whelen shooting full house 250 grain bullets and has notably less recoil, by far than my 8mm mauser shooting 150 grain loads.


Bill


LINK: [size=78%] [/size]http://www.instructables.com/id/Recoil-Reducer/

[mechanic]

I shot a 50 BMG once  that has gas piston dampeners to absorb recoil.  It only hurt a little that way......sorta like a baseball bat to the shoulder.  So you could just order a stock from Barrett...not much difference in your gun and his otherwise..
 
Ben

[canon6]

I have one in my Mauser scout rifle.Even with my bad shoulder it makes shooting full house 308's comfortable, and since i usually shoot surplus 7.62x51 I can actually enjoy shooting it.  Doug

[bikerbeans]

Richard,
 
Just shoot trail boss in your 510 AtlLaw Express.  Recoil problem will be solved and you will still get the big boolit "WOW" factor from anybody watchin' you shoot.  Keep a hot load or two available in case some "range pest" wants to shoot your big boomer.
 
BTW, I would very much like to see your 510AE at the Ohio Spring Shoot.  Will it fit crossways on your handlebars.
 
BB

[AtlLaw]

I would very much like to see your 510AE at the Ohio Spring Shoot.  Will it fit crossways on your handlebars.

Ah Tom... Great minds think alike!     I was thinking that would be the one rifle I would be sure to bring!   
 
Unfortunately:
a) I wouldn't make that trip on a bike anymore.     Even if I could see outa both eyes! and
b) I'm meeting more resistance from Kathie then I anticipated.     Still working on it though!     I can't wait till I'm grown and can make my own decisions!   

[gcrank1]

Tell her its her vacation from you?

[AtlLaw]

Tell her its her vacation from you?

Why heck no!     She'd come also!  Mostly because she'd have to drive after dark...  Or if I'd been over served... I think that's what she's worried about... 

[bikerbeans]

I would very much like to see your 510AE at the Ohio Spring Shoot.  Will it fit crossways on your handlebars.

Ah Tom... Great minds think alike!     I was thinking that would be the one rifle I would be sure to bring!   
 
Unfortunately:
a) I wouldn't make that trip on a bike anymore.     Even if I could see outa both eyes! and
b) I'm meeting more resistance from Kathie then I anticipated.     Still working on it though!     I can't wait till I'm grown and can make my own decisions!   

Richard,
 
Growing up is way overrated.  I personally believe that once I accepted being immature all my problems went away, but I don't think the same can be said for my friends and family.
I was in the Navy and am no familiar with your army terminology.  What does "over served" mean?
 
Will it help your case if I bring pulled pork, slaw and sweet tea?
 
BB

[jeepmann1948]

"over served" is a politically correct term for  we used to call shi* faced drunk

[bikerbeans]

"over served" is a politically correct term for  we used to call shi* faced drunk

 
Jeep,
 
In Navyese that translates into "three sheets to the wind".  I can't tell you how I know that.
 
BB
 
Hey, this might be a record, almost 30 responses and we never once strayed off topic.

[AtlLaw]

My Daddy always said "three sheets to the wind!"  He was in the Navy in WWI.  Got torpedoed off France in '17 or '18...  Can't remember which.    He told me about it once... when he was three... well, you know...
 
Anyway, I am still bugging Kathie about coming to the shoot.  Just this afternoon as a matter of fact.  Her reaction was, well, luke warm to say the least.     Do ya think I ought to put my foot down and say "WOMAN!  I'm going. (period) You can come if you want!   
 
 

[Ten Ring]

If you tell her like you typed it you may need anouther type of recoil buffer.
Jim