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DHS Raids Gun Collector – Confiscates Nearly 1,500 Guns – No Charges Filed    20130202-103003.jpgOn Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security, along with a SWAT team and Bernalillo County sheriff’s deputies raided the home of Robert Adams in Albuquerque, New Mexico and, according to a federal search warrant affidavit the raid seized nearly 1,500 firearms from the man’s home and business. However, no charges have been filed against him, despite the fact that court documents reveal that agents had been watching Adams for years.
 
By Wednesday afternoon dozens of rifles were hauled out of the house, bagged as evidence and laid out on the lawn.
According to search warrants that were filed on Thursday Homeland Security Investigations confiscated nearly 900 firearms from Adams’ home, 548 handguns and 317 rifles. They also seized 599 pistols and revolvers from his office.
Neighbors say that he was a firearms collector and some indicated that he was also a licensed gun seller. No confirmation of that has been forthcoming.
  While having been watched for years and no charges filed as they seized Adam’s firearms, Federal investigators are saying that they are investigating him for gun smuggling, tax evasion, violating importation laws.
KRQE reports,
 
Court documents reveal federal agents were watching Adams for years and that some documentation was missing “to determine to whom Adams
[was] selling or exporting his firearms.”
The guns were also not properly marked possibly to make the guns more valuable and to avoid paying high import taxes, investigators alleged.
However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement. The search warrant also said Adams was investigated in Canada for keeping about 80 illegal guns in a storage unit. U.S. agents worked with Canadian police on that case.
Kurt Nimmo points out, “New Mexico does not regulate or specifically restrict the possession of firearms. Owners are not required to register or license firearms with the state.
 
“No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms,” Article 2, Section 6 of the state constitution reads.
“Gun collectors are protected under the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986,” Nimmo writes. “The law states that a firearms dealer is defined as a person who is selling guns for profit or livelihood. Unlicensed individuals are allowed to sell firearms from their private collection without performing a background check on the buyer.”
 
Something seriously smells here. How can you be investigated for years, yet upon serving a search warrant you don’t put forth any charges against a man when you confiscate nearly 1,500 firearms? I wish they had taken this kind of approach to the Obama Justice Department’s gunwalking program that trafficked nearly 2,500 firearms across the border into Mexico that has left hundreds dead. No one is claiming that the firearms that Adams had were used in any crime!
So much for the Obama administration’s claims that they aren’t against gun collectors. Sports shooters and hunters, you’re up next.
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 05:43:38 AM »
It's beginning folks. Bet we will continue to see more of these raids against law abiding citizens just because they have large gun collections. 
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 06:20:58 AM »
It's beginning folks. Bet we will continue to see more of these raids against law abiding citizens just because they have large gun collections.
I believe you are right about this beginning to happen more and more.
But I doubt that we will be hearing about it much.
 

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 07:42:56 AM »
Yep, this is the beginning of it.  Deleted for flaming Mod.

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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 08:15:38 AM »
i didn't see any mention of the
age of the firearms. of course,
some of the older ones may not
have a serial number.
if there is no evil intent, why did
they bust in on him?
if there was, why is he not arrested?
if he's not breaking the law, it's nobodys
business how many firearms or how
much ammo he has.
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 08:51:37 AM »
If everything is in order how long will it be for him to get every item back??   My answer   NEVER !!
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 09:24:47 AM »
I'd say that guy was up to no good.  I'm sure the agents had a lot more information than was released.  Also, an arrest at the time of a raid isn't always the way police work.  The surprise raid may have been neccessity to keep the dude from hiding or disposing of evidence.  I see nothing in the article to get excited about.  Will wait for further developments. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 02:32:04 PM »
I'd say that guy was up to no good. 

Based on what?

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 02:55:21 PM »
Maybe I'm way out of date on things, but I thought ATF was the agency that was concerned with guns.  Why would homeland security have anything to do with it unless this guy is some kind of terrorist?
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 06:06:56 PM »
I'd say that guy was up to no good.  I'm sure the agents had a lot more information than was released.  Also, an arrest at the time of a raid isn't always the way police work.  The surprise raid may have been neccessity to keep the dude from hiding or disposing of evidence.  I see nothing in the article to get excited about.  Will wait for further developments.

You sure seem to side with government tryanny at every turn. Why is that? Do you not believe the Second Amendment means what it says is is there for just this sort of government abuse?


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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2013, 10:13:44 PM »
i didn't see any mention of the
age of the firearms. of course,
some of the older ones may not
have a serial number.

if there is no evil intent, why did
they bust in on him?
if there was, why is he not arrested?
if he's not breaking the law, it's nobodys
business how many firearms or how
much ammo he has.


 There's nothing illegal about owning a gun without a serial number if it never had one from the manufacturer.
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 12:59:04 AM »
i would guess that if he was holding 80 illegal guns in a storage unit in canada that he was up to selling them to criminal end use persons. and i would also guess that as the quoted court document says exportation is what brings about other govt dept involvment. clealy this was not treasured family heirlooms. granted this is all my own opinion but that isn't unique here. i would not support ANY gun owner that is furnishing arms for crime
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Re: DHS raids gun collector, confiscates 1,500 guns, no charges filed.
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 02:41:23 AM »
You can bet the farm after a high profile raid like this the govt. will find SOMETHING to charge this guy with,trumped up or not.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 03:58:47 AM »
GB, no sir, I don't side with gov't tyranny at all, but I was a cop 32 years and I'm sure that such a "gun grab" had a basis.  I hope the nation is not so far gon that cops would be sent in to make such a huge illegal bust.  That article left a lot of information out.  I don't convict the guy in my mind, but I'm sure suspicious that he was up to no good and probably had been for a long time.  Someone, not me, might follow the story for the whole truth.  I say "not me" because I can see through the fog of theory that folks here like to turn into reality.
   

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 04:03:23 AM »
I can find NO article whatsoever in ABQ Journal or being reported on any local Albuquerque news stations validating this internet story.  You would think a story this big would not only be reported but would be lead story especially from a local source.

I'm skeptical,

believe it when I see it in local newsprint or reported on an Albuquerque news station.
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 04:31:26 AM »
I can find NO article whatsoever in ABQ Journal or being reported on any local Albuquerque news stations validating this internet story.  You would think a story this big would not only be reported but would be lead story especially from a local source.

I'm skeptical,

believe it when I see it in local newsprint or reported on an Albuquerque news station.
Try this link.    It is a legit local ABC affiliate.      http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/Federal-agents-seize-1-500-firearms-from-home/-/9153728/18379438/-/lawiskz/-/index.html
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 05:15:55 AM »
I can find NO article whatsoever in ABQ Journal or being reported on any local Albuquerque news stations validating this internet story.  You would think a story this big would not only be reported but would be lead story especially from a local source.

I'm skeptical,

believe it when I see it in local newsprint or reported on an Albuquerque news station.
Try this link.    It is a legit local ABC affiliate.      http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/Federal-agents-seize-1-500-firearms-from-home/-/9153728/18379438/-/lawiskz/-/index.html

Thank you for link

Says he is being investigated for gun smuggling, tax evasion and record keeping violations. An affidavit alleges Adams smuggled hundreds of handguns, rifles and accessories into the country from Canada to evade taxes.
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