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Sneaky Texas school curriculum..teaches kids communism is good while free market is evil.. 
http://www.txcscopereview.com/2013/cscope-promotes-communism/
It is a "secret" curriculum..and parents are not supposed to know about it!  In fact, the teachers have to sign a "gag order" that they won't blow the teaching commies cover..
 
   http://www.redhotconservative.com/cscope-gag-order/
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 08:23:25 AM »
Ironglow,
Please do a little further research than the just info from a far, far right site that just seems intent on whipping up hysteria for some weird reason. Please read the following in detail for the details.


http://www.cscope.us/012913.html


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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 08:39:11 AM »
Ironglow,
Please do a little further research than the just info from a far, far right site that just seems intent on whipping up hysteria for some weird reason. Please read the following in detail for the details.


http://www.cscope.us/012913.html


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  An article from the cscope promoters..
  A couple from cscope detractors..
     ...reader take their choice...     ...Or do some research on their own.
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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 09:14:11 AM »
More:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/irving-schools-muslim-bias_n_2288601.html
http://beardocs.baylor.edu/xmlui/handle/2104/8231
http://www.canyonisd.net/Page/634


Now here is some of the "secret" stuff:


http://www.cscope.us/samples.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Hc6JV28B4
https://www.esc5.net/programs/CSCOPE.aspx


It does not appear to be perfect, none of these things are but it sure is not some planned brainwashing of Texas students to become communist or an Obama plot. Get over it.
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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 09:32:56 AM »
More:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/irving-schools-muslim-bias_n_2288601.html
http://beardocs.baylor.edu/xmlui/handle/2104/8231
http://www.canyonisd.net/Page/634


Now here is some of the "secret" stuff:


http://www.cscope.us/samples.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Hc6JV28B4
https://www.esc5.net/programs/CSCOPE.aspx


It does not appear to be perfect, none of these things are but it sure is not some planned brainwashing of Texas students to become communist or an Obama plot. Get over it.
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  Do you deny that the curriculum elevates communism over the free market?
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 09:45:27 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
"Do you deny that the curriculum elevates communism over the free market?"


I looked at several "ultra-conservative sites" that make some kind of claims a you say. I did not see anything referencing that, please show me the specifics in the lesson plans that state "communism is better that the free market". I did see where learning about socialism and communism is part of it. Are you telling me that an educated student should know anything about socialism and communism?
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 11:50:20 AM »
Everyone thinks their little Johnny is getting the best education at the hands of government. Our education system, I believe is the main reason for the down fall of this country. We have failed because we let government use a pack of liberals to indoctrinate our young. We are no longer a Republic, because kids coming out of school today, don't even know what one is.   
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 12:45:46 PM »
Everyone thinks their little Johnny is getting the best education at the hands of government. Our education system, I believe is the main reason for the down fall of this country. We have failed because we let government use a pack of liberals to indoctrinate our young. We are no longer a Republic, because kids coming out of school today, don't even know what one is.   
Yep,  broken homes, parents who don't care, abuse in the home, drugs, gangs- none of these have anything to do with the downfall.  I see no reason why an abused kid , whose parents are on drugs and doesn't supervise their child, can't come to school ready to learn.
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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 12:57:08 PM »
Schools are a reflection of our society, not the other way around. Please don't blame educators for whatever failings you see in society. As an educator, I don't have any choice about what I teach. The state department of education mandates what I teach (called educational standards) and my school district mandates the curriculum I use to teach those standards.
 
If you don't like what is being taught in your local schools, you have options. Ranting on the internet isn't one that will help kids or our society. Talk with the teacher first....in a rational manner. Notice I didn't say scream. That doesn't accomplish anything. If you aren't satisfied with that conversation, talk to his adminstrator. At some point, if you so choose, you can (usually) confront the school board. All board members have email addresses. They are elected officials and are held accountable by the voters; at least they should be, if we have voters that choose to educate themselves about the candidates. If enough people feel as you do, then things can usually change... if our elected officials are responsive to their constituents. I think that's how change happens in a republic.
 
Truthfully, to say that I have more influence over a student than his parents is insulting to the great number of truly fine parents out there. There are many students whose parents don't have great skills. For the children of those parents, their peers have much more influence over them than I do.
 
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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »

Yep,  broken homes, parents who don't care, abuse in the home, drugs, gangs- none of these have anything to do with the downfall.  I see no reason why an abused kid , whose parents are on drugs and doesn't supervise their child, can't come to school ready to learn.
Hey, you just described obamas agenda. 
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Re: Do you know where your children are..do you know what they are studying?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 03:42:00 AM »
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Schools are a reflection of our society, not the other way around. Please don't blame educators for whatever failings you see in society. As an educator, I don't have any choice about what I teach. The state department of education mandates what I teach (called educational standards) and my school district mandates the curriculum I use to teach those standards.
 
If you don't like what is being taught in your local schools, you have options. Ranting on the internet isn't one that will help kids or our society. Talk with the teacher first....in a rational manner. Notice I didn't say scream. That doesn't accomplish anything. If you aren't satisfied with that conversation, talk to his adminstrator. At some point, if you so choose, you can (usually) confront the school board. All board members have email addresses. They are elected officials and are held accountable by the voters; at least they should be, if we have voters that choose to educate themselves about the candidates. If enough people feel as you do, then things can usually change... if our elected officials are responsive to their constituents. I think that's how change happens in a republic.
 
Truthfully, to say that I have more influence over a student than his parents is insulting to the great number of truly fine parents out there. There are many students whose parents don't have great skills. For the children of those parents, their peers have much more influence over them than I do.
 
Education is not the enemy of society. In history, many individuals have said that it is...communists and jihadists come to mind.
VERY well said Gomerdog.
Far too many 'parents' have no clue what is going on in thier childs classroom and when they suddenly see something that they don't approve of are eager to attack the teacher. It takes a responsible parent to help a good teacher do his or her thankless job. It takes a parent that has a working relationship with their childs' teacher. That knows thier childs' teacher and is eager to regularly meet with said teacher and be actively involved in thier childs' every day school work. Far too many teachers are used as convenient baby sitters. I feel that only parents that are actively involved with the school and the teachers have any right to complain about anything that goes on in the class room.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 04:16:02 AM »
Everyone thinks their little Johnny is getting the best education at the hands of government. Our education system, I believe is the main reason for the down fall of this country. We have failed because we let government use a pack of liberals to indoctrinate our young. We are no longer a Republic, because kids coming out of school today, don't even know what one is.   
Yep,  broken homes, parents who don't care, abuse in the home, drugs, gangs- none of these have anything to do with the downfall.  I see no reason why an abused kid , whose parents are on drugs and doesn't supervise their child, can't come to school ready to learn.
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  It doesn't matter if the child has faced all the problems you have listede...or if the child comes from a fine, settled and stable home and family...they are all subjected to trhe same stupid indoctrination and and "political correctness".. (read liberal censorship).
    Here are some of the examples of stupidity making the rounds in public schools:
 
  Six year old child gets labeled "terrorist" and threatened with prosecution if she "trespasses on school grounds..because of a toy plastic gun..     http://blurbrain.com/six-year-old-naomi-mckinney-expelled-for-toy-gun/
 
   A "Hello Kitty" bubble gun gets a 5 year old ..10 day suspension..and she didn't even have the bubble gun with her!! ..But it does have in her permanent record, a statement that she is an emotionally disturbed person!! 
   Watch the 2 minute video..it would be hilarious if it wasn't endangering the future of this child..
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CVk9O2_Vm0
   
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 04:30:45 AM »
   Here's an entire list of stupid moves; most of them aimed at psychologically emasculating boys..   
   Again; these instances of "adult mind lapse" would be funny, were they not so damaging to the children they purport to be "educating"..
           Read and laugh; then weep. :'(
 
      Zero Tolerance or Zero Common Sense?  By Phyllis Schlafly

     Parents are laughing at the intolerance of the zero tolerance rules that have been instituted in so many public schools. Laughing, that is, unless it is their own sons who are victimized by policies that seem to lack common sense.
It’s a serious matter when a good kid is expelled from school, suspended, or sent to a detention facility to take classes with real delinquents. Here are some recent examples of how the zero tolerance hatchet is wielded in public schools.

A first grader at Struthers Elementary school in Youngstown, OH, was suspended for ten days for taking a plastic knife home from the school cafeteria in his book bag. The six-year-old wasn’t threatening anyone; he just wanted to show his mother he had learned how to spread butter on his bread.

A third grader at O’Rourke Elementary School in Mobile, AL, was given a five-day suspension for violating the substance abuse policy after classmates reported that he took a “purple pill.” His offense was taking a multivitamin with his lunch.

At LaSalle Middle School in Greeley, CO, three 13-year-old boys were given one-year suspensions because one of the students brought to school a key chain from which dangled a 2-1/2-inch laser pointer. The school called it a “firearm facsimile” and sent one of the boys (a good student who had never before been in trouble) to an alternative program where he is taking classes with young criminals and juvenile delinquents in “anger management,” “conflict resolution” and gangs.

Four kindergartners at Wilson Elementary School in Sayreville, NJ, were suspended for three days for playing a make-believe game of cops and robbers during recess, using their fingers as guns. This case is now before the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.

When seven 4th-grade boys (who had never previously been in trouble) at Dry Creek Elementary School in Colorado were discovered pointing “finger guns” at each other while playing a game of soldiers and aliens during recess, the principal found them in violation of the school’s zero tolerance policy. After quizzing them about whether their parents owned guns, she required them to serve a one-week detention during lunchtime, sitting in the hall where they were teased and taunted by other students.

An eight-year-old at South Elementary school in Jonesboro, AR, was punished with detention for pointing a chicken strip at another student in the cafeteria while saying “pow, pow, pow.”

A seven-year-old at the Edgewood Independent School District in San Antonio, TX, was banished for eleven days to an “alternative school” for troubled students when he was caught bringing a pocket knife to school. For three days, he was the only first grader at the facility among older students guilty of serious offenses.

A 12-year-old at Magoffin Middle School in El Paso stuck out his tongue at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School administrators called this sexual harassment and suspended him for three days.

When the Fred A. Anderson Elementary School in Bayboro, NC, held a Camouflage Day, a nine-year-old proudly came in his new duck-hunting outfit. His joy was smashed when the teacher discovered an empty shotgun shell in his pocket left over from a weekend outing with his father, and punished the straight-A kid with a five-day suspension.

In Hurst, Texas, a 16-year-old honor student was expelled from high school after a security guard found a butter knife in the bed of his pickup truck parked on the school grounds. The knife apparently fell out of a box of household items he and his father had transported the previous day from his grandmother’s home to a local Goodwill store.
School officials claimed that the butter knife was a danger to other students and placed him in a disciplinary alternative school for five days.

Two eight-year-old boys who pointed paper guns at classmates in Irvington, NJ were charged with “making terrorist threats.” A judge ultimately dismissed their case, but the incident may remain on court records until the boys are 18.

In a North Carolina pre-school called Kids Gym Schoolhouse, the state evaluator deducted five points from its high rating because plastic soldiers were found in the play area. The toys were said to “reflect stereotyping and violence and can be potentially dangerous if children use them to act out violent themes.”

Zero tolerance is not protecting us from terrorists or criminals. It is making good kids disrespect school authorities.
Almost all zero tolerance rulings punish boys. Boys are also the victims of the current fad to eliminate recess and build new schools without playgrounds.

It’s beginning to look as though these fads can’t be mere stupidity. By banning games boys like to play and preventing them from running off their excess energy during recess, this nonsense may be part of the feminist agenda to try to make little boys behave like little girls.
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 04:31:48 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
"  Six year old child gets labeled "terrorist" and threatened with prosecution if she "trespasses on school grounds..because of a toy plastic gun..     http://blurbrain.com/six-year-old-naomi-mckinney-expelled-for-toy-gun/
   A "Hello Kitty" bubble gun gets a 5 year old ..10 day suspension..and she didn't even have the bubble gun with her!! ..But it does have in her permanent record, a statement that she is an emotionally disturbed person!! 
   Watch the 2 minute video..it would be hilarious if it wasn't endangering the future of this child..
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CVk9O2_Vm0


The policy that caused the above were either developed by or at least approved by THE LOCALLY ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD!
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 04:40:45 AM »
So; why isn't the "noble sisterhood" of the teacher's unions speaking up against these assinine developments?  Don't the unmions even have a clue as to how ridiculous they look?
 
  The "feminization" of the public schools is a move by the Dept of Education..in league and by consent of the unions...  That's where "common sense" should rule..  That's where 1st amendment rights should protected, and not be abridged or destroyed by "political correctness"...
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 06:56:04 AM »
Everyone thinks their little Johnny is getting the best education at the hands of government. Our education system, I believe is the main reason for the down fall of this country. We have failed because we let government use a pack of liberals to indoctrinate our young. We are no longer a Republic, because kids coming out of school today, don't even know what one is.   

 
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2013, 07:06:47 AM »
So; why isn't the "noble sisterhood" of the teacher's unions speaking up against these assinine developments?  Don't the unmions even have a clue as to how ridiculous they look?
 
  The "feminization" of the public schools is a move by the Dept of Education..in league and by consent of the unions...  That's where "common sense" should rule..  That's where 1st amendment rights should protected, and not be abridged or destroyed by "political correctness"...
Tell me- How do you know they haven't?
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2013, 12:06:34 PM »
As an educator, I don't have any choice about what I teach. The state department of education mandates what I teach.   

My point exactly, and as I stated government has used a pack of liberals, and liberal ideas to educate our young.  IG has mentioned some of liberal ideas like the semi retarded zero tolerance policies. Then we have the stupid idea of nobody is smarter than anyone else or in a simple gym class no one, or team is better than the other so we won't keep any score. Then when these kids get into the real world, we wonder why they can't function, or wonder why they commit murder, or suicide. Losing once in a while is what builds character. Knowing you are not as good or as smart as someone else is what makes people try harder.
then we have our kids saturated with diversity indoctrination, and equality. Which is part of socialism, where everyone is the same. For some of you that haven't figured it out yet, everyone isn't the same.     
Teachers are not all the problem, but they certainly are part of it. When has any teacher spoke out for privatized schools? Instead they belong to a big powerful unions, that are backed by the government, that is the rest of the problem. Teacher unions fight for every nickel and dime they can squeeze out of tax payers, with no say so from the tax payers. Then these unions protect incompetence, and teachers that have no business teaching. You teachers want to look better in the public eye. Dump the stinking unions. Its also a fact that the majority of teachers vote for politicians like Obama, or anyone else that is going to get them more goodies from the public trough.

Kimber I wonder what these drug addicted, abusing, not caring, no good parents would be like if the Holy Bible was still a required text book when they themselves were in school? Government and their band of liberals have created many of societies problems, but then claim " we didn't do it" "Its not our fault"  Look at the bright side when kids move on to college, they are further indoctrinated by liberal professors.
If you want to see the results of government run schools and over run liberalism in colleges, just look at the basic intelligence of our society today.  Again, our pathetic education system is the main reason we are failing as a nation.       
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2013, 12:57:20 PM »
As an educator, I don't have any choice about what I teach. The state department of education mandates what I teach.   

My point exactly, and as I stated government has used a pack of liberals, and liberal ideas to educate our young.  IG has mentioned some of liberal ideas like the semi retarded zero tolerance policies. Then we have the stupid idea of nobody is smarter than anyone else or in a simple gym class no one, or team is better than the other so we won't keep any score. Then when these kids get into the real world, we wonder why they can't function, or wonder why they commit murder, or suicide. Losing once in a while is what builds character. Knowing you are not as good or as smart as someone else is what makes people try harder.
then we have our kids saturated with diversity indoctrination, and equality. Which is part of socialism, where everyone is the same. For some of you that haven't figured it out yet, everyone isn't the same.     
Teachers are not all the problem, but they certainly are part of it. When has any teacher spoke out for privatized schools? Instead they belong to a big powerful unions, that are backed by the government, that is the rest of the problem. Teacher unions fight for every nickel and dime they can squeeze out of tax payers, with no say so from the tax payers. Then these unions protect incompetence, and teachers that have no business teaching. You teachers want to look better in the public eye. Dump the stinking unions. Its also a fact that the majority of teachers vote for politicians like Obama, or anyone else that is going to get them more goodies from the public trough.

Kimber I wonder what these drug addicted, abusing, not caring, no good parents would be like if the Holy Bible was still a required text book when they themselves were in school? Government and their band of liberals have created many of societies problems, but then claim " we didn't do it" "Its not our fault"  Look at the bright side when kids move on to college, they are further indoctrinated by liberal professors.
If you want to see the results of government run schools and over run liberalism in colleges, just look at the basic intelligence of our society today.  Again, our pathetic education system is the main reason we are failing as a nation.       
So many of ur facts are wrong. We have discussed this many times, but the same erroneous facts are continually spewed out. I'll not waste my time to tell you how things really work in the educational system, because you aren't ready to listen. I'll just say that many of you suppositions are just plain wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2013, 01:17:33 PM »
Hey thats fine with me Kimber. Just take your ball and go home.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 06:47:36 AM »
I sent my son to private schools till he was in the 11th grade.  He went to a Montasori International, then to a Chatholic School. I knew what they were teaching.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 07:02:10 AM »
If these folks are so concerned about this curriculum and it is so secret why don't they burn some vacation time and sit in on the classes and actually hear and see what is being taught?
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 08:16:31 AM »
If these folks are so concerned about this curriculum and it is so secret why don't they burn some vacation time and sit in on the classes and actually hear and see what is being taught?
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I agree. The opportunity to do so is generally granted if you make arrangements with an administrator and a teacher. Just don't show up at school and expect to walk into any classroom of your choice at any time. Walking past the front office without checking in and receiving a visitor's ID will get the cops called real quickly. There is nothing sinister and secret about public education. The standards for each state are on websites for all to read. Or find your local district's website and look for a link to something like curriculum and instruction.
 
Here is a link to the standards that are being taught in my district.
 
http://www.landerschools.org/curriculum/
 
Go down to "Curriculum Standards" and click on any subject area to see what is being taught. Yes, we are being held accountable (with test scores) for what we teach. Math and Language Arts are under "Common Core State Standards."
 
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 08:55:34 AM »
In reality communism in a pure form would be best . But the fact that men will always seek advantage over other men has proven communism will not work. Capitalism is not a fair system but is the best man has come up with to date . Why ? because shareing wealth only works when each person shares the work. Capitalism offers a way to keep score for working/producing leveling the advantages as best they can be leveled.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 11:32:02 AM »
For the amount of money we spend per student shouldn't we be near the top in educating our children? There is enough data out there stating otherwise. Everything I hear from the teachers, government, and the teacher unions, is that we need more money for education. Are we not near, or at the top in spending for education, compared to other countries? How is lack of money a problem?
I guess the bar must not be set to high as far as accountability for test scores. When the standard is lowered, everything looks great.
Why do I need to sit in a classroom to see what is taught when the results are so easy to see? Its not so much as what is being taught, its what isn't being taught. Look at society today. Do you think people have been taught what they need to know to remain a free people? Or even what they need to know to succeed? Just look at the financial aspects that kids don't know. Saving, budgeting, paying bills, investing, frugality. Just look at the personal debt in this country. Think many of them know anything about financial responsibility? 
How about critical thinking? Today kids are taught to be robots, to just listen to the teacher and not question, to accept what they are told, and don't think. A unquestioning, naive, ignorant citizen. Just the way our politicians what society. The fact is,  kids today are not learning what is needed to survive life itself.     
Hey, I do fully understand. If I was part of the education system, I'd certainly claim there is nothing wrong with it too. Or if I was one of the liberals promoting the garbage taught today, what ever could be wrong?
Some of you can deny all you want, but what you see of society today, is the results of government run indoctrination, called education.

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2013, 11:45:31 AM »
DDZ,
From your post you DO NEED TO SIT IN ON SOME SCHOOL CLASSES. Most of what you posted is not representative of the schools I work in. You are wrong sir, especially about kids being taught to be robots and not think for themselves. Many of the conservatives want critical thinking removed from the schools, not the libs. Texas tried to mandate the removal of teaching critical thinking skills. Concerning teaching of personal finance. Most of my schools require at least a semester class of just that. The Dave Ramsey material is now commonly used and that is quite conservative but very good overall. The problem is that people have to be willing to use what they are taught and that is not always the case. Do you and us a favor by spending some time at your local high school, I think you will come out with some different views than what you are currently spouting.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2013, 12:49:14 PM »
Guzzi I think I'm right, and you think you are right. I do think because of your political views, and the fact you are part of the education system, your views are slanted. Are you referring to conservatives as Republicans? I don't consider many republicans conservative anymore. I see the whole mess as just government, that does not function for the best interests of the people. They are just government reaching for power to fuel their best interests. Making education the way they want it, is just one of their tools for gaining power. Think about it. What better way is there for a government to gain power over people, if the people are ignorant. I'm not talking reading, math, and science. Its ignorance of things people need to know to be productive and remain free. I'm really not arguing that we don't have book smart people. Its just that to many don't seem to have a lick of common sense anymore. Or sense enough to function in the real world.     

State run schools do not have the freedom to teach as they see fit. I'm not disagreeing there are good teachers, because I know there are. Its like every profession their are good and bad. Not every profession though has powerful unions backed by government protecting every person that walks through the door. As I said earlier, if teachers want to have more creditability, get rid of the union.
The product coming out of schools today is enough to know that the system is broken. Again there is no need to sit in a class room.
If schools are doing so well, why are we near the top in spending per student, but down in the pack academically?

This article was written in 05, but nothing much in education has changed since then.     


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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 12:57:48 PM »
There is no doubt our schools aren't perfect. I would invite any of you who have obvious negative feelings about today's education and really want to do more than place blame and spread falsehoods and innuendo to make arrangements to visit classrooms in your area to see for yourself what really happens there. If you are retired and are able, you might consider volunteering, especially in the younger grades. That's where children's foundation for learning is created, and you just might make a difference. Many schools have "grandparent programs." You will have to have a background check, but the schools generally pay for that, and it doesn't really take very long.
 
If not...well, I guess you can continue to badmouth something you really haven't much knowledge about.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2013, 01:23:50 PM »
There is no doubt our schools aren't perfect. I would invite any of you who have obvious negative feelings about today's education and really want to do more than place blame and spread falsehoods and innuendo to make arrangements to visit classrooms in your area to see for yourself what really happens there.


I did. What I saw was appalling. I took my children out of public school and we began home schooling. Within a year they were testing a grade above their peers. Within two years they were two years ahead of their peers in all subjects. The trend continued right through their "12th grade" and on into college.

This isn't based on my perception, but on annual testing done by the school system...and they weren't happy about it! ;D
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2013, 03:30:55 PM »
There is no doubt our schools aren't perfect. I would invite any of you who have obvious negative feelings about today's education and really want to do more than place blame and spread falsehoods and innuendo to make arrangements to visit classrooms in your area to see for yourself what really happens there.



I did. What I saw was appalling. I took my children out of public school and we began home schooling. Within a year they were testing a grade above their peers. Within two years they were two years ahead of their peers in all subjects. The trend continued right through their "12th grade" and on into college.

This isn't based on my perception, but on annual testing done by the school system...and they weren't happy about it! ;D
Cuts. I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm curious about 2 things. First - what did you find appalling ? Second - how did you teach the higher level courses in math and science such as geometry, calculus, trigonometry, chemistry, physics and biology?
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