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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2013, 02:02:51 AM »
There is no doubt our schools aren't perfect. I would invite any of you who have obvious negative feelings about today's education and really want to do more than place blame and spread falsehoods and innuendo to make arrangements to visit classrooms in your area to see for yourself what really happens there. If you are retired and are able, you might consider volunteering, especially in the younger grades. That's where children's foundation for learning is created, and you just might make a difference. Many schools have "grandparent programs." You will have to have a background check, but the schools generally pay for that, and it doesn't really take very long.
 
If not...well, I guess you can continue to badmouth something you really haven't much knowledge about.

I sat in school for K thru. 12 grade , one post grad year and 5 years of college (last three were while working a full time job). then taught trade school for 8 years . For the last 15 years I have helped with training at trade schools. I do believe I have a handle on what goes on the the schools here. What I see is education is big business. There will always be a call for more money . I see students graduated who cannot read a ruler . Can't fill out an application, who do not have a clue what their obligation as a voter is or as a jury in court. They show a lack of respect for those teaching them in many cases. It leads me to believe they are being brain washed to a degree. They are often taught to pass test not learn to think or even how to find information. Theu often lack the ablity to hand write a field report or even a time sheet to get paid. Many don't have a clue how to read and follow instructions.
Non on a personal note , when I visited my sons teacher I was told they would not be learning to do math on paper. I ask why and was told she did not see a value in it. The debate started . I explained how students who were going into construction needed to not only to be able to do math on paper but often in their head. This is what we see . Since I get involved with trade school and work many students as part of their education I get calls from schools with out a program asking if we can take a troubled student. Most are in trouble with the law , drugs or theft . I always ask do you want someone with a record comming to your home ? What I make of this is the education system has no clue what employers need . The education system is only a business that passes students up the ladder so colleges can turn a profit. I can't count the college students who had summer jobs with me who did not know what the "little" marks on the ruler ment  ::) . You can defend the education system all you want and I admit there are some who get an education but there are way to many who don't and become a burden on the rest of us.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2013, 02:36:22 AM »
School curricula is supposed to be "liberal." Anything else only teaches one side of an argument. The kids are taught BOTH sides. Without knowing both sides, no choice is possible.


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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2013, 03:06:10 AM »
School curricula is supposed to be "liberal." BS !Anything else only teaches one side of an argument.Liberal is one side last time I checked . The kids are taught BOTH sides.not very often Without knowing both sides, no choice is possible.some things choice is NA. math comees to mind , how to blance a check book , how to vote, responsiblity, honor , trust . History , tell the truth . Liberals came up with tell a lie enough times people will start to believe it.
BTW most students are liberal but life experinces tend to change the smart ones into consertives  ;)


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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2013, 03:19:58 AM »
Maybe I work in a weird place then. For example the largest high school I work for provides ag mechanics, auto mechanics, CAD, and house construction where they build a house each year. Students can also obtain their CNA and CMA nursing ratings while still in high school. The school has it's three Cs. Career readiness, college readiness and citizenship. All students have resumes by the end of their junior year and have been taught how to write employment cover letters, etc. so there is no excuse unless the student chooses not to use what they have been taught. All students also have to take the Work Keys test which is now becoming into wide use in industry to determine if general skills are in place for the work required. If they score too low they receive remedial instruction. All students have to participate in community volunteer activities. Not all students are expected to go to college but they are expected to obtain workplace skills. At least some schools are busting their butts to prepare these students.
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2013, 03:44:12 AM »
Over the years I have taught students of high school age who were educated in both public and Christian schools.  It does appear that as Shootall said, that the programs and contracts signed are much more concerned with the well being of the teachers and administrators, than the children.
  Often in my classes the youth are required to read a couple paragraphs, in which case the public school educated often struggle.  Why?  Well around here the elementary students are not taught to read by studying phonics, a manner which not only is the best preparation for reading , but is also a great aid in spelling.  Instead, public schools use what they speciously call "whole language"..which simply means "look at it and guess".  Now, that might make things easier for the teacher, but gives the student a lifetime of struggling with reading.
   Reading and spelling are obviously, a couple of the most basic necessities for learning..kids are getting short-changed right at the start..
  Recently; some schools have come out with the brilliant idea that they would no longer teach cursive writing.  I know teaching reading and writing correctly can be boring for the teacher..but schools are supposed to be there firstly, for the benefit of the students.
   Some even wanted to cut off the teaching of US history, prior to 1870.  I know the obvious importance of the Christian roots and the  basis of the constitution may be embarrassing for some of them, but they should be able to face the truth.
      I also attended schools during "grandparent's day".  Perhaps your school is different, but the one I attended upon at least 2 occasions was not a good representative.  I saw all types of courtesy/discipline breakdown..boys wearing hats in school, gum chewing, students chatting during teacher's lecture etc.
  One distressing feature was an apparent part of the curriculum, wherein the students were required to work as a group on a given problem or project.  The students working upon the given assignment were all given the same score at the end, everything hinging upon the least interested member of the group.  That person could draw down the scores of everyone else on the team..  Not right!
 
   A friend recently told me that as he signed his daughter into a college some lame-brain there had the audacity to tell him..  "Don't worry, if your daughter should need it, we have morning after pills freely available".
    He did as I would; he took that stupid statement as an insult; having brought his daughter up better than that!  All tolled it appears to me that today's educational system has not progressed, but rather regressed.
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2013, 06:20:58 AM »
I don't actually teach in the public school sector, but many of my students come from it.
Biggest difference I see is parental involvement. And it doesn't really seem to matter if public or private. If the parents aren't involved then the kid has problems. I suspect it's the same way with these school boards. No parent invovlement.
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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2013, 08:14:04 AM »
I don't actually teach in the public school sector, but many of my students come from it.
Biggest difference I see is parental involvement. And it doesn't really seem to matter if public or private. If the parents aren't involved then the kid has problems. I suspect it's the same way with these school boards. No parent invovlement.
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2013, 08:23:06 AM »
I don't actually teach in the public school sector, but many of my students come from it.
Biggest difference I see is parental involvement. And it doesn't really seem to matter if public or private. If the parents aren't involved then the kid has problems. I suspect it's the same way with these school boards. No parent invovlement.
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  Frankly; just as we can't blame the administration & teachers for all the failures of the education system, we also cannot blame all the failure on lack of parental involvement.
   As an analogy; if I am an auto mechanic, surveyor or cake baker..I should not necessarily have the one who hired me..looking over my shoulder.  In fact; in those cases it may be better if they are not leaning over my shoulder, but rather judge my work by the quality of it's output.  If I don't get that transmission fixed right..I can turn to somebody who does it right and never use that mechanic again.
  If the cake comes out gooey, the baker doesn't get paid..surveyor too, is either accomplishing the task with accuracy, or soon he will not have a job.  With the public education system however, parents don't have that option with those for whom they pay the bill.
  With most of us, our professional competence governs whether we work a given field or not..
 
  Of course, this all goes back to the OP with a question for both.. Do we know where our children are and what they are studying?
 
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2013, 08:33:54 AM »
I don't actually teach in the public school sector, but many of my students come from it.
Biggest difference I see is parental involvement. And it doesn't really seem to matter if public or private. If the parents aren't involved then the kid has problems. I suspect it's the same way with these school boards. No parent invovlement.
You are 100% correct.
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  OK..we hear all kind of lip service concerning "parental involvement"..  Just how cogent is that?  Do you mean if a prent were to go to the child's class and observe..then come up with suggestions such as ;
  No more reading by "guess at it" method, just teach phonics..
 
  In history, please consider teaching more on the foundation of the nation and the constitution..and a bit less on the riotous 1960s.
 
  Please teach these students common courtesy, and don't give allow any disrespect toward yourself or each other.
 
   Am I to expect for one moment that these suggestions will be acted upon?
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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2013, 08:36:51 AM »
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Schools are a reflection of our society, not the other way around. Please don't blame educators for whatever failings you see in society. As an educator, I don't have any choice about what I teach. The state department of education mandates what I teach (called educational standards) and my school district mandates the curriculum I use to teach those standards.
 
If you don't like what is being taught in your local schools, you have options. Ranting on the internet isn't one that will help kids or our society. Talk with the teacher first....in a rational manner. Notice I didn't say scream. That doesn't accomplish anything. If you aren't satisfied with that conversation, talk to his adminstrator. At some point, if you so choose, you can (usually) confront the school board. All board members have email addresses. They are elected officials and are held accountable by the voters; at least they should be, if we have voters that choose to educate themselves about the candidates. If enough people feel as you do, then things can usually change... if our elected officials are responsive to their constituents. I think that's how change happens in a republic.
 
Truthfully, to say that I have more influence over a student than his parents is insulting to the great number of truly fine parents out there. There are many students whose parents don't have great skills. For the children of those parents, their peers have much more influence over them than I do.
 
Education is not the enemy of society. In history, many individuals have said that it is...communists and jihadists come to mind.
VERY well said Gomerdog.
Far too many 'parents' have no clue what is going on in thier childs classroom and when they suddenly see something that they don't approve of are eager to attack the teacher. It takes a responsible parent to help a good teacher do his or her thankless job. It takes a parent that has a working relationship with their childs' teacher. That knows thier childs' teacher and is eager to regularly meet with said teacher and be actively involved in thier childs' every day school work. Far too many teachers are used as convenient baby sitters. I feel that only parents that are actively involved with the school and the teachers have any right to complain about anything that goes on in the class room.
BTW, thank you for what you do.

Thanks, Jim. You and Old Fart have hit the nail right on the head. When parents and teachers work together and demonstrate to children that education is important, they generally take their education seriously. They are respectful and give their best efforts. Disinterested parents and hostile parents provide their children with the message that teachers and school rules aren't to be respected and their time at school is to be tolerated at best and disruptive at worst. These students know there will be no consequences at home for their poor performance and behavior at school. Consequently, many students, once they leave school, lack any respect for any authority, getting into trouble with the law and with employers, leading to again to a cycle of similar behavior with their own children.
 
I have seen children coming from the worst home situations triumph over that environment, and that warms my heart. These kids understand what it will take for them to succeed and they are detemined to not let their circumstances lead to a lifetime of misery. Their parents often don't come to P/T conferences or intervention meetings, so they have to advocate for themselves, and they do so very well. But sadly, they are a very small percentage of kids at risk.
 
 
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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2013, 08:40:22 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
"  OK..we hear all kind of lip service concerning "parental involvement"..  Just how cogent is that?  Do you mean if a prent were to go to the child's class and observe..then come up with suggestions such as ;  No more reading by "guess at it" method, just teach phonics..
 
  In history, please consider teaching more on the foundation of the nation and the constitution..and a bit less on the riotous 1960s.
 
  Please teach these students common courtesy, and don't give allow any disrespect toward yourself or each other.
 
   Am I to expect for one moment that these suggestions will be acted upon?

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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2013, 08:46:30 AM »
Sorry I hit the wrong button. :-[


Ironglow,
You will find those things you expect in most any Kansas school. I will admit there is some "whole word" reading taught which does have research behind it that validates its effectiveness with some students, but most primary schools still use phonics. Hats and caps are not allowed. Disrespect has zero tolerance. I wish you could sit in some of the government classes, even you would learn something worthwhile.
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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2013, 08:59:48 AM »
Your Kansas schools sound better than what I witnessed here in NY..and I live in a rural area where the basic culture is much more refined than in many of the big city schools.  Kansas being the "heartland" may be better than other areas.  Even the school buses these days seem to have their serious problems..cursing, swearing and various uncouth things going on.
   I realize there is no way such behavior can or should be placed upon the teachers...and you are correct, it is obviously a breakdown in the standards of our culture.  No gentility allowed, not even for the young ladies..a shame our culture has slid so far down hill, and did it so fast!
   Yes my brother and his wife both recently retired from two separate but affluent districts near Rochester...and I know full well teachers could do a much more effective job, were they to get some serious backing by administrative people.
   Our Christian schools do demand more of both student and parent (and get it) but to be fair, almost to a person the parents are truly and intentionally involved with their child's education.
 
  BTW:  I am pleased to see Kansas elementary students at least start reading with phonics!
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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2013, 09:19:02 AM »
Most Christian and private schools are expensive for the parents. Any parent that is willing to spend that kind of money is almost for sure going to be an involved parent. I am sure that Kansas is not the only state with good public schools overall. It just pains me that some on this board want to paint all public schools as bad, they are not.
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« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2013, 09:24:04 AM »
Here is a very interesting study on how home schools compare to public schools. Take note of how parents have a significant influence as to the outcome .  http://www.parentingscience.com/homeschooling-outcomes.html
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« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2013, 10:15:42 AM »
It just pains me that some on this board want to paint all public schools as bad, they are not.
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Well it pains me that some on this board can't see that in general public schools are a failure.
No, not all of them, just a large majority of them.

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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2013, 10:20:50 AM »
Most Christian and private schools are expensive for the parents. Any parent that is willing to spend that kind of money is almost for sure going to be an involved parent. I am sure that Kansas is not the only state with good public schools overall. It just pains me that some on this board want to paint all public schools as bad, they are not.
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you have a good point but then you have to consider the majotity of schools are in large cities where the schools are poorly run though over funded .
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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2013, 01:53:55 PM »
School curricula is supposed to be "liberal." [ BS ! ]? Anything else only teaches one side of an argument.[Liberal is one side last time I checked .] "Liberal" is BOTH points of view, by definition. "Conservative" is LIMITED, also by definition. The kids are taught BOTH sides. [not very often] Cite examples--- you seem to be confusing the choice of another POV than yours with an attack on your POV. Without knowing both sides, no choice is possible.[some things choice is NA. math comees to mind , how to blance a check book , how to vote, responsiblity, honor , trust . History , tell the truth .] Honor, responsibility, trust, telling the truth should have been taught by the parents before the child ever GOT to school [ Liberals came up with tell a lie enough times people will start to believe it. ] You mean the conservatives--- in fact, that's the way they ran their last campaign--- which, by the way, they LOST. And the only ones who were surprised were the conservatives who still believe conservative lies.
[BTW most students are liberal but life experinces tend to change the smart ones into consertives  ;) ] A very good example of a conservative lie that has been told so often people (conservatives, that is) believe it.

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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2013, 08:17:51 AM »
School curricula is supposed to be "liberal." [ BS ! ]? Anything else only teaches one side of an argument.[Liberal is one side last time I checked .] "Liberal" is BOTH points of view, by definition. "Conservative" is LIMITED, also by definition. maybe by your def not others The kids are taught BOTH sides. [not very often] Cite examples--- you seem to be confusing the choice of another POV than yours with an attack on your POV. Mine were taught not to touch a gun in school , high school . They were taught it was bad. They were requested to sign a contract that they would not touch or use a gun . They all refused to sign as they had been shooting since grade school. I don't confuse anything you attempt to spin things but so far do a poor job. Without knowing both sides, no choice is possible.[some things choice is NA. math comees to mind , how to blance a check book , how to vote, responsiblity, honor , trust . History , tell the truth .] Honor, responsibility, trust, telling the truth should have been taught by the parents before the child ever GOT to schoolno doubt but the education system has tried to undrmine parents teaching with stunts like the one noted above and with classes such as sex education and homosexual pratices and un normal sex acts [ Liberals came up with tell a lie enough times people will start to believe it. ] You mean the conservatives--- in fact, that's the way they ran their last campaign--no not at all - which, by the way, they LOST. And the only ones who were surprised were the conservatives who still believe conservative lies you list the lies this time ?.
[BTW most students are liberal but life experinces tend to change the smart ones into consertives  ;) ] A very good example of a conservative lie that has been told so often people (conservatives, that is) believe it. No lie I have wittnesed it hundreds of times , but then the crowd I run in has been succesful  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2013, 09:17:38 AM »
I don't actually teach in the public school sector, but many of my students come from it.
Biggest difference I see is parental involvement. And it doesn't really seem to matter if public or private. If the parents aren't involved then the kid has problems. I suspect it's the same way with these school boards. No parent invovlement.
You are 100% correct.
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  OK..we hear all kind of lip service concerning "parental involvement"..  Just how cogent is that?  Do you mean if a prent were to go to the child's class and observe..then come up with suggestions such as ;
  No more reading by "guess at it" method, just teach phonics..
 
  In history, please consider teaching more on the foundation of the nation and the constitution..and a bit less on the riotous 1960s.
 
  Please teach these students common courtesy, and don't give allow any disrespect toward yourself or each other.
 
   Am I to expect for one moment that these suggestions will be acted upon?
Parent envolvement to me means the parents go to parents night and fine out how their child is doing and what is being taught. It means making sure the child's most important concentration is on school and learning. Check their report cards, attendance record . Make sure they are doing all their homework and assignments. And having them have some consequence if not meeting expectations. It ain't rocket science, but alot of parents don't do it.
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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2013, 10:21:22 AM »
Most Christian and private schools are expensive for the parents. Any parent that is willing to spend that kind of money is almost for sure going to be an involved parent. I am sure that Kansas is not the only state with good public schools overall. It just pains me that some on this board want to paint all public schools as bad, they are not.
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  Surprisingly, most Christian schools are not expensive, compared to public schools.  Likely your experience in Kansas is different, but our local combined school has some 2500 students..a few hundred less students than 20 years ago.  Still they keep building on..and the budget keeps going up..now $43,000,000 per year (just over $17,000 per pupil).
  My grandaughter is homeschooled now, but attended Christian school for most of her school years..it costs about $200 per month..or about $1900 per year...and she gets much more one-on-one personal attention than a public school offers.
   Of course, all this time I and my wife, plus my son & his wife still pay the NY style taxes to the local school system also..so it does take serious parental involvement.
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Cuts. I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm curious about 2 things. First - what did you find appalling ? Second - how did you teach the higher level courses in math and science such as geometry, calculus, trigonometry, chemistry, physics and biology?

Wow! I missed the follow-up completely....Sorry!

What was appalling was the lack of knowledge on the part of the teachers, the total lack of class room control, and the absolute insistence on forcing the student to accept the liberal ideals/mind control on the part of the the entire system. Much of the students time was wasted in the constant shifting from one classroom to another, the hallway chaos comes to the classroom, the first ten minutes of class is spent getting materials rounded up, settling down from the hallway stuff, then another ten minutes wasted at the end of class preparing to move to another room, hallway chaos again.....endless cycle of wasted time.

Insofar as teaching higher level subjects....two things, I HAVE THE TEACHERS MANUAL!!!!!!!!! It is amazing what you can teach when you have access to those! And my wife is a mathamatical wizard in her own right fully capable of teaching trig, geometry, and calculus.

Other aspects: I can honestly say that I learned more in the process of home educating than I did in college! I cannot stress enough how important that part was, because being only "one day ahead" a lot of the time meant that I had to work at it. And it made it easier for me understand what it would take to get the information across to my sons!

Financial: The cost saved in health care alone paid for the computers we bought for the boys to use. (every year right after Christmas break they would go back to school and bring home every illness known to man and it seemed to continue right through spring break!!!!! That stopped when we started home schooling) And the actual cost of HS materials is not as high as what the public school systems seem to pay for it. You can find it online and HSers often resell materials after children have moved on to the next grade.....a big saving for us! We didn't have the added expense of "new school clothing" every year either.

Other stuff: PE class could be a day working in the yard, shoveling snow (and playing in it), going hunting/fishing, hiking, bicycle riding, weeding the garden, painting the house....endless possibilities there! I never did think it made much sense to have them playing football/baseball/wrestling, because how many people go on to do that sort of thing all through their adult lives? I figured giving them things to do for PE that they can do for the rest of their lives made more sense! And we had fun TOGETHER! :)

Socialization! Man! I've heard that argument about a million times! "How can you children be properly socialized if they don't mix with their peers on a daily basis?" That one turned out to be one of the biggest piles of BS ever! My sons did not spend eight hours a day in class rooms surrounded by their "peers" and being directed in activities by one much older person....where you gonna use that "skill set" as an adult? Instead they interacted with people of all age groups on a regular basis, more like what "reality" is like! Plus our yard was where the neighborhood kids gathered after school anyway....because their parents weren't home from work yet! ::)

Now, understand that I've oversimplified a lot here, a lot of it was hard work and took a lot of time, but it was worth it. And also understand that we knew that we weren't trained educators and that we would make mistakes. So we paid teachers, that are friends of ours, to review our childrens progress twice a year, and even though it was not required we had them take tests every year administered by the local school system. The end result has been worth it! I am proud of my sons and their accomplishments in their continuing education and in their lives. They turned out to be good people........perhaps in spite of my efforts! ???
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The best way to learn something is to have to teach it .Glad everything worked out for you. You did it the correct way.  Parent involvment means alot and you certainly were involved. I have no problem with home schooling if done the way you went about it. You should be proud .  ;D
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