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DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition   
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  Federal agency has now acquired enough bullets to wage 30 year war
Paul Joseph Watson
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February 7, 2013
The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.
  A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.
The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).
The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).
An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.
To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.
Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.
The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.
A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.
In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, citing an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation that could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.
As we highlighted last month, the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.
While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them “Personal Defense Weapons.”
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 10:08:21 AM »
Where did this Watson person get his facts for ammo usage? He is not even in the ballpark concerning this being enough ammo for a 30 year war. That takes away any credibility about what he writes.


The below comes from this site which probably has a bit more credibility:
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_ammo_020805,00.html



Production of 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm rounds will jump to 1.8 billion rounds this year from 400 million in 1999.


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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 10:11:34 AM »
I really don't think they are expecting an invasion from outside our borders, so I guess the bullets must be for us, when we don't obey. ...and we have people that think government disarming us of our semi autos is about keeping us safe from bad guys.   
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM »
No wonder I can' find any ammo.

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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 05:48:28 PM »
I really don't think they are expecting an invasion from outside our borders, so I guess the bullets must be for us, when we don't obey. ...and we have people that think government disarming us of our semi autos is about keeping us safe from bad guys.

 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 03:07:15 AM »
Maybe this is just another tactic to keep people from stockpiling ammo.
They buy it all up, with our money, so that there is none left for us and if you do find some the price would deter you from buying it.
Kind of like what they did to the AMERICAN INDIAN.
We can't beat them so let's starve them out.
The only problem is we were expecting this and already have enough to last a lifetime.
 
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 03:40:43 AM »
Maybe someday when this regime is nothing but a horrid memory, there will be some colossal surplus ammo sales.  That of course assumes the country survives this malicious, incompetent aberration.
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 05:22:09 AM »
Simply stocking up while they still have money. Before the government goes broke and slashes their budget....................................
Just another worthless opinion!!

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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 04:47:04 AM »
Maybe they are doing the same thing we are doing.
Maybe they fear us as much as we fear them.  ( OR MORE )!!!
 
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 06:13:01 AM »
i'm with magooch i hope they have .223 so when i can't see to reload i can get some cheap rounds
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 06:13:09 AM »
 Whether they're doing it to keep us from getting ammo or they're doing it to use on the citizens, its a a bad bad deal. My local gunshop is scrambling to keep ammo supplied in all calibers but they are only doing so with foreign ammo. During the civil war the folks in the south must have felt the same about foreign suppliers of munitions as I do now. Thank you sellers and bellot and fiocci., wolf and prvi. I feel let down by U.S. manufacturers, haven't seen hide nor hair of their returning stock for months.  J
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 08:27:59 AM »
I also read that reloaders are SOL because all reloading components are going towards ammo. manufacturing.

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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 05:00:24 AM »
So the manufacturers have chosen to arm the government before the people?
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 07:11:26 AM »
Decimal errors can make you look stupid!
 
Read the "real" solicitation order. It's for a total of 240,000 rounds not 21.6 million as the numbskull in the referenced article contends. Duh!
 
Bummer. Not hardly enough for a "True Patriots" to get so worked up over.
 
 

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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 01:08:13 PM »
A solicitation posted yesterday
 
I think you better reread and then do your math again.
 
001 -- That's 100,000 X 100 = 10,000,000
002 -- That's 100,000 X 100 = 10,000,000
003 -- That's  40,000  X   40 =   1,600,000
TOTAL                                    21,600,000
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 01:17:41 PM »
My sources say they are buying 240.000 rounds to add to the 1.6 billion rounds they already have.

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 01:26:24 PM »
clearly states
 
Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100
 
     
Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100
   
Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY                                                   40
       
      
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2013, 01:36:01 PM »
And where does it state they are buying 100 of a 100,000 round lot? or 40 of a 40,000 lot?

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2013, 01:56:54 PM »
The contract is for $45,000.00......you do the math.

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2013, 02:11:05 PM »
100,000 rounds priced per 1000 rounds will include delivery    in the item description and at the end under quanty states    100
If it was only for 100,000 rounds total they would have had as quanty 1  not 100.
 
 
No where in the bid contract does it state a total price.
Where did you find the $45,000.00 total contract price?
 
 
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2013, 02:14:58 PM »
Only in every article on the internet.  Where do you come up with 100 cases of 100,000?  I only see 100,000 rounds with 1000 rounds per case.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2013, 02:16:51 PM »
  A solicitation posted yesterday
 
Line  Item(s)            
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                        001                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100                                                   MX                        
                        002                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100                                                   MX                        
                        003                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY                                                   40                                                   MX
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2013, 02:19:56 PM »
Get that potential MIT  kid to help you decipher the buy attachment.  ;)
 
hsflar-13-q-00014.pdf

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2013, 02:21:30 PM »
  A solicitation posted yesterday
 
Line  Item(s)           
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                        001                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100                                                   MX                       
                        002                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY.                                                   100                                                   MX                       
                        003                                                                              Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY                                                   40                                                   MX
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So you have a procument officer that made a mistake.  MX would be 1010 in AN.

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2013, 02:26:24 PM »
hsflar-13-q-00014.pdf
 
If this is a link I can't get it to work.
 
MX is under unit not quanty.
 
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So you have a procument officer that made a mistake.

Could be but I hardly think so.
 
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2013, 02:29:14 PM »
If you are attributing 100 to unit then C would be 100.....so what is it?

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2013, 03:00:28 PM »
If you are attributing 100 to unit then C would be 100.....so what is it?

I did not say 100 was unit.
100 is quanty.
Unit is MX
I know MX is 1010 in AN.
 
The order states 100,000 rounds
priced per 1,000 rounds
X quanty 100 --- that equals 10,000,000 rounds.
 
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2013, 04:01:38 PM »
Or 100,000 rounds at 1000 per case of 100 rds. a box.  AS they state, the contract is for $45,000.  What do you think a round goes for?  If they can get for .002 cents per round......count me in.

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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2013, 04:17:38 PM »
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An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.
162,500,000 per month over the last 10 months.
Another 450 million over the next 4 years.
That's 9,375,000 rounds per month for the next 4 years!
In September they purchased another 200,000,000 in one month.
 
I know these numbers really has no bearing on this order but just stop and think a moment about the numbers per month.
 
Now with these kind of numbers you are saying that they are only ordering 240,000 rounds total on this order.
Last September they also purchased 7000 full auto rifles.
240,000 rounds of ammo would only be less then 5 rounds over a full 30 round magazine per rifle.
Given all these large numbers you still think they are talking a mere 240,000 rounds total order!
Besides, just when has our government ever done anything that small.
 
 
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Re: DHS buys ANOTHER 21.6 million rds of ammo, enough for a 30 year war.
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »
I still see nothing in the OP that states $45,000.
 
I just reread the OP and the date is Feb /7 /2013

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A solicitation posted yesterday

 
The bid to purchase end date isn't due until tomorrow, Feb /11/ 2013.
You can't award a bid contract before the time is up so how can they say the total price is $45,000.00.
 

 
         
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