Author Topic: 16" pump action rifle Why not! (Read 7205 times)

Rscout6945 · « **on:** February 16, 2004, 10:05:23 PM »

I have a real problem that I need to get off my chest. I have a need for something that nobody makes, OH! What do I do! I guess I just p&m here then.

I would like to know why nobody makes a pump action rifle capable of handling a 44 Rem Mag? It doesn't sound that difficult. You figure that the pump action shotgun is one of the most popular firearms ever. Why can't somebody a rifle in the same style?

For anybody out there that works for a major gun maker, here is your next big thing. A pump action rifle, 16" barrel to start, styled after the rem 870 or moss 590 or a hybrid of the two. Make it capable of handling the 44 Rem Mag and 357 Mag, well, since you will have to start from scratch anyway make it able to fire 454's and 475/480 too, if possible. Nothing fancy, wood and synthetic stocks, ghost ring sights, full length mag like the 590, and parkerized finish. Just keep it simple!

If you wanted to, make it as some kind of carbine to interest the police with. They need a good, cheap carbine to cover the 25-100 yard gap between the shotgun and full power rifle. And since they already know how to operate the pump shotgun it would be like second nature to them.

I, for one, pray every night that somebody will come to their senses, stop all this crud with WSSM's, RSAUM's, 204 Ruger's and 17 Mach2's and make something simple and rugged that lots of people want. Well, enough from me, what do you guys think?

Mike103 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2004, 06:39:31 AM »

6945, Go to www.remingtonle.com and look at the 7600P. Pump action, .308 caliber, 16 1/2" barrel, parkerized finish, symthetic stocks, police model, handles like a 870. Except for the caliber it is what you are asking for. I heard that it was once offered in .223 but have not seen one. MIKE.

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2004, 10:49:12 AM »

I have seen the 7600 before. It is made for rifle cartridges and misses the point I am getting at. I am talking pistol calibers, small and light shape and form. I am sure you could put a 454 or 475 in a 7600 but look at all the wasted space!

Rick Teal · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2004, 12:45:10 PM »

If you really want one, you could probably pick up an old Remington 14 or 141 in 44-40 or 38-40 and make the modifications you want. It may also be possible to rechamber or rebarrel one of these rifles to a more current pistol calibre.

targshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2004, 01:23:06 PM »

There used to be a pump rifle called the Timber Wolf, made by IMI. It was offered in .357 and .44 mag., I believe. Was like a scaled down Remington Model 141. For some reason, they quit offering it.

freddogs · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2004, 05:53:25 AM »

It's a great idea. I'd love to have a 44 pump. Appearently none of the gun manufacturers are too interested. I'd be interestested in a large bore pump of some kind 44 mag, 480 ruger, 444 marlin, 45/70, ect. I'd like one that handled like my 870 (or smaller and shorter).

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2004, 07:42:49 PM »

Thank god! I was beginning to think that i was the only one this idea appealed to!

Bandito · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2004, 02:39:44 AM »

Sounds like one I would buy. Ghost ring sights and full length magazine! OK Who is willing to make one of these? I can think of two calibers I would choose. And the police would have another choice for their pistol caliber companion carbine as a trunk gun. Who is on this forum that doesn't know of the second shot speed of the pump gun? Later boys and girls. :wink:

olywa · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2004, 04:53:01 PM »

Check out the Taurus Thunderbolt. It's due for release later this year in .45 Long Colt. It's a knock-off of the old Colt Lightning and probably targeted for the Cowboy Action-Shooting crowd. Now if Taurus would just chamber it for the 44 Mag and shorten the barrel down to about 16-18"...

http://www.taurususa.com/main/Newfor2004.cfm

Flash · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:20:52 AM »

I was just about to mention the upcoming Taurus when I read olywa's post. I also ran across a web page a while back for a high end Cowboy gun reproduction manufacturer that was also making the Lightning and several lever guns too. Did you do a search for western reproductions?

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2004, 09:38:32 AM »

I too really want to see pump rifles configured like shotguns and chambered for revolver and lever action cartridges such as you listed.

I'm contemplating a drastic conversion of a shotgun that uses the shotgun's feeding system with a new locking system.

superdown · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:00:34 AM »

hey, mike103 are the law enforcement models avilable for purchase or are they for police,le only?Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject:

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6945, Go to www.remingtonle.com and look at the 7600P. Pump action, .308 caliber, 16 1/2" barrel, parkerized finish, symthetic stocks, police model, handles like a 870. Except for the caliber it is what you are asking for. I heard that it was once offered in .223 but have not seen one. MIKE.

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2004, 07:18:38 PM »

I've seen them for sale somewhere, possibly police trade-ins. I see no advantage to the LE models over the civilian ones.

Mike103 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2004, 03:45:34 AM »

The police models are available, look on www.gunsamerica.com. They go for about 600-650 bucks. Remington is coming out with a 7600 Police pump in 223 that uses ar15 mags. MIKE.

doghouse95 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2004, 07:54:36 PM »

When the Thunderbult 45LC hits the market, I'll have one.

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2004, 10:29:02 PM »

I still think this idea would be best with pistol caliber cartridges. .38 Spec/357 Mag, 41 Mag, 44 S&W/44 Mag, 45 Colt/454 Casall, 480 Ruger/475 Line.....You guys get the idea.

Huntinbull · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:05:21 AM »

Should have read this post before starting my own!! I concur! A pump rifle for the pistol cartridges is a great idea. Might just have to see about modifying a mossberg 410 pump gun!!! HEHE just kidding (sort of).
Huntinbull

Bama76 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:23:16 AM »

A built to caliber handgun catridge pump would rock the planet! Taurus is about the only maker that might come out with such a weapon, maybe Ruger. It must be made in 45 colt and capable of heavy loads.

Mike

Magnanova1 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2004, 05:40:53 PM »

remember, if it was built as a shotgun action, then it has to keep a shotgun barels minimum length. SO if you build a pistol from a shotgun action, the barrel must be min shotgun length, even though it's a pistol. And isn't the minimum barrel length for a rifle 16 1/2" inches, and a shotgun 18". So keep up on your atf and state laws. This would be a bad thing to find out late.

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2004, 08:09:23 PM »

I saw something this weekend that made me think about this subject more. I was watching pictures of the newest terror alert in New York, NJ and DC and all I saw was police walking around with every kind of rifle and sub machine gun I could think of. Especially alot of 9mm sub machine guns and it started me thinking.

If they are looking for truck bombs that they are trying to stop then you would think that they would be carrying weapons that would penetrate a car or truck every single time. An mp-5 would not be enough for this job-Not enough MV and bullet weight. Where as a M-16/AR-15 might does not in my opinion have enough bullet weight for this job. A pump/auto shotgun would be ok but only with slugs. Could you imagine shooting a car with buckshot with all those hundreds of people around, not me. This situation screams for a pump 44 mag!

It can be way more low profile that these rambo/police you see on the news. more accurate than a snub barreled mp-5 and would go thru a car body every time, never fail unlike an AR-15.

What do you guys think?

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2005, 04:10:05 PM »

Just thought I would update this subject. Some people are starting to listen, sort of. The last mag I saw had 3 pump action rifles in pistol caliber but they were all made for cowboy action shooting. They had long barrel, buckhorn sights, and old time chamberings.

Why not something a little more modern guys, huh?

Mike103 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 27, 2005, 07:49:32 AM »

The 7600 in .223 that uses AR15 mags is now available. www.remingtonle.com

Edited to add: It is the model 7615P.

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2005, 06:35:46 PM »

SWEEET!

clodbuster · « **Reply #23 on:** March 02, 2005, 12:07:36 PM »

I sure hope you guys get what you want so I could build my dream gun from it.
That would be a lite weight pump in 256 Win Mag. with ghostring site. What a walkin around gun it would be!

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 02, 2005, 07:20:31 PM »

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 06, 2005, 07:59:33 PM »

I wonder how big of a stretch it would be for Remington to adapt their Rem 870 in 410 or 28ga to handle 357 and 44 Rem Mag. I could imagine all sorts of detachable mag versions but I'd really like a tube mag like a pump shotgun or a levergun.

Such a thing would be awesome!

Bretzky308 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2005, 11:47:19 PM »

Why not?

Here's at least one good reason why not: you'll never hunt Canadian fauna with a rifle that short, they're illegal.

Wild Bill 442 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:58:40 PM »

There is a thread on one of the Marlin Lever sites regarding whether it would make sense for Marlin to build a 30/30 pump. That idea got pooh-poohed heavily, but a few guys had the same thought as in this thread.

If any of you are familiar with the original Marlin pump rifle, Model 27/27S, can you imagine a modern version chambered in 32 H&R, 38/357, 41, 44/44 Mag? Two of my passions are Marlin levers and Remington pumps. This idea would marry the two and make for great offspring!

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:26:20 PM »

Quote from: Bretzky308

you'll never hunt Canadian fauna with a rifle that short, they're illegal.

I'm sure whoever would make it would come out with a longer barreled version for CA folks.

Rscout6945 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2006, 12:14:25 AM »

Just wanted to update this post and bring it alive again, so far no dice on anything new in the market unless there is something I don't know about. Please tell me if there is.