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Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« on: February 08, 2013, 05:17:21 PM »
OHH,,OHH trouble in GOP family paradise............. Let the fued begin.
Guess Corporate and wallstreeter's have finally grown tired of the tea party folks.  Pop some popcorn this should be fun.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/rove-vs-tea-party-for-gops-future-87296.html#ixzz2KN44UBry

 
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This is the GOP establishment’s attempt to make candidates for Republican nominations prove themselves before blowing winnable elections like Todd Akin and Christine O’Donnell.

Minnesota media mogul Stan Hubbard, who has written big checks to Crossroads and other conservative groups, said the GOP has had too many candidates who are “nut cases” and pledged to donate and raise money for Conservative Victory Project.

The resulting battle would pit two well-funded factions of the conservative base against one another in a set of expensive primaries that could drain resources, produce weakened nominees and set back the GOP’s chances to retake the Senate and protect its House majority.


“This is a little bit like gang warfare right now,” said Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, a tea-party-linked nonprofit that spent more than $60 million in the 2012 cycle, including backing candidates opposed by Rove's allies.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 04:43:40 AM »
Yeah, like the Dumycrat Party is pure and without its own set of dipwads.  Nothing new here; the struggle for party influence is as old as politics itself.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 06:21:17 AM »
Oh No , They have their share as well.

It will be interesting to see who wins out in next election cycle , Tea party candidates or traditional big corp Republican types.

Let the games begin.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 06:34:18 AM »
So the game will be to see which one will make the nastiest wound shooting themselves in the foot!

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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 07:35:08 AM »
Yep. Wonder what side of the ledger the Koch Brothers will side with.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 07:45:48 AM »
They are all head cases Republicans and Democrats both. If they were sane they wouldn't be Republican or Democrats to begin with. It doesn't take a genius to see that this wonderful 2 party system is broken and beyond repair.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 11:12:11 AM »
Nothing will change until the comeing crash happens. After that citizens will probably do what is required to survive what ever the controling powers set in motion . Most likely a broad scale ground and sea war. (I hope conventional ground and sea is as bad as the war will get). ear
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 11:39:17 AM »
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 01:02:14 PM »
blindear said, "Nothing will change until the comeing crash happens. After that citizens will probably do what is required to survive what ever the controling powers set in motion . Most likely a broad scale ground and sea war. (I hope conventional ground and sea is as bad as the war will get".
 
There is wisdom, and a true view of our future.  The U.S. is for sure and for certain headed for a crash.  Only then will the peoplel (Republicans and Democrats) wake up.  I just hope it won't be too late. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 01:11:20 PM »
Agreed Mike...I think we are headed for some tougher times than the US has ever seen domestically... this side of the Civil War.... Or should I have said   .... UNCivil War?
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 01:38:20 PM »
When Lincoln was elected in 1860, there were 4 major political parties.  Whigs, Republicans, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrates.  He didn't win the electoral college to win the first go round.  The dropped the lowest number of electoral votes, which was the Whigs.  Then voted again.  This time the Northern Democrat party had the fewest electoral votes so they were dropped.  Then it was the Republicans vs the Southern Democrats.  Lincoln won the electoral votes and the rest is history.
 
 Well, that being said, it isn't impossible to start or have a third party or a 4th party.  Wish we had that option today.  Dems could split between the moderates and far left.  GOP could split between the Wall Street types and the middle class Tea party.  Then everyone run, then sort it out.  There would have to be some compromising then.  Maybe people would study the issues more then.
I hate to say this, but when women didn't vote, there was more issue based voting among men.  Chaisma and good looks didn't matter.  Women mostly vote emotion.  Men vote more logical.  When our country was founded only land owners could vote.  Thus one reason the push west to stake claims on land and get territories settled to become states.  Later, all free men could vote, then all men after the Civil War.  Women didn't vote until the 1920's.  Most women voted the way their husbands voted until about Kennedy.  As divorce and single women increased in the adult population, without a husband, a woman needed help with day care, health care, food stamps, etc.  They are more dependent.  If young men would man up and pick one woman to love and cherish, and take responsibility as husband and chief provider, the middle class would return and there would be fewer government dependents. 

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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 02:49:15 PM »
When Lincoln was elected in 1860, there were 4 major political parties.  Whigs, Republicans, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrates.  He didn't win the electoral college to win the first go round.  The dropped the lowest number of electoral votes, which was the Whigs.  Then voted again.  This time the Northern Democrat party had the fewest electoral votes so they were dropped.  Then it was the Republicans vs the Southern Democrats.  Lincoln won the electoral votes and the rest is history.
 
 Well, that being said, it isn't impossible to start or have a third party or a 4th party.  Wish we had that option today.  Dems could split between the moderates and far left.  GOP could split between the Wall Street types and the middle class Tea party.  Then everyone run, then sort it out.  There would have to be some compromising then.  Maybe people would study the issues more then.
I hate to say this, but when women didn't vote, there was more issue based voting among men.  Chaisma and good looks didn't matter.  Women mostly vote emotion.  Men vote more logical.  When our country was founded only land owners could vote.  Thus one reason the push west to stake claims on land and get territories settled to become states.  Later, all free men could vote, then all men after the Civil War.  Women didn't vote until the 1920's.  Most women voted the way their husbands voted until about Kennedy.  As divorce and single women increased in the adult population, without a husband, a woman needed help with day care, health care, food stamps, etc.  They are more dependent.  If young men would man up and pick one woman to love and cherish, and take responsibility as husband and chief provider, the middle class would return and there would be fewer government dependents.
Good post!
The founding fathers thought that the ones paying for everything the government does should be the ones to vote; that would be the property owners. Now people don't know where the government gets it's money and don't care as long as it is from someone else. Some even think that the government already has the money just sitting there waiting to be spent. Would you think that tax withholding has clouded this fact?


On the Republican party, it is controlled by the neocons and they will fight to keep their power. Their corporate cronies will support them to keep the party going. The liberty types, financial conservative types, and constitutional types will be forced out or sellout. The can kickers will keep power until the road ends.


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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 02:28:49 AM »
  Gary G;
  That is where we have gotten messed up with the voting in this republic.  Too many people voting for "things" ..who don't have any "skin in the game"..
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 04:58:21 AM »
When Lincoln was elected in 1860, there were 4 major political parties.  Whigs, Republicans, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrates.  He didn't win the electoral college to win the first go round.  The dropped the lowest number of electoral votes, which was the Whigs.  Then voted again.  This time the Northern Democrat party had the fewest electoral votes so they were dropped.  Then it was the Republicans vs the Southern Democrats.  Lincoln won the electoral votes and the rest is history.
 
 Well, that being said, it isn't impossible to start or have a third party or a 4th party.  Wish we had that option today.  Dems could split between the moderates and far left.  GOP could split between the Wall Street types and the middle class Tea party.  Then everyone run, then sort it out.  There would have to be some compromising then.  Maybe people would study the issues more then.
I hate to say this, but when women didn't vote, there was more issue based voting among men.  Chaisma and good looks didn't matter.  Women mostly vote emotion.  Men vote more logical.  When our country was founded only land owners could vote.  Thus one reason the push west to stake claims on land and get territories settled to become states.  Later, all free men could vote, then all men after the Civil War.  Women didn't vote until the 1920's.  Most women voted the way their husbands voted until about Kennedy.  As divorce and single women increased in the adult population, without a husband, a woman needed help with day care, health care, food stamps, etc.  They are more dependent.  If young men would man up and pick one woman to love and cherish, and take responsibility as husband and chief provider, the middle class would return and there would be fewer government dependents.
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At this point parties don't matter. Banking powers are running the country and the world. The political parties only serve to put the working class in a position to serve the needs of power/finance, a system that has evolved ever since civilization created the trade medium of money. The strength of all business is based in the power of it's military. It may soon be that corporations can have enough unmanned armament to win wars without solders, BUT for there to be controlling power there must be someone to control. There must be consumers to buy and builders to produce. A society of machines won't need such. The vanity and greed of power is all that gives the citizen a chance to retain any control of his own fate if we weren't so easily influenced by those supposedly smarter than us. ear
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 03:18:24 PM »
Under the category of "They eat their own young" appears the rift between GOP factions is set to take place after state of the union address.

President will give State of the union.
Marco Rubio will give the Formal GOP rebuttal
Rand Paul will then give the Tea Party Rebuttal , to the Formal GOP rebuttal , to the state of the union.

So dysfunctional , Anyone know a good lawyer ? Me thinks a divorce is in the wings within the GOP Party. 
Don't they recognize how childish and fractured this makes them all look?.
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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 03:48:24 PM »
Under the category of "They eat their own young" appears the rift between GOP factions is set to take place after state of the union address.

President will give State of the union.
Marco Rubio will give the Formal GOP rebuttal
Rand Paul will then give the Tea Party Rebuttal , to the Formal GOP rebuttal , to the state of the union.

So dysfunctional , Anyone know a good lawyer ? Me thinks a divorce is in the wings within the GOP Party. 
Don't they recognize how childish and fractured this makes them all look?.

President comes across as a regular Joe American.  Republicans look like one big corrupt organization.  Don't vote for them at all costs. 
Study after study has shown how dangerous distracted driving is yet people continue to talk on their cell phones while driving. Driving in the U.S. requires your full attention. Many states and countries have made it illegal to use a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle and the federal government should follow their lead. Banning the use of cell phones while driving would have the added benefit of making the no-texting law enforceable.

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Re: Karl Rove vs. tea party in big money fight for GOP's future
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 04:24:03 PM »
Under the category of "They eat their own young" appears the rift between GOP factions is set to take place after state of the union address.

President will give State of the union.
Marco Rubio will give the Formal GOP rebuttal
Rand Paul will then give the Tea Party Rebuttal , to the Formal GOP rebuttal , to the state of the union.

So dysfunctional , Anyone know a good lawyer ? Me thinks a divorce is in the wings within the GOP Party. 
Don't they recognize how childish and fractured this makes them all look?.

President comes across as a regular Joe American.  Republicans look like one big corrupt organization.  Don't vote for them at all costs.

The President tells me how I should exercise a god-given right.  He is not a regular "Joe American."  He is a tyrant.