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Can't even refuel our carriers..
« on: February 09, 2013, 12:32:51 AM »
  Priorities..priorities...just what is more important?  We can't refuel our carriers..but they still have their Obamaphones...
 
  http://news.usni.org/2013/02/08/navy-lincoln-refueling-delayed-will-hurt-carrier-readiness
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 02:10:48 AM »
Nice spin try. Your own posted article says it is he carrier Lincoln and it is not just refueling but a major overall. It also appears from your article that it will just be a delay. I think we are still able to protect ourselves just fine.
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 08:16:05 AM »
Need to bring them all home and anchor at home ports and let the rest of the world fight their own battles for a while and see if world openion and local politics change. jm2cw. ear
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 09:39:16 AM »
It's just politics , FDR sent the great white fleet to the other side of the world knowing they did not have the fuel or funds to get them home . He dumped in the the lap of congress knowing that the American people would take it out on congress . Obama is replaying old tried and true tatics . Those who don't remember history will repete it .
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 09:52:16 AM »
Nice spin try. Your own posted article says it is he carrier Lincoln and it is not just refueling but a major overall. It also appears from your article that it will just be a delay. I think we are still able to protect ourselves just fine.
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    Did you read the article ?  If so you can see where it says the lack of fuel will hurt the fleet's "rediness".
   You accuse me of "spin"... Certainly if I am wrong for linking to that article..where you don't believe there is any fiscal problem, then perhaps you had best take on your hero..whose "spin" runs like this;
 
  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57568461/white-house-warns-sequester-will-hurt-middle-class/
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/automatic-spending-cuts-hurt-americans-white-house-173610528--business.html
 
    ...And still the Obamaphones are available for crack dealers..and some others..
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 09:46:52 AM »
CVNs don't get 'refueled' - they get a major overhaul of the engineering plant. It isn't quite the same as hookin' up a 7" hose and start pumpin'..
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 06:13:36 PM »
The Navy said it is delaying the work because it is short about $1.5 billion and Congress hasn’t passed an appropriations bill to fund it. The delay is one in a series of cuts the military is making in order to cut costs ahead of billions of dollars in automatic spending cuts, known as sequestration, set to take effect March 1.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/navy-delays-overhaul-of-aircraft-carrier-uss-abraham-lincoln-due-to-budget-concerns/2013/02/08/cd2cee38-7233-11e2-b3f3-b263d708ca37_story.html
 
The truth about "obamaphones"
Welfare recipients, and others, can receive a free cell phone, but the program is not funded by the government or taxpayer money, as the e-mail alleges. And it’s hardly new.
How It Works
SafeLink Wireless, the program mentioned in the e-mail, does indeed offer a cell phone, about one hour’s worth of calling time per month, and other wireless services like voice mail to eligible low-income households. Applicants have to apply and prove that they are either receiving certain types of government benefits, such as Medicaid, or have household incomes at or below 135 percent of the poverty line. Using 2009 poverty guidelines, that’s $14,620 for an individual and a little under $30,000 for a family of four, with slightly higher amounts for Alaska and Hawaii.
SafeLink is run by a subsidiary of América Móvil, the world’s fourth largest wireless company in terms of subscribers, but it is not paid for directly by the company. Nor is it paid for with "tax payer money," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it is funded through the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company, an independent, not-for-profit corporation set up by the Federal Communications Commission. The USF is sustained by contributions from telecommunications companies such as "long distance companies, local telephone companies, wireless telephone companies, paging companies, and payphone providers." The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. The fund is then parceled out to companies, such as América Móvil, that create programs, such as SafeLink, to provide telecommunications service to rural areas and low-income households.
History
The SafeLink program has actually been offering cell phones to low-income households in some states since 2008, not beginning "earlier this year," as the e-mail claims. But the program is rooted in a deeper history.
When phone lines were first laid out in the late 19th century, they were not always inter-operable. That is to say the phone service created by one company to serve one town may not have been compatible with the phone service of another company serving a different town nearby. The telecom companies themselves saw the folly in this arrangement, and so in 1913, AT&T committed itself to resolving interconnection problems as part of the "Kingsbury Commitment."
That common goal of universal service became a goal of  universal access to service when Congress passed The Telecommunications Act of 1934. The act created the FCC and also included in its preamble a promise "to make available, so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, a rapid, efficient, Nation-wide, and world-wide wire and radio communication service with adequate facilities at reasonable charges.” There was a fear, expressed by telecom companies themselves, that market forces alone might encourage companies to pass on providing service to hard-to-reach places. This would both hurt the people who wouldn’t have service as well as existing customers who wouldn’t be able to reach them. So the new FCC was tasked with promoting this principle of "universal service."
This informal practice was codified when the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) was created as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act to "ensure all Americans, including low-income consumers and those who live in rural, insular, high cost areas, shall have affordable service and [to] help to connect eligible schools, libraries, and rural health care providers to the global telecommunications network." The USAC includes four programs to serve rural areas, high cost areas, rural health care providers, and schools and libraries. Since 1997, USAC has provided discounted land line service to low-income individuals. (A more limited program to offer assistance to low-income individuals was created a decade earlier; the telecommunications act expanded and formalized it.) According to Eric Iversen, USAC director of external relations, the Universal Service Fund more recently began funding programs that provide wireless service, such as the pre-paid cellular SafeLink program mentioned in the chain e-mail.
The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices "Obama Phones," as the e-mail author does. This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.
Wilson Phones, anyone?
http://factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
 
The attempt to link budget shortfalls due to sequestration and the financing of SafeLink phones is disingenuous at best.
It's a lame attempt to place all blame on the president when the sequestration deal was created by congress which to the best of my knowledge contains members from both parties. ;)

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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 04:31:38 AM »
Let' see
   $53,000,000 for an inauguration party
 
  $ 1,8000,000,000 for Obamaphones http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=41297
 
   $ 115,000 for a high schooler to "spring break" in Mexico   
     http://sandrarose.com/2012/12/malia-obamas-spring-break-cost-taxpayers-over-115000/
 
   Seems like if they looked around a bit.. vacations at Camp David and forego the million$$ for trips to Hawaii, Spain etc, they might be able to dig up some funds to help out Navy stay afloat.. ;)
 
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 07:15:00 AM »

   Seems like if they looked around a bit.. vacations at Camp David and forego the million$$ for trips to Hawaii, Spain etc, they might be able to dig up some funds to help out Navy stay afloat.. ;)


Not even close.
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 07:50:55 AM »
I was on the USS Midway CV41 and CVA41, a late WWII carrier that saw action in Korea and Viet Nam. I was on the last refit of the ship to Viet Nam. We hauled 2.3 million gallons of ships power fuel and another 1.4 million gallons of avgas. The latest, like the Kitty Hawk, holds 4 millions for ships power besides the nukes, and another 2 million avgas with the ability to expand another 1 million gallons of avgas. It's my understanding that the holdup is so that the new carrier that's being rushed thru that has more nuke capacity and requires a lot less liquid fuel and they're looking to get in service when the next carrier rotates in. The fuel is nothing but smoke and mirrors as the military sits on billions of gallons of processed fuel already. You can thank Reagan for the reserves. But it does kinda remind of you what Russia went thru when it fell apart.


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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 11:10:37 AM »
SEveral retired swabbies have told me that this is extremely dangerous and puts the ship and crew at risk. The pic reminds me of battleship row. Some even think it an intentional act to weaken our readiness in an emergency. Hussein is evil, nothing would surprise me with him, or his co conspirators. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 01:48:55 PM »
The latest, like the Kitty Hawk, holds 4 millions for ships power besides the nukes, and another 2 million avgas with the ability to expand another 1 million gallons of avgas. It's my understanding that the holdup is so that the new carrier that's being rushed thru that has more nuke capacity and requires a lot less liquid fuel and they're looking to get in service when the next carrier rotates in. The fuel is nothing but smoke and mirrors as the military sits on billions of gallons of processed fuel already. You can thank Reagan for the reserves. But it does kinda remind of you what Russia went thru when it fell apart.
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Liquid fuel, for a nuke? FYI: we don't have any  more oil-burning carriers.
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Re: Can't even refuel our carriers..
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 02:26:23 PM »

   Seems like if they looked around a bit.. vacations at Camp David and forego the million$$ for trips to Hawaii, Spain etc, they might be able to dig up some funds to help out Navy stay afloat.. ;)


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    Those three suggestions alone wouldn't do the job..but here's a whole list of primarily "no use" spending, which could easily br directed to constitutional obligations.
      http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/01/20/house-gop-lists-25-trillion-in-spending-cuts
 
  BTW: Yes guys, although Navy is not my baliwick, I believe all the Super-Carriers are nuclear powered..
 
 
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