Cops Gone Wild: Why do Cops like to shoot dogs...?

[reliquary]

The OP is somewhat misleading.  I will agree that it looks to me as if the officer used excessive and unnecessary force and was reckless in the discharge of the firearm. 
 
 Very few of the cops I know actually like to or want to shoot anything, except game animals while hunting.  In 20+ years as a cop, and 40+ years of knowing cops, I know of only three instances of cops shooting dogs. 
 
Two of those were separate instances of pit bulls running loose in a fenced yard outside a drug-house against which a no-knock warrant was to be served.  Another was an officer who shot an 85-pound Shepherd mix that the owner "sicced" on him while the officer and his partner were answering a disturbance complaint.

[coyotejoe]

Here again you refer to one video, admittedly bad, but if you scroll on down there are dozens of instances as bad or worse, that was the point of the OP's remarks.

[reliquary]

The point remains:  not all cops are bad. To tar them all with the same brush is misleading and inappropriate.
 
Google can find dozens of instances of ministers, teachers, firemen, doctors, nurses...pick a profession or hobby...misbehaving.  That doesn't give anyone license to say that they are all bad, or reason to dump on all of them.

[Mikey]

In my neck of the woods, shooting chained dogs is standard proceedure for gutless cops, especially when the dog is chained in the house or hiding in a bathtub out of fear; and of course if the cop can kill the dog in front of its owner or its owner's child then he gets extra credit for the kill.
 
If the cop loses his job as the 'downside' of his actions it is no loss - better not to have a 'killer cop' on the street.  Of course, the cop also runs the risk of being shot himself, which would have the same effect of having one less out of control cop on the street. 
 
cops here shoot dogs all the time, especially when they are frightened puppies being held by children in houses mistakenly invaded by cops on drug searches and the like - grab the dog out of the childs hands and either stomp it to death or shoot it in front of the child.  Hey, what the hell eh Swamp, it's only a dog, right - but whatcha forget is that some of those kids are going to grow to be such cop haters that they may open a season on dog killing cops, or their families or pets.  So, no real downside to cops shooting pets - wrong.

[reliquary]

Mikey:  Please post some proof of your allegations...links to articles documenting these things..surely if these things are "standard procedure" and happen "all the time", there should be some public record, and public outcry.  Where is "your neck of the woods", so that others can verify what you say?

[coyotejoe]

I don't think anyone was saying ALL cops just live to shoot dogs. I know the cops I worked with were all animal lovers and would have been sick if they ever had to shoot a dog. But there is presented here quite a pile of incidents which can not be considered acceptable police behavior. Cops have had to adjust their behavior since so many people now have cell phones capable of shooting fair quality videos and we have websites where those videos can be aired, making any sort of misconduct a lot harder to get away with and that can only be a good thing.

[reliquary]

TM7:  I did comment on the OP:  It's a crock of hogwash, just as is Mikey's BS.  Go back and read my comments.  I say...post proof or shut up making false allegations.
 
coyotejoe:  Many of the posts, including the OP, Mikey, and TM7, have made blanket condemnations of police everywhere.  You, yourself, use the terms "quite a pile" and  "dozens of instances."  Please document them or have them branded as falsehoods.

[ironglow]

Let's face it the lead statement IS misleading..
   
    " Cops Gone Wild: Why do Cops like to shoot dogs...?"
 
  Clearly it states that cops as a general habit LIKE TO shoot dogs..
 
   I believe that cops like anyone else, some few may indeed enjoy it..but to "broad brush" them is a bit disingenuous (IMO),

[reliquary]

Well said, IG.  Thanks.
 
TM7:  refresh me on what your question was?   BTW, where have I ever "made blanket apologies for police behavior that we Citizens should be concerned"?  That doesn't make sense.  Please clarify what you mean.
 
Some cops are bad; I admit that as a retired cop.  Some soldiers are bad; I admit that as a retired soldier-cop.  Some teachers are bad; I admit that as a retired teacher.  Some Muslims are bad.  Some Christians are bad; I admit that as an active Christian.  Some "Citizens" are bad; most of the "Citizens" that police encounter are engaged in criminal behavior at the time of the encounter, which influences the behavior and attitude of the cops.  Some ordinary, innocent "Citizens" have been victimized by bad cops.   Some good cops have been ambushed and killed by bad "Citizens."  Innocent people are killed in combat between two opposing groups.  Innocent people have been decapitated on video by Muslims. Innocent Muslims have been decapitated on video by Christians and Jews....oh, wait, that hasn't happened yet, has it?    
 
Welcome to reality.  But, as you are fond of alluding to in your posts in defense of Muslims, don't make blanket condemnations.  In every group with which I am familiar, there are bad people.  You would be up in arms if I started a thread "Muslims  gone wild: why do Muslims like to decapitate people...?"  Why should I not be indignant about this thread?
 

[lakota]

Fall in line and dont question or bark at the man with the badge and gun or you risk getting shot...that goes for you too Fido.
 
Hopefully the fat sack of crap tough guy who shot the dog while it was subdued on the catch pole gets to meet an even bigger and badder bully than himself someday.
 
Not only was shooting a leashed dog a very cowardly act, but he was also acting very irresponsible by shooting so close to the animal control officer who already had the dog under control. I wonder if they would have popped off a few dozen rounds at the house across the street had they known they were being filmed?
 
Cops acting like jack booted thugs makes my blood boil, and I have seen some of their "heroic" behavior first hand...I am going to stop commenting on this thread now.

[45-70.gov]

THAT COP  WILL KILL  SOME ONE  SOME DAY

[Dixie Dude]

One time in my town, a man was carrying a bull somewhere in his pickup truck with sides on it.  Bull got scared of something and crashed out of the truck, ran around downtown.  Police shot it.  The owner lost his prize bull.  They could have called in some local cowboys on horseback and caught to bull.  It was around 5-6pm and most everyone in downtown was going home for the evening.  (25,000 population so downtown was small.  Bull was shot about 7-8 pm.  Police said they were afraid someone would get trampled or gored. 

[Empty Quiver]

Officer safety folks, nothing to see here, move along.

The first three words are the simple truth, the rest was tongue in cheek.


The eagerness to "subdue " a dog starts with the officer safety mantra. Do not construe this as my being either for or against dog bitten officers. Two things going on, officers do get to see a professional dog eating ass on occasion, it makes quite the impression. Second thing is that they are given near carte blanche authority to shoot dogs suspected of having an aggressive demeanor  They shoot them because they can.


How long does a cop carry around the batbelt with 4+ pounds of gun and ammo? What is the statistic about few cops ever drawing a gun? Comes a chance to justify a sore back and ruined ankles he takes it. now he has some street cred with fellow officers. Some high fives, a few well intentioned good shoot officer and next thing you know dog shooting becomes a right of passage. No tweakers to shoot? find a mean dog they'll do.


Remember this is a very few officers shooting a very few dogs. Just as an occasional officer is found with a line of coke on a hookers belly.  As in most cases in human endeavor %10 do %90 of the heavy lifting and %10 do %90 of the mischief.

[lakota]

THAT COP  WILL KILL  SOME ONE  SOME DAY

You got that right. There are countless photos in the archives of history of his type shooting unarmed people who were forced to kneel in the backs of their heads and then kicking their bodies into mass graves.

[reliquary]

Ahhh....OK...I went back and saw who the OP was.  So, TM7, the answer to your question, "Why do cops like to shoot dogs...?":  I don't know any who do.
 
 Of the three cops I know who have shot dogs, none of the three said they liked it.  None of the locals I've talked to in the last few days have ever shot a dog; one said he put down a deer that had been hit by a car.  A friend who is on the PD is a city of 250K says that they had "maybe two or three" incidents in 2012 but he didn't remember anyone celebrating about any of them.
 
The guy in the video you linked to...seems to have been a bad cop.  Hopefully he will get fired.  I don't condone his actions any more than I do your blanket condemnation of cops. 
 
Dixiedude:  if they hadn't done something...quickly...about the bull, and someone HAD been trampled or gored while they waited for your "cowboys", they'd have been at fault and some shyster would have sued the city.
 
lakota:  sorry about your experiences with the cops,..have you filed any complaints? 

[lakota]

lakota:  sorry about your experiences with the cops,..have you filed any complaints?

As a matter of fact I tried to once. The incident stemmed from me committing the heinous act of leaving my car running unattended in the driveway of a girl I was dating. I was having problems with the starter. The car was unattended for all of 10 minutes. A came out of the house to find 10 to 15 cops and they had destroyed the interior of my car. They found a legally owned legally stored handgun. I asked why they destroyed the inside of my car they stated they were "searching" it because I might be inside the house committing "burglary, rape or murder" I asked if that was the case then why did they waste time searching the car rather than coming into the house. That question pissed off the alpha cop and caused The jack off to threatened me with violence, confiscation of my car and the "stolen" gun. I had a receipt for the gun as I had just purchased it brand new that day. After they felt they had sufficiently humiliated me they left. Next Day I call the department and their lieutenant informs me that "neither he nor his officers respond to allegations like that." I say fine I'll just go up the chain of command and then I get the standard "better think twice about what you are doing boy. I'll fix it so you can never drive through my town again boy. I just dropped it because nothing would be done about it anyway.
 
The other was on an EMS call. We get toned out for a disoriented and combative person. Cops get there first and the little piss ant decided the person was just drunk and disorderly and denied us access to the person. I could smell the person's fruity breath. I try to reason with the little piss ant and he just shouts me down. Finally an officer with a little sense shows up and we get to look at the person. Turns out it wasn't drunk and disorderly it was just diabetic ketoacidosis. No big deal.
 
Not every cop is bad but their numbers are defiantly proliferating.

[ironglow]

While i am in no way excusing what appears to be unnecessary shooting of a pet dog, I do speak up in defense of "balance'..eschewing the "broad brush" approach..
   While I have lived long enough to have learned that police like anyone else have "good' apples and "bad' apples in their ranks, I have also lived long enough to know that unreasonable anger at LEOs is often the result of the constant complainer having run afoul of the law or has righteously served time!  I have 2 nephews who are guards at Attica..they tell me many of the career criminals hate LEOs...and nearly all of them are "innocent"..having been "framed"..
  Trying to provide balance I say, for each obviously negative story, there is a positive one...or two...or three;
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hero-boston-saves-drowning-woman-article-1.1226306
 
  BTW:   I could be very angry at a state trooper I met last week.  He gave me a speeding ticket..first one in..must be over 30 years.
  Doggone it, he was also hiding behind a big snowbank..but I'm a big boy..I was going over the speed limit!   
      So as a man,  I have to admit to myself, my culpability..
 

[reliquary]

lakota:  next time, try the old "hidden videocamera trick" and send a copy of it to a civil rights organization.
 
IG:  I worked for 5 years in the military/federal corrections system and only met one truly guilty person.  He later got a full pardon and became a prison minister.

[yellowtail3]

THAT COP  WILL KILL  SOME ONE  SOME DAY

You got that right. There are countless photos in the archives of history of his type shooting unarmed people who were forced to kneel in the backs of their heads and then kicking their bodies into mass graves.

Yep.

Not every cop is bad but their numbers are defiantly proliferating.

I agree with Lakota

Cops Gone Wild: Why do Cops like to shoot dogs...?

Because they're allowed leeway to do all kinds of things that would get normal folks thrown in jail, or shot

[animal]

I can't believe anyone could shoot my dog.
 
 
 

[coyotejoe]

No, they probably don't shoot well enough to hit that one, they'd just stop it flat.

[reliquary]

TM7:   BS.  Your title for this thread no more implies the word "some" than would this title..."Muslims gone wild:  Why do Muslims like to decapitate Christians and Jews...?"  You continue to post generalities without any proof, accusations without evidence, and coincidences that mean nothing.  Once again, I ask you to show some actual proof rather than meaningless generalities and wild accusations. 
 
IIRC, there was a discussion somewhere on GB in the last year or so about "police brutality" or "cops misbehaving", which degenerated into the level of discussion that this one is going to...the publications one sees in the checkout lines at the store.
 
FWIW, I have searched Google records for the last few days and found anecdotes but no actual data.  One group called the National Canine Research Council has alleged some numbers ("hundreds...perhaps thousands nationwide") of shootings and I have emailed both them and the national ASPCA to see if there are any actual studies on police shooting dogs.  No responses yet, except to acknowledge the emails.  If/when they do post something, I'll link to it here. 
 
I've also talked with/emailed a couple of the larger PDs that I have contacts with and asked them if the have any stats on dog-shootings...they don't.  They record the number of shooting incidents, but not the details. 
 
Again, I post the challenge to those on this forum...post links that back up your assertions...surely, it there is a nationwide epidemic of police brutality against harmelss dogs, some group like PETA or the ASPCA or Hollywood personalities in search of a cause would be making national headlines.  Any takers?
 
Mikey:  have you found those link to "police ripping puppies out of the arms of children and stomping them to death in front of the child?"    Still waiting...

[45-70.gov]

why  do muslims  chop  off heads  and throw acid in a womans face??

[ironglow]

I saw it as a generality also..  Much like;
 1)  Christians try to shove their religion down our throats!  (actually liberals like the OWS gang are more like that)
 
 2) Muslims like to behead people!  (Not really, people like Dr Zhudi Jasser and Malala Yousafzai would like to live their faith quietly)
 
 3) All horses run away with their wagons!   (A very few do)
 
 4) Deer fall in their tracks when shot!        (we know better)
 
 
       And the #1 winner is...
 
 4) "Our military doesn't use horses or bayonets!"  (We know better than that too)

[Couger]

I can't believe anyone could shoot my dog.

DON'T KID YOURSELF!
 
 
In the long line of "police" [jack booted THUGS!] killing harmless dogs ...... 3 or 4 years ago I saw a clip on TV or UTube when a "tough" cop killed a TOY miniture poodle!  (about the size of a standard Chiwawa (sp?))
 
The little dog was frightened, and somehow had gotten out of its home (in a trailor park) when the owner left (for work?  on an errand?  looking for the lost dog?, etc.)
 
Dog was smart enough to know its home, porch and front door!  And sat there waiting for its master/family to come home.  Not bothering ANYONE!   
 
F*kk*n cop (was not a rookie, much older and experienced actually) still had to "capture" and manhandle the dog!  (and anyone with half a brain knows such animals react to strangers, often biting them - some as would any other animal "wild" or otherwise when it feels threatened.  What else does a "dumb" animal do?  Unless left alone, which the stoopid, and egocentric cop couldn't resist not doing!).
 
Damm cop got pissed as the dog screamed and strugged in his hands, threw the dog on the ground, THEN drew his gun and shot it 3 or 4 times. 
 
Never mind that the dog was unhurt after being thrown on concrete (waist or chest high on the cop).  The dog immediately tried running back to its to its porch and front door!
 
Too bad the owner didn't hunt down the "to protect and serve" cop!  But she was an elderly lady and probably a widow. (what the hell! he!, he!, he!)
 
My gravest concern about these out-of-control cops and their depeartments and fellow "cops" is how they lie and cheat covering each others' mistakes, wrong-doings and CRIMES!
 
I fear cops for that very reason!  (not that I commit crimes, and have never been arrested in my more than 50 years).
 
This country is FAR FAR different than my grade school days (in 1967-68 specifically) when ossifer freindly would visit my fourth or fifth grades.
 
The cops are "here to protect us?"  BOOLCHIT! 

[yellowtail3]

The point remains:  not all cops are bad. To tar them all with the same brush is misleading and inappropriate.

I agree with reliquary.


On the other hand... police get leeway to do all kinds of things that would get us thrown into jail, or shot. Example: I see someone whom I think of an an enemy of mine in traffic. If I unlimber my AK clone and blast holes in their pickup, I'm going to jail. I'm going to be in even deeper, if it was some poor surfer driving home. LAPD gets away with an apology and maybe paying for some bodywork.


how much would I have to 'pay'?

[reliquary]

TM7:  thanks for the links to the articles.  I saw the one by the ASPCA...full of unsubstantiated generalities and agenda-driven drivel, which is why I wrote them to get some specifics.  The one at "careercop" only posts anecdotes which promote his attempt at a sales pitch for his products & services. 
 
 Your attempt at ridiculing is as shallow and pathetic as the general run of your posts.  If meaningful statistics are so rare, why do you insist that there is a problem?  Oh...I know...the lack of meaningful statistics means that there must be some vast conspiracy...
 
I told you that I'm looking for some realistic numbers rather than anecdotal character assassinations and agenda-driven BS.   BTW, I'm glad you learned a new word...cynophobia...but my 18-lb Maltipoo disagrees with you. 
 
I saw an article once that linked Hitler and his pervets and goon squads...SD, SS, Gestapo, the death camp staff...to a fixation with swords and lightning bolts.   
 
 

[reliquary]

I'm trying to link to a DOJ publication entitled "The Problem of Dog-Related Incidents and Encounters", which is the only "official" study I've found from a reasonably objective standpoint.  It's embedded within an Seattle newspaper article.  I don't know how to do multiple link-postings and will have to work on this for a few minutes.
 
http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2012/12/01/2019809760.pdf
 
Here is the link to the newspaper article itself:  http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019809359_rosie02m.html
 
TM7:  I can live with whatever the truth comes out to be, and am searching for it.  You keep posting anecdotes and making generalities from them, and getting further from reality with each posting.  If there is an epidemic, show it. 
 
I can't answer your question that begins with "BTW"...I've never shot a citizen's dog without provocation, and I don't know what would happen if you shot a police dog.  But you probaby wouldn't get "the chair"...unless teacher put you in timeout for daydreaming in class.  I don't know of a court that gives "the chair" any more.
 
What do you mean by "walk away indemnified"?  That word doesn't make sense in the way you use it.
 
What do you mean by "stat game and PD memory hole tactics"?  Is that somehow connected with my requests that you document your fantasies assertions?

[FPH]

http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/12/aspca-most-instances-of-police-shooting-dogs-are-avoidable/  Some interesting numbers and info.......not quite what I would call scientific........but I can't find any from either side.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/publications/2089407320_The%20Problem%20of%20Dog-Related%20Incidents%20and%20Encounters_NCRC.pdf

[reliquary]

TM7:
Today, I heard from the National Canine Research Council, concerning my email to them asking for "firm numbers" on police shootings of dogs.  Their response, summarized:  "We've only been tracking this question for less than a year now and we have identified a total of 275 incidents nationwide.  We don't have any numbers as to how many of them were justified.  We co-authored a study: 'The Problem of Dog-Related Incidents and Encounters' with the DOJ, for a discussion of the problem." 
 
I linked to the study in a previous post, embedded in a Seattle newspaper article.
 
So, 275 incidents nationwide, unknown number justified or unjustified...data maintained by doggie people...800,000 cops in the USA (latest Google estimate)...comes out to .034% of cops shot dogs last year.  Still no data on whether any of them "liked it"...really doesn't look like much of an epidemic.  Please post whatever data your Internet Paranoiac Association finds, though.
 
Heck, "Citizens" murdered over 500 other "Citizens" in Chicago in 2012...perhaps we should be more concerned about things like that?